A Tsunami Isn’t “Coming.” It’s Here

 

It’s probably unfair, even inaccurate, to describe current political trends in the US as a “tsunami” unless of course, you’re a self-proclaimed “progressive” Democrat. Tsunamis are large and highly destructive ocean waves, often caused by underwater earthquakes or volcanic disruptions. Nobody asks for nor wants to experience one, perhaps unless you’re the actual tsunami. Politically speaking, of course.

In the minds of many Americans, the coming tsunami isn’t destructive at all, despite media attempts to portray it as such. It’s restorative. And there is plenty of evidence that Democrats asked for it, starting with the consequences of an open southern border, rising crime rates amidst soft-on-crime and defund-the-police strategies, weakness abroad, lingering COVID mandates, teacher unions prioritized over students, and raging inflation at home.

Except the tsunami is underway. There’s no stopping it now.

Elections and voter registration trends in places like Pennsylvania and North Carolina – which have open gubernatorial and US Senate races this fall – portend a large political realignment in Congress and local and judicial races. Talk about “climate change.”

Reuters:

Republicans are registering formerly Democratic voters at four times the rate that Democrats are making the reverse conversion in the battleground state of Pennsylvania, a warning sign for Democrats as they try to keep control of the U.S. Congress.

The Republican gains in Pennsylvania, home to a critical U.S. Senate race, follow a pattern seen in other states that could have competitive contests in November’s elections, as high levels of disapproval with President Joe Biden’s handling of his job are helping narrow the long-held advantage held by Democrats in numbers of registered voters. . .

In North Carolina, where a tight Senate race is expected due to the retirement of Republican Senator Richard Burr, Republicans so far this year have picked up three Democratic converts for every voter that Democrats have poached, according to state election board data. Throughout 2021, the Republican advantage was about half that.

In Florida and Nevada, the numbers of registered Republicans rose in the first few months of the year while the ranks of Democrats declined modestly.

 

Reuters graphic

Meanwhile, as reported by the conservative website uncoverdc.com, several local elections saw seats flip from Democratic to Republican. Even in so-called “nonpartisan” local races, such as Norman, Oklahoma’s runoff mayoral election, policies associated with Democrats – like defunding the police – resulted in upsets. Norman is home to the University of Oklahoma, the Sooner State’s third-largest city with a population of about 128,000, and one of more Democratic-friendly areas there. It is the original hometown of US Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), but don’t blame them for that. Uncoverdc.com:

…former Norman Safety Manager Larry Heikkila “won the Norman mayoral seat in the Tuesday night runoff election over incumbent Breea Clark.” According to unofficial results, he won over 53 percent of the vote. In the Feb. 8 election, he received about 36 percent of the votes, with Clark receiving 32 percent. The win is significant because it represents a sea of change in politics for the city because of calls to defund the police amid rising crime rates. Two years ago, Democrats controlled city council seats and the mayor’s office. Now the democrats hold a “small majority” and lost the mayoral seat. Heikkila says he is not a “career politician.”

School board seats also flipped. Again, uncoverdc.com:

In Springfield, MO., two anti-CRT (critical race theory) candidates unseated incumbents. Kelli Byrne and Steve Mikoski were both opposed by the teacher’s union and the local chamber of commerce. Two conservatives won school board seats in the Rockwood school district, St. Louis County’s largest public school system serving over 22,000 students. Izzy Imig and Jessica Laurent Clark won with support from conservative groups like Moms for Liberty.

Katie Lyczak also won a seat in the Wentzville school district. The district is West of St. Louis and serves about 17,000 students. The Lee’s Summit Missouri school board also racked up two conservative seats. “Anti-CRT moms” Heather Eslick and Jennifer Foley won seats.

And a judicial race in Wisconsin joined the fun. As reported by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

With support from free-spending conservative groups and endorsements from major Republicans, Waukesha County Judge Maria Lazar easily defeated incumbent Judge Lori Kornblum for a seat on the Court of Appeals for District II.

Kornblum, 65, a former Milwaukee County prosecutor living in Mequon, was appointed to the Waukesha-based seat last year and began work there in January. Lazar, 58, of Brookfield, had announced last year she would seek the job via election. She was elected to the circuit court in 2015, after five years at the state Department of Justice and 20 years in private practice.

Lazar took 158,290 votes, to Kornblum’s 131,863, good for a 55% to 45% margin of victory, according to complete unofficial results. 

Lazar’s win was the second time in two years a conservative-backed challenger defeated an incumbent appellate judge appointed by Gov. Tony Evers, a Democrat. Last year, Shelley Grogan, a law clerk to conservative Supreme Court Justice Rebecca Bradley, beat Jeffrey Davis, who represented corporate clients at a major law firm and had served on the Court of Appeals for nearly two years.

Southeast Wisconsin – usually reliably or leaning Democratic territory – may be the week’s story. Republicans flipped County Executive posts in Democratic Portage and, for the first time, Kenosha County. And more.

Of course, the tsunami became evident last November in Virginia, with the GOP wins of the state’s top three elected officials – Governor Glenn Youngkin, Lt. Gov. Winsome Earle Sears, and Attorney General Jason Miyares – along with capturing a majority in the House of Delegates.

The tsunami shows no sign of abating. In fact, it appears to be growing.

Climb aboard, hoist the sail, catch the wind, and enjoy the ride.

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  1. Raxxalan Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    • Do nothing i.e. don’t vote – If enough people do this Democrats win. Country goes to hell in a handbasket.
    • Vote 3rd Party (effectively the same as 1)
    • Vote Democrat – Definitely Spites the Republicans and the Country still goes to hell in a handbasket.
    • Vote Republican – Democrats lose and we have a chance of keeping the Country from going to hell. Even if it does go to hell probably no handbasket.

    You cannot ignore that when the Republicans won in 2000, 2002, 2004, 2008, 2010, 2014, and 2016 they spent most of their time and effort in Congress helping the Democrats weave that handbasket.

    Touche

    • #91
  2. Flicker Coolidge
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    Aside from the question of whether it’s better for Republicans to prolong the death of the painfully dying person, my question with this article is whether elections will ever represent the voters’ choices again.

    It’s been said that if we vote harder and get a victory of 20% the election can’t be stolen.  They seem to have optimistically pulled that number out of thin air.  But it’s also been said that Trump either won by 7 million votes or even 14 million.  If true, then his margin of victory was between 10 and 20%.

    Meanwhile, those who fortified the election and counted the votes are steaming ahead, undeterred and now more practiced.  And further it appears to me that unregulated and unverified voting (ballot drop boxes) has not only been unchecked by state governments, even Republican ones, but that it’s being approved in more and more states.

    I may be too pessimistic to see the improvement in election integrity.  Does anyone have an update on what has been definitively done to restore it?

     

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  3. Dotorimuk Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Dotorimuk (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I think that you are right, a tsunami is coming. “Biden Republicans” gave Biden a chance based upon his promise to govern as a moderate. About the only thing Biden has done right is to stand up to Putin in Ukraine. Otherwise, he has been a total mess.

    I think that the next huge strike against Biden will be on the border. Trump was able to justify his “Stay in Mexico” policy for refugees on Title 42 on the pandemic. Well, the pandemic is essentially over (We have .1% getting Covid in Coconino County, down from 10% over five weeks earlier this year.)

    There is a place for a Refugee Program. I think that it was proper to open our doors after Viet Nam fell in 1975 to the South Vietnamese Boat People. I would add the Hungarians after the 1956 revolt and Cubans since Fidel. Looking forward, I see a place for people who live in Hong Kong. I would be open to Ukrainians. But the purpose of the Refugee Program was never to admit economic immigrants, something that liberals just don’t understand.

    We need a huge overhaul of our laws on refugees. It appears to me that by statute, once the Title 42 option is no longer in effect, an ICE officer has only two options when a person says the magic words: take the person into custody, or release them into the United States pending a hearing which the alleged “refugee” will likely never attend.

    There are solutions. First, build large detention sites, with less security than jails. (At any time a “refugee” is willing to “stay in Mexico,” send them back, pending their hearing.) Second, have universal ID cards needed to be employed and enforce the law on employers. Third, have a “guest worker” program where the employer must have already purchased the “return trip” ticket” as a precondition to admission.

    But the best solution is this: Change the doggone statute! Enact by statute the “remain in Mexico” provisions. Yes, it will be hard to get through the Senate with the filibuster. But this is not an impossible task. I think that we could win Sinema, Manchin and Tester. (Biden lost West Virginia and Montana by a lot, and won Arizona only by .3%) If we have a tsunami, this would be in reach. At a minimum, include it as a rider to budget bills, in that economic refugees are very expensive to admit. If we would be willing to cut a break to the “dreamers,” but not their parents, the deal could be there. In the interim, build large detention sites, have universal ID card and a guest worker program.

    The border issue is going to crush the Democrats. The words “Abolish ICE” will be famous last words, akin to “Defund the Police,” and “What are your pronouns?” Your Father’s Democrats woul

    That doesn’t equal a promise to govern like a moderate.

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  4. Tyrion Lannister Inactive
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    In the midst of this, let’s give Glenn Youngkin credit for not turning out to be a DIABLO and actually following through on his campaign promises. (And remember some people saying he was too Trumpy). This is the way. If you want to regain trust, this is they way.

    And at the same time, let’s Remember that Mitt Romney and Spencer Cox are absolutely DIABLOs and there are far too many like them in the current GOP.

    I agree about Romney and Cox.  Utah needs to get their act together- they are a deep red state and have squishes running their government.  They can afford to go hard conservative.  

    I would draw the line at running people like Collins out.  I don’t like her – I like Romney much more- but Romney is wasting a safe seat and Collins is stealing a lib seat.  Romney should move to MA and take a lib seat there- he’d be much more popular in the Republican party if he did that.  

     

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  5. Clifford A. Brown Member
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    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    I have no faith that Republicans winning in the fall will change our nation’s trajectory.

    Exactly! When the GOP moves from talking to action I’ll believe it. It is going to take a *lot* of corrective action to make up the Romney-Ryan party “leadership”.

    It is going to take determination by each and every one of us, right now, during the primary season, to compel the senators and representatives to replace the Lyin’ Ryan, Misleading McCarthy, Mendacious McConnell leadership. 

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  6. The Reticulator Member
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    Raxxalan (View Comment):
     If what you mean is we need to crash the car, have the whole thing collapse and rebuild everything from scratch, that is a very dangerous road to go down.  There is no guarantee that the rebuilding will go along lines you would like. 

    Yes, but you can’t make an omelet without breaking some eggs. (I heard that somewhere.)

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):
    If what you mean is we need to crash the car, have the whole thing collapse and rebuild everything from scratch, that is a very dangerous road to go down. There is no guarantee that the rebuilding will go along lines you would like.

    Yes, but you can’t make an omelet without breaking some eggs. (I heard that somewhere.)

    Maybe Putin?  :-)

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  8. Clifford A. Brown Member
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    Raxxalan (View Comment):
    The only way to confront Democrats is for them to lose and in the two party system we have that means Republicans have to win. 

    No. The RepubliCAN’T leadership in Congress has demonstrated they absolutely will not actually confound Democrats, only strike poses on video to generate more campaign contributions and set up their next lucrative career after Congress. We all know we will see, at most, Obamacare “battle” 2.0. The only way to actually confound and begin to reverse the Democrats’ agenda is to make winning the primaries this year contingent on a pledge to remove McConnell and McCarthy. Doing so burns the candidates’ boats on the shore now  and so provides the only realistic assurance of any real change resulting from our votes in November. 

    AND.

    The McCarthy/McConnell party, if allowed to continue on its decades long arc, is nearing a critical point. A McCarthy/McConnell agenda over the next two elections will result in the Republican Party going the way of the Whigs, becoming the irrelevant 3rd party, and a new major party replacing the GOP by the 2028 presidential election.

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  9. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):
    The McCarthy/McConnell party, if allowed to continue on its decades long arc, is nearing a critical point. A McCarthy/McConnell agenda over the next two elections will result in the Republican Party going the way of the Whigs, becoming the irrelevant 3rd party, and a new major party replacing the GOP by the 2028 presidential election.

    If we start now, we can have one ready by 2024.

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  10. Henry Racette Member
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    A necessary precondition of winning is surviving.

    Nominate the best Republican candidates we can. Then, whoever they are, elect them.

    Because there’s a real, existential danger to unchecked Democratic rule. They are willing to burn down our institutions to secure their positions, and they can’t be left in a position to do that.

    So Republicans have to win. Do the things that will help to achieve that.

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  11. Mark Camp Member
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    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    Tyrion Lannister (View Comment):
    The reality is the Republican Party as-imperfect as it is- is the only option in a binary choice that advances at least some of what conservatives purport to prefer. I felt that voting against Trump was a vote to cut my nose to spite my face. I voted for him with caution in 2016, and enthusiastically in 2020 because he actually governed much as a strong conservative would (given his record I didn’t think that would happen).

    I sat out 2016. Trump was never really in danger of loosing my state and I expected him to be democrat lite. He exceeded my expectations policy wise; however, I felt he made many poor moves stylistically. I agree I voted for him enthusiastically in 2020. He was the first president this century that didn’t start a new military conflict and found a way of engineering major peace deals in the middle east.

    Amazing how much my past actions and the reasons for them agree with some people hereabouts from whom I’ve not much heard previously.

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  12. Gary Robbins Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Well that’s no good, if I’m going to hell I insist on a handbasket!

    We have the best handbaskets! The finest! Everyone says so! You have never seen such fine handbaskets!

    Drew, just when I am tempted to give up on you, you file a brilliant comment like this!

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  13. Gary Robbins Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    In the midst of this, let’s give Glenn Youngkin credit for not turning out to be a DIABLO and actually following through on his campaign promises. (And remember some people saying he was too Trumpy). This is the way. If you want to regain trust, this is they way.

    And at the same time, let’s Remember that Mitt Romney and Spencer Cox are absolutely DIABLOs and there are far too many like them in the current GOP.

    DIABLO?

    • #103
  14. kedavis Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    In the midst of this, let’s give Glenn Youngkin credit for not turning out to be a DIABLO and actually following through on his campaign promises. (And remember some people saying he was too Trumpy). This is the way. If you want to regain trust, this is they way.

    And at the same time, let’s Remember that Mitt Romney and Spencer Cox are absolutely DIABLOs and there are far too many like them in the current GOP.

    DIABLO?

    You’ve missed that on every other thread?

    Democrat In All But Label Only.

    • #104
  15. Gary Robbins Member
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    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    I have no faith that Republicans winning in the fall will change our nation’s trajectory.

    Exactly! When the GOP moves from talking to action I’ll believe it. It is going to take a *lot* of corrective action to make up the Romney-Ryan party “leadership”.

    It is going to take determination by each and every one of us, right now, during the primary season, to compel the senators and representatives to replace the Lyin’ Ryan, Misleading McCarthy, Mendacious McConnell leadership.

    It rhymes nicely, but please explain just how you justify attaching the adjective of “Lying” to Paul Ryan.

    • #105
  16. Gary Robbins Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    In the midst of this, let’s give Glenn Youngkin credit for not turning out to be a DIABLO and actually following through on his campaign promises. (And remember some people saying he was too Trumpy). This is the way. If you want to regain trust, this is they way.

    And at the same time, let’s Remember that Mitt Romney and Spencer Cox are absolutely DIABLOs and there are far too many like them in the current GOP.

    DIABLO?

    You’ve missed that on every other thread?

    Democrat In All But Label Only.

    Please contrast with “RINO.”  

    • #106
  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    In the midst of this, let’s give Glenn Youngkin credit for not turning out to be a DIABLO and actually following through on his campaign promises. (And remember some people saying he was too Trumpy). This is the way. If you want to regain trust, this is they way.

    And at the same time, let’s Remember that Mitt Romney and Spencer Cox are absolutely DIABLOs and there are far too many like them in the current GOP.

    DIABLO?

    You’ve missed that on every other thread?

    Democrat In All But Label Only.

    Please contrast with “RINO.”

    Presumably, they figure DIABLOs are worse.

    • #107
  18. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Your Father’s Democrats would never have been so stupid.

    Will you please wake up? 

    Listen to the Bill Barr interview at 40:00. Keyword “strong arm”. 

    Look at Heath Mayo’s Twitter feed. He sounds like a student council president. He voted for Biden and he doesn’t want to talk about it.

    Everything Moves Towards Communism All Of The Time™

    Everything Moves Left All Of The Time

    • #108
  19. Miffed White Male Member
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    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):
    No. The RepubliCAN’T leadership in Congress has demonstrated they absolutely will not actually confound Democrats, only strike poses on video to generate more campaign contributions and set up their next lucrative career after Congress.

    Supreme Court Justice Merrick Garland begs to differ.

     

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  20. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Also, refusal to participate is a path, albeit an unlikely one, to change. Imagine if someone at the RNC discovered there was a significant number of voters aligned with (ostensible) Republican positions, but who were no longer voting or donating because they had lost faith in the party delivering on its promises.

    Would that not be an incentive for the party to do better?

    Better for whom? That was the Tea Party’s hope. After the GOPe killed it they dined off its remains for quite some time though a variety of grifts that financially enriched them. And got their RINO (or, as some are now putting it, American In Name Only) comrades elected.

    The culmination of the bipartisan collaboration on immigration is the border collapse under Biden. It is is on track to admit 6 million illegals to the USA this year and within three months will include amnesty.

    This means irreversible, existential change. It will destroy the remains of the working class citizenry (a word rapidly becoming obsolete if not functionally meaningless) and further, perhaps irreparably, harm the middle class.

    As Steve Bannon keeps saying, every American town is now a border town.

    One question is whether the  smylers with the knife who took our money and votes and then broke our borders and shipped our manufacturing overseas deserve the Eighth or the Ninth Circle of Dante’s Inferno.

    We “optimistically” thought the Romneys, Ryans, Murkowskis and others shared our principles. They don’t. They will share, though; they’ll take our money and votes as long as we give them and see their election as a “victory.”

    I mean, why should Republicans ever change if they can still win by not changing?

    Good question. So why is there so much opposition to primarying them?

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  21. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Also, refusal to participate is a path, albeit an unlikely one, to change. Imagine if someone at the RNC discovered there was a significant number of voters aligned with (ostensible) Republican positions, but who were no longer voting or donating because they had lost faith in the party delivering on its promises.

    Would that not be an incentive for the party to do better?

    Better for whom? That was the Tea Party’s hope. After the GOPe killed it they dined off its remains for quite some time though a variety of grifts that financially enriched them. And got their RINO (or, as some are now putting it, American In Name Only) comrades elected.

    The culmination of the bipartisan collaboration on immigration is the border collapse under Biden. It is is on track to admit 6 million illegals to the USA this year and within three months will include amnesty.

    This means irreversible, existential change. It will destroy the remains of the working class citizenry (a word rapidly becoming obsolete if not functionally meaningless) and further, perhaps irreparably, harm the middle class.

    As Steve Bannon keeps saying, every American town is now a border town.

    One question is whether the smylers with the knife who took our money and votes and then broke our borders and shipped our manufacturing overseas deserve the Eighth or the Ninth Circle of Dante’s Inferno.

    We “optimistically” thought the Romneys, Ryans, Murkowskis and others shared our principles. They don’t. They will share, though; they’ll take our money and votes as long as we give them and see their election as a “victory.”

    I mean, why should Republicans ever change if they can still win by not changing?

    Good question. So why is there so much opposition to primarying them?

    Perhaps another argument in favor of term limits.

     

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  22. Raxxalan Member
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    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):
    The only way to confront Democrats is for them to lose and in the two party system we have that means Republicans have to win.

    No. The RepubliCAN’T leadership in Congress has demonstrated they absolutely will not actually confound Democrats, only strike poses on video to generate more campaign contributions and set up their next lucrative career after Congress. We all know we will see, at most, Obamacare “battle” 2.0. The only way to actually confound and begin to reverse the Democrats’ agenda is to make winning the primaries this year contingent on a pledge to remove McConnell and McCarthy. Doing so burns the candidates’ boats on the shore now and so provides the only realistic assurance of any real change resulting from our votes in November.

    AND.

    The McCarthy/McConnell party, if allowed to continue on its decades long arc, is nearing a critical point. A McCarthy/McConnell agenda over the next two elections will result in the Republican Party going the way of the Whigs, becoming the irrelevant 3rd party, and a new major party replacing the GOP by the 2028 presidential election.

    If the democrats manage to maintain power in this election it is over.  If they expand their majority in the Senate by even one vote it is likely that they will create two states, pack the supreme court, and make voting fraud the norm.  Once that happens your new party isn’t worth its charter and the only way to get political change will be from the end of a gun.

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  23. Raxxalan Member
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):
    Good question. So why is there so much opposition to primarying them?

    Who is opposed primarying them?

    • #113
  24. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):
    RINO (or, as some are now putting it, American In Name Only)

    I like that.

    • #114
  25. kedavis Coolidge
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Also, refusal to participate is a path, albeit an unlikely one, to change. Imagine if someone at the RNC discovered there was a significant number of voters aligned with (ostensible) Republican positions, but who were no longer voting or donating because they had lost faith in the party delivering on its promises.

    Would that not be an incentive for the party to do better?

    Better for whom? That was the Tea Party’s hope. After the GOPe killed it they dined off its remains for quite some time though a variety of grifts that financially enriched them. And got their RINO (or, as some are now putting it, American In Name Only) comrades elected.

    The culmination of the bipartisan collaboration on immigration is the border collapse under Biden. It is is on track to admit 6 million illegals to the USA this year and within three months will include amnesty.

    This means irreversible, existential change. It will destroy the remains of the working class citizenry (a word rapidly becoming obsolete if not functionally meaningless) and further, perhaps irreparably, harm the middle class.

    As Steve Bannon keeps saying, every American town is now a border town.

    One question is whether the smylers with the knife who took our money and votes and then broke our borders and shipped our manufacturing overseas deserve the Eighth or the Ninth Circle of Dante’s Inferno.

    We “optimistically” thought the Romneys, Ryans, Murkowskis and others shared our principles. They don’t. They will share, though; they’ll take our money and votes as long as we give them and see their election as a “victory.”

    I mean, why should Republicans ever change if they can still win by not changing?

    Good question. So why is there so much opposition to primarying them?

    Perhaps another argument in favor of term limits.

     

    If the chances of getting term limits could ever be less than zero, it’s probably now.

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  26. The Reticulator Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Perhaps another argument in favor of term limits.

     

    If the chances of getting term limits could ever be less than zero, it’s probably now.

    The main obstacle to term limits is term limit advocates.  However, as you point out, there are other obstacles right now, too.

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  27. Raxxalan Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Perhaps another argument in favor of term limits.

     

    If the chances of getting term limits could ever be less than zero, it’s probably now.

    The main obstacle to term limits is term limit advocates. However, as you point out, there are other obstacles right now, too.

    I disagree with you there.  The main obstacle to term limits is self interest.  The people voting for the term limits are the people they would be applied to.  The only way term limits are going to happen is if they are forced on the political class.

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  28. RufusRJones Member
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    Term limits enable the bureaucracy and the lobbyists. It’s been a disaster in California.

    • #118
  29. The Reticulator Member
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    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Perhaps another argument in favor of term limits.

     

    If the chances of getting term limits could ever be less than zero, it’s probably now.

    The main obstacle to term limits is term limit advocates. However, as you point out, there are other obstacles right now, too.

    I disagree with you there. The main obstacle to term limits is self interest. The people voting for the term limits are the people they would be applied to. The only way term limits are going to happen is if they are forced on the political class.

    Problem is, the term limit advocates always insist on such severe term limits that even a huge fan of term limits, such as myself, will not be in favor.   There  isn’t enough support for drastic term limits, and shouldn’t be.    And we don’t need drastic term limits to make a huge difference. 

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  30. The Reticulator Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Term limits enable the bureaucracy and the lobbyists. It’s been a disaster in California.

    Yes, and modest term limits won’t have those problems.  

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