Elon Musk Does More for the Conservative Base Than the Entire Conservative Movement Has for Decades

 

How far will Elon Musk’s 9.2% stake and new board member seat go to changing the policies of censorship and targeted harassment by ultra-powerful and corrupt Silicon Valley companies? Time will tell. It is clear he is interested in stopping the abuse and censorship from very powerful companies against large segments of this population.

It has been years of harassment and mistreatment at the hands of big tech that enjoys exemptions and protections under the law for being platforms. They get every benefit in the book. They aren’t liable for anything because they are platforms. They’ve long since decided not to behave as a platform and behave as editors and publishers by mass censoring and banning anyone that doesn’t hold the correct orthodoxy. All the GOP has done is howl into the wind about it.

State AGs, FCC commissioners and regulators, Governors, Congress, and the White House under Trump did nothing but complain and moan in the face of this abuse of tens of millions of their base. Everyone cried about their exemptions under the law but have done nothing to change the law. They’ve also issued no laws protecting speech online or on any business that presents itself as an open platform, thus holding them to their claim of what they are. The entire conservative movement has failed and done nothing about years of ongoing flagrant abuse.

Then one day Elon Musk starts asking conservatives on Twitter how they’ve been treated. He says that’s not right. And now he has a board seat. More action from one man than the entire GOP apparatus and government. If we get more free speech in this country as a result of this, thank Elon. As usual, the GOP and conservative movement are worth nothing and deliver nothing.

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  1. Front Seat Cat Member
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    @FrontSeatCat

    Elon Musk speaks out a lot and sometimes he sounds good.  However, I take it with a grain of salt.  I am not sure about his agenda just yet……..I say this because he was all onboard for AI and the 4th Industrial Revolution and all the stuff the WEF is touting. I saw him interviewed in various forums saying such.  We’ll see…

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  2. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Much better than being told I should temper my expectations.

    By the way, if thr left controls culture, where are the conservative elites to fight back?

    Oh, sorry, they say it is all my fault for reasons.

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  3. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax)
    @DonG

    Give me $300B and I’ll fix all the things!   Also, just because the left is freaking out, that doesn’t mean Elon is doing something.   Remember, he got rich off government subsidies.

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  4. Hang On Member
    Hang On
    @HangOn

    It’s a bit early, isn’t it? He’s a globalist and the deep state may wind up blackmailing him. 

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  5. E. Kent Golding Member
    E. Kent Golding
    @EKentGolding

    I will give Musk credit for trying to impose Free Speech,  even if he fails.    The problem with Conservatism, Inc.  and the GOP is that they still take their cut of our money if they lose.   Musk is risking his own money.

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  6. Franco Member
    Franco
    @Franco

    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):

    Give me $300B and I’ll fix all the things! Also, just because the left is freaking out, that doesn’t mean Elon is doing something. Remember, he got rich off government subsidies.

    Not true.

    And to whatever extent he prospered personally from government subsidies it was tiny compared to what he’s contributed. If government subsidies always had that kind of effect I’d want more of them. 

    The Democrats don’t like him and have signaled their disapproval by ignoring him when talking about EV’s. If there’s ever been a government subsidy – watch how they are being used to help our pathetic gargantuan auto companies. Watch them try to hamstring Tesla to help their friends in Detroit. Tesla is waaaaaay out in front.

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    Elon Musk speaks out a lot and sometimes he sounds good. However, I take it with a grain of salt. I am not sure about his agenda just yet……..I say this because he was all onboard for AI and the 4th Industrial Revolution and all the stuff the WEF is touting. I saw him interviewed in various forums saying such. We’ll see…

    Yeah, he’s a futurist and we are headed for ‘interesting times’ but AI is inevitable but I don’t see a way to stop it.

    Hang On (View Comment):
    It’s a bit early, isn’t it? He’s a globalist and the deep state may wind up blackmailing him. 

    So far he’s been good at pushing back on blackmail. He pulled up stake in California and moved to Texas.

    Elon does not suffer fools and is all about getting things made and getting them done. To the extent he’s a globalist, he a good one in my book. 

    Yes, he has a big factory in China. Guess what he didn’t do? Allow China to copy his technology what other companies do by rote. And it’s not as though the China factory is exporting cars out side the country as other firms do. It makes sense to produce cars where they are sold since they are so expensive to ship.

    Honestly, the more I learned about Musk the more I liked him.

    As to Twitter, we’ll see. But he’s standing up for free speech and the guy is putting his money where his mouth is. We need more of that!

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  7. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    After the Russians destroyed the Cell Phone towers in Ukraine, Elon Musk opened up Starlink to Ukraine. 

    It appears that he may have cooperated with the Ukrainians accessing the email communications between members of the Russian officers, which led to a drone strike.

    It is great that Elon Musk has his own foreign policy!  It somewhat makes up for the mischief that George Soros has done.   

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  8. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
    Misthiocracy got drunk and
    @Misthiocracy

    GlenEisenhardt: State AGs, FCC commissioners and regulators, Governors, Congress, and the White House under Trump did nothing but bit** and moan in the face of this abuse of 10s of millions of their base. Everyone cried about their exemptions under the law but have done nothing to change the law. They’ve also issued no laws protecting speech online or on any business that presents itself as an open platform, thus holding them to their claim of what they are. The entire conservative movement has failed and done nothing about years of ongoing flagrant abuse. 

    How would you draft a law that takes away Twitter’s ability to moderate user-generated content without taking away Ricochet’s ability to moderate user-generated content?

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  9. GlenEisenhardt Coolidge
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    @GlenEisenhardt

    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    GlenEisenhardt: State AGs, FCC commissioners and regulators, Governors, Congress, and the White House under Trump did nothing but bit** and moan in the face of this abuse of 10s of millions of their base. Everyone cried about their exemptions under the law but have done nothing to change the law. They’ve also issued no laws protecting speech online or on any business that presents itself as an open platform, thus holding them to their claim of what they are. The entire conservative movement has failed and done nothing about years of ongoing flagrant abuse.

    How would you draft a law that takes away Twitter’s ability to moderate user-generated content without taking away Ricochet’s ability to moderate user-generated content?

    Last I checked Ricochet is liable because they openly claim they publish content and have contributors. If ricochet starts broadcasting on their podcasts or website defamation against innocent people, they’re liable. Twitter moderates and yet is held exempt from being liable for anything they moderate or allow. Twitter has had child pornography and all kinds of awful things on their site. They’ve hosted terrorist accounts and ISIS has used them to communicate. Imagine if the same was going on in ricochet. Ricochet would face lawsuits and Twitter doesn’t.

    If Twitter wants their exemptions they need to to stop censoring opinions they don’t like. They censor certain things and Holocaust denial from the account run by the Iranian ayatollah gets kept up. There is no rhyme or reason to twitters edit abilities. So they need to start being held liable. If they want to maintain exemptions that sites like Ricochet and other newspapers and magazines don’t get, then they need to stop the censorship and only police what’s clearly illegal like child pornography and terrorist activity which they currently fail to do. But don’t say a man can’t get pregnant on Twitter. They will ban you for hate speech.

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Elon Musk might be the SINGLE largest shareholder of Twitter, but he’s still “outnumbered” 98% to his 2%.

    If the 98% – or even a portion of them – want Twitter to continue as it has been, Musk can’t stop it.

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  11. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    @SusanQuinn

    Franco (View Comment):
    As to Twitter, we’ll see. But he’s standing up for free speech and the guy is putting his money where his mouth is. We need more of that!

    He doesn’t hide that he’s a liberal either. But I think he’s been consistent on free speech. I like and appreciate him.

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  12. navyjag Coolidge
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    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):

    Give me $300B and I’ll fix all the things! Also, just because the left is freaking out, that doesn’t mean Elon is doing something. Remember, he got rich off government subsidies.

    True Don. But he using some of it reclaim First Amendment rights. Looks right to me. 

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  13. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax)
    @DonG

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):
    As to Twitter, we’ll see. But he’s standing up for free speech and the guy is putting his money where his mouth is. We need more of that!

    He doesn’t hide that he’s a liberal either. But I think he’s been consistent on free speech. I like and appreciate him.

    How are you defining “liberal” here?   That word has evolved a lot.

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  14. Victor Tango Kilo Member
    Victor Tango Kilo
    @VtheK

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    I will give Musk credit for trying to impose Free Speech, even if he fails. The problem with Conservatism, Inc. and the GOP is that they still take their cut of our money if they lose. Musk is risking his own money.

    Exactly this. Kvetch about Musk all you want, but he’s done more favors for conservatives than Conservatism Inc or the Bush GOP ever did. 

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  15. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax)
    @DonG

    Franco (View Comment):

    Remember, he got rich off government subsidies.

    Not true.

    He got rich off PayPal, but he got *RICH* off Tesla. 

    $7500 to the car buyer from Uncle Sam (us) plus $1000 for a home charging station (300K cars/year).  Plus $5B for national charging station network.  Add in $2B/year in regulatory credits.  My city gives $10K for charging stations at businesses.   That is about $6B/year in subsidies.  Tesla profit in 2021 was $5.5B. 

    Biden’s war on energy is a form of a subsidy (worth about $1200/year).   The biggest subsidy is states like California and Washington outlawing the sale and registration of combustion vehicles.  Cha-Ching!

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  16. Retail Lawyer Member
    Retail Lawyer
    @RetailLawyer

    I’m not so hard on “conservative movement” because there are some things done better by private players than legislators.  Writing a law to stop the cancellation of conservatives or the hiding of the Hunter Laptop story, or the hiding of the Covid 19 origination (without ruining the platforms) is not an easy task.  That said, the US government is in thrall to the sector to the extent that we have to rely on the EU to address anti trust and privacy issues.

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  17. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):

    GlenEisenhardt: State AGs, FCC commissioners and regulators, Governors, Congress, and the White House under Trump did nothing but bit** and moan in the face of this abuse of 10s of millions of their base. Everyone cried about their exemptions under the law but have done nothing to change the law. They’ve also issued no laws protecting speech online or on any business that presents itself as an open platform, thus holding them to their claim of what they are. The entire conservative movement has failed and done nothing about years of ongoing flagrant abuse.

    How would you draft a law that takes away Twitter’s ability to moderate user-generated content without taking away Ricochet’s ability to moderate user-generated content?

    Governmental entities have accounts on Twitter.  They should not take part in platforms where legal user-generated content is moderated.

    EDIT: Added the word “legal”

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  18. Susan Quinn Contributor
    Susan Quinn
    @SusanQuinn

    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):
    How are you defining “liberal” here?   That word has evolved a lot.

    From what I’ve heard (although he’s spoken about the WEF), he’s not a Lefty radical. I’m just trying to say we shouldn’t think he’s Conservative.

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  19. Columbo Member
    Columbo
    @Columbo

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Much better than being told I should temper my expectations.

    By the way, if thr left controls culture, where are the conservative elites to fight back?

    Oh, sorry, they say it is all my fault for reasons.

    They are all pretend conservatives.

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  20. iWe Coolidge
    iWe
    @iWe

    Elon Musk has been, on balance, quite excellent.

    He is, nevertheless, a shill for Communist China.

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  21. Al Sparks Thatcher
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    @AlSparks

    GlenEisenhardt (View Comment):
    Last I checked Ricochet is liable because they openly claim they publish content and have contributors.

    Ricochet charges memberships, and spends some of that money moderating posts by members, which is spelled out in their code of conduct.  When a member post gets modified or deleted, there’s a spelled out reason why, going back to that code.

    I understand that they pay some of the contributors to the site.

    Twitter doesn’t charge it’s members anything and doesn’t pay for content.

    If Congress were to rescind the carveout granting social media companies like Facebook and Twitter the ability to capriciously censor how they feel like, called sectioin 230 of the Communications Decency Act, it would not affect Ricochet or sites like it.

    There are calls to modify the law, but the social media sites as they presently stand today are doing more harm than good.  And I’m not just talking about political discussion.  Social media sites are harming teenagers, especially girls.

    The number of girls buying into the quickly developing trans industrial complex is also related to social media they participate in.

    If these sites were subject to individual lawsuits from parents who, for example, had a  girl who committed suicide after being bullied online using their platform, they would have to either drastically change how they do business or go out of business.

    Another example might be a group of people who use a social media platform to gather together to violently demonstrate against a person or business.  It’s hard to sue that group, but easy to sue TikTok.

    Sites with Ricochet’s business model would probably thrive without section 230.

    There are no solutions, only tradeoffs.  Losing free for all discussion sites (that are becoming selective in the free for all) would mean more good than harm.

    And being so blunt – instead of modifying section 230 with some sort of regulatory apparatus – has the advantage of lowering the risk of it being taken control of by the progressives, who have shown to be much better at that than conservatives.

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  22. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Al Sparks (View Comment):
    When a member post gets modified or deleted, there’s a spelled out reason why, going back to that code.

    Except when there isn’t.  Ask many of the people who have had posts promoted to the Main Feed, with edits made that are never justified or even specified.

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  23. GlenEisenhardt Coolidge
    GlenEisenhardt
    @GlenEisenhardt

    Al Sparks (View Comment):
    Twitter doesn’t charge it’s members anything and doesn’t pay for content.

    Twitter charges by taking people’s data and selling it to advertisers and other people and companies using their platform for profit. If ricochet wants to ban me they can but they have to stop taking my money from my bank account and if need be refund me for a service I didn’t get for a full month despite being charged. Twitter as far as I know never deletes or stop using data. They took my payment which was my data and in exchange they deliver the service. I think many peoples data are still being recycled by Twitter and sold. I have no reason to believe it isn’t. They get all your data and keep it. If they want to keep it and keep using it then they need to keep service going. Many of these big tech companies operate this way. And they continue to sell to market research firms and advertising and statistics operations long after people have been denied service. It should cost Twitter to ban people. Just like it costs any company to refuse your business. As far as I know they pay no cost. And no one bans more people than big tech. The average business anywhere isn’t telling half their customers they’re not welcome. Only big tech does this. 

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  24. navyjag Coolidge
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    @navyjag

    iWe (View Comment):

    Elon Musk has been, on balance, quite excellent.

    He is, nevertheless, a shill for Communist China.

    Compared to Apple, the NBA, Hunter and the “Big Guy”?

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  25. Henry Racette Member
    Henry Racette
    @HenryRacette

    Always good to see the usual anti-GOP rant. The last thing we need is constructive feedback and unity on the right.

    I’m glad Musk took a big stake in Twitter. What comes of it is, as you point out, yet to be seen, so your “he’s done more than…” blather is just that. But I also hope for good things.

    In the meantime, keep the anti-Republican hyperbole coming. November isn’t a shoo-in, so whatever you can do to weaken the enthusiasm and resolve of the only party standing between Democrats and America is, you know, helpful.

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  26. navyjag Coolidge
    navyjag
    @navyjag

    Good one Henry.  But moderates in California, especially the Asians, are getting fired up.  They will be the biggest factor if we get the Commie DA out in a June recall election and things will be looking better. Have no idea what role, if any, Twitter will play. But  if Elon looking over the the idiot commentators maybe it will work out. 

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Always good to see the usual anti-GOP rant. The last thing we need is constructive feedback and unity on the right.

    I’m glad Musk took a big stake in Twitter. What comes of it is, as you point out, yet to be seen, so your “he’s done more than…” blather is just that. But I also hope for good things.

    In the meantime, keep the anti-Republican hyperbole coming. November isn’t a shoo-in, so whatever you can do to weaken the enthusiasm and resolve of the only party standing between Democrats and America is, you know, helpful.

    Well, investing a few billion $ of his own money is already more than the entire conservative movement has done for decades, isn’t it?

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  28. navyjag Coolidge
    navyjag
    @navyjag

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Always good to see the usual anti-GOP rant. The last thing we need is constructive feedback and unity on the right.

    I’m glad Musk took a big stake in Twitter. What comes of it is, as you point out, yet to be seen, so your “he’s done more than…” blather is just that. But I also hope for good things.

    In the meantime, keep the anti-Republican hyperbole coming. November isn’t a shoo-in, so whatever you can do to weaken the enthusiasm and resolve of the only party standing between Democrats and America is, you know, helpful.

    Well, investing a few billion $ of his own money is already more than the entire conservative movement has done for decades, isn’t it?

    No kidding. 

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  29. GlenEisenhardt Coolidge
    GlenEisenhardt
    @GlenEisenhardt

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Always good to see the usual anti-GOP rant. The last thing we need is constructive feedback and unity on the right.

    I’m glad Musk took a big stake in Twitter. What comes of it is, as you point out, yet to be seen, so your “he’s done more than…” blather is just that. But I also hope for good things.

    In the meantime, keep the anti-Republican hyperbole coming. November isn’t a shoo-in, so whatever you can do to weaken the enthusiasm and resolve of the only party standing between Democrats and America is, you know, helpful.

    I think November is a shoo-in. The problem I have is the people who are shooed-in are shooed-in to deliver nothing but trillion dollar deficits and more disheartening of the base that has never failed this party like this party routinely fails them. 

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  30. Marjorie Reynolds Coolidge
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    @MarjorieReynolds

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    Elon Musk speaks out a lot and sometimes he sounds good. However, I take it with a grain of salt. I am not sure about his agenda just yet……..I say this because he was all onboard for AI and the 4th Industrial Revolution and all the stuff the WEF is touting. I saw him interviewed in various forums saying such. We’ll see…

    His awful taste in women and giving his son that stupid name makes me think less of him but we’ll see.

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