Logic 101: Birds and Bees Edition

 

If homosexuality means being attracted to members of one’s own sex, then the following two statements can not both be true — however much each is seen as gospel by our progressive friends.

  1. Being homosexual is not a preference, but rather an orientation — that is, not a choice, but simply how someone is born.
  2. Being male or female is a choice, not a matter of birth and biology.

Because, obviously, if the second is true then every homosexual can choose to be a person of the opposite sex and so, voila!, heterosexual.

 

 

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  1. Bob Thompson Member
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    You caught me while I was considering what happens when a trans-female outs as a lesbian. I’m getting more confused everyday.

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  2. Ray Gunner Coolidge
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    Reading trans-logic is like looking at an Escher drawing.

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  3. Kephalithos Member
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    Ray Gunner (View Comment): Reading trans-logic is like looking at an Escher drawing.

    Take, for example, the case of the Wachowski brothers. At some point, they decided to become the Wachowski sisters. Both had married women in the 1990s (these marriages, naturally, ended in divorce), and both have remarried after declaring themselves women. One is now married to a dominatrix, and the other married . . . wait for it . . . a transgender man — that is, a woman.

    So, we have a man who lives as a woman married to a woman who lives as a man, which makes the couple . . . straight?

    Burn it all down. And salt the earth.

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    Henry Racette: our progressive friends.

    I try not to have any “progressive” friends.  Mostly because “progressive” really isn’t, and I can’t stand being around people that stupid.

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  5. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    It seems that a significant number of “LGBs” object to being lumped in with the “T”.

    Here’s an interesting take on the Disney kerfuffle from a gay employee at Disney.

    I Am a Gay Employee at Walt Disney World. Disney Does Not Speak For Me.

     

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  6. DrewInWisconsin, Oik! Member
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    Ray Gunner (View Comment):

    Reading trans-logic is like looking at an Escher drawing.

    I’m recalling an audio drama I was listening to where a character describes herself as “trans” and “non-binary” which is illogical, since to be trans requires acknowledgment of a biological binary. That is to say, one can’t be “trans” and “non-binary.”

    Unless it was a joke, but I don’t think it was. It was intended to strike horror into the heart of the story’s bigoted bad guy.

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  7. Vance Richards Member
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    I think every LGBT activist would explain that the logic is, “do what we tell you or you’re a bigot and a phobe.”

     

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  8. Kephalithos Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Ray Gunner (View Comment):

    Reading trans-logic is like looking at an Escher drawing.

    I’m recalling an audio drama I was listening to where a character describes herself as “trans” and “non-binary” which is illogical, since to be trans requires acknowledgment of a biological binary. That is to say, one can’t be “trans” and “non-binary.”

    Unless it was a joke, but I don’t think it was. It was intended to strike horror into the heart of the story’s bigoted bad guy.

    The daughter of a family friend has declared herself “non-binary” and wants to be called “they.” But she also has a boyfriend. And she also claims to be asexual.

    At this point, the LGBTQIA+2IAQWERTY%3(>™¥¶ stuff isn’t even about sex anymore.

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  9. Jim McConnell Member
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    Henry, you keep trying to bring logic into this discussion. That’s not allowed under the new rules, you know.

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  10. Henry Racette Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Henry Racette: our progressive friends.

    I try not to have any “progressive” friends. Mostly because “progressive” really isn’t, and I can’t stand being around people that stupid.

    A friend to all is a friend to none, as they say.

     But I get along with everyone, including the handful who just can’t stand my politics.

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  11. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    Kephalithos (View Comment):

    Ray Gunner (View Comment): Reading trans-logic is like looking at an Escher drawing.

    Take, for example, the case of the Wachowski brothers. At some point, they decided to become the Wachowski sisters. Both had married women in the 1990s (these marriages, naturally, ended in divorce), and both have remarried after declaring themselves women. One is now married to a dominatrix, and the other married . . . wait for it . . . a transgender man — that is, a woman.

    So, we have a man who lives as a woman married to a woman who lives as a man, which makes the couple . . . straight?

    Burn it all down. And salt the earth.

    I cracked up the other day when I saw on HBO or wherever that they were celebrating Woman Directors month. And they included The Matrix! Hahaha!

     

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  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Henry Racette: our progressive friends.

    I try not to have any “progressive” friends. Mostly because “progressive” really isn’t, and I can’t stand being around people that stupid.

    A friend to all is a friend to none, as they say.

    But I get along with everyone, including the handful who just can’t stand my politics.

    I wouldn’t want to get along with people who presumably vote for people who think it’s a good thing to convince elementary-school children that they (the children) are “trans.”

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  13. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    It seems that a significant number of “LGBs” object to being lumped in with the “T”.

    Here’s an interesting take on the Disney kerfuffle from a gay employee at Disney.

    I Am a Gay Employee at Walt Disney World. Disney Does Not Speak For Me.

     

    I’ve never quite got why “B” is included there either. Bisexual seems to be a whole other class of thing – is there controversy about whether one is “born bi”?

    And all the rest of the letters seem to describe sexual tastes and kinks, certainly not genders.

    Like talking about the MVACfJ community: the Meateater/Vegetarian/Avocado/Corn flakes/Jello community.

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  14. Doug Kimball Thatcher
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    Kephalithos (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik! (View Comment):

    Ray Gunner (View Comment):

    Reading trans-logic is like looking at an Escher drawing.

    I’m recalling an audio drama I was listening to where a character describes herself as “trans” and “non-binary” which is illogical, since to be trans requires acknowledgment of a biological binary. That is to say, one can’t be “trans” and “non-binary.”

    Unless it was a joke, but I don’t think it was. It was intended to strike horror into the heart of the story’s bigoted bad guy.

    The daughter of a family friend has declared herself “non-binary” and wants to be called “they.” But she also has a boyfriend. And she also claims to be asexual.

    At this point, the LGBTQIA+2IAQWERTY%3(>™¥¶ stuff isn’t even about sex anymore.

    I thought that you could not identify as asexual, for females, until after marriage and for males, until over the age of 60.  As for me, I am a post-sexual, for lack of energy mostly.  Besides, I need my sleep, not for beauty, but because I am tired.

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  15. Henry Racette Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Henry Racette: our progressive friends.

    I try not to have any “progressive” friends. Mostly because “progressive” really isn’t, and I can’t stand being around people that stupid.

    A friend to all is a friend to none, as they say.

    But I get along with everyone, including the handful who just can’t stand my politics.

    I wouldn’t want to get along with people who presumably vote for people who think it’s a good thing to convince elementary-school children that they (the children) are “trans.”

    I get your point, and of course I won’t argue against you managing your relationships any way you see fit.

    In my experience, most people are pretty decent — even when they subscribe to views that I think are absurd and even destructive. I’ve known one monster in my life — that is, one person whom I knew to be a monster. I didn’t kill him, and I guess to that the extent we “got along.” But as far as normal people go, it’s pretty easy to get along, particularly if you don’t talk about politics. And, for whatever reason, I rarely find myself talking politics in real life.

    I do think that I’ve influenced some previously left/progressive sorts to be less so. Like to think so, anyway.

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Henry Racette: our progressive friends.

    I try not to have any “progressive” friends. Mostly because “progressive” really isn’t, and I can’t stand being around people that stupid.

    A friend to all is a friend to none, as they say.

    But I get along with everyone, including the handful who just can’t stand my politics.

    I wouldn’t want to get along with people who presumably vote for people who think it’s a good thing to convince elementary-school children that they (the children) are “trans.”

    I get your point, and of course I won’t argue against you managing your relationships any way you see fit.

    In my experience, most people are pretty decent — even when they subscribe to views that I think are absurd and even destructive. I’ve known one monster in my life — that is, one person whom I knew to be a monster. I didn’t kill him, and I guess to that the extent we “got along.” But as far as normal people go, it’s pretty easy to get along, particularly if you don’t talk about politics. And, for whatever reason, I rarely find myself talking politics in real life.

    I do think that I’ve influenced some previously left/progressive sorts to be less so. Like to think so, anyway.

    Maybe.  But if people who know your politics yet see that you’re willing to be “friendly” with them anyway, maybe they take that to mean you don’t really have a problem with what they do and want to do?  I also wouldn’t want to give that impression to people who think or at least vote for people who think that telling elementary school children that they are “trans,” is a good thing.

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  17. Henry Racette Member
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):
    I’ve never quite got why “B” is included there either.

    I’ve got my own theories about L, G, and B. They aren’t popular with most of the people I know, but that doesn’t stop me from repeating it.

    While I guess “gay” refers to both homosexual men and homosexual women, in the popular acronym it refers to homosexual men. I figure that accounts for a small single-digit percentage of all men. Gay men are gay, flat out: heterosexual men don’t have sex with other men, and gay men are rarely in doubt of their sexual orientation.

    Lesbians — gay women — are another matter. I think a substantial proportion of lesbians are bi-sexual. In fact, I think a substantial proportion of heterosexual women are bi-sexual. The cost for a woman in participating in same-sex activities is much lower, in terms of personal identity and social status, than it is for a man. I know a surprising number of women who are at least occasionally bi-sexual, and I’m sure that describes a significant double-digit percentage of the female population.

    So women can be effectively bi-sexual — can swing both ways — while being either heterosexual or homosexual. In fact, there are some amusing surveys that suggest that a significant number of women in same-sex relationships identify as primarily heterosexual, despite having a long-term female partner. Women can do anything. I think it’s great.

    In contrast, a guy who is bi-sexual is gay.

    And the T thing is a crock.

     

     

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  18. Henry Racette Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Maybe.  But if people who know your politics yet see that you’re willing to be “friendly” with them anyway, maybe they take that to mean you don’t really have a problem with what they do and want to do?  I also wouldn’t want to give that impression to people who think or at least vote for people who think that telling elementary school children that they are “trans,” is a good thing.

    You do you, my friend. The world is messy and complicated, full of people with different values and different perspectives.

    I have friends who think climate change is a real crisis, friends who think they should humor their children’s gender fantasies, friends who voted for Bernie, friends who can’t talk about Trump without becoming enraged. I’ve got friends who are flaming queers, quiet lesbians, and at least one who is confused about her own sexual identity.

    I guess I set the bar pretty low. I avoid unkind people, and I don’t like whiners. I’m happy to disagree with people about almost anything.

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  19. kedavis Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Maybe. But if people who know your politics yet see that you’re willing to be “friendly” with them anyway, maybe they take that to mean you don’t really have a problem with what they do and want to do? I also wouldn’t want to give that impression to people who think or at least vote for people who think that telling elementary school children that they are “trans,” is a good thing.

    You do you, my friend. The world is messy and complicated, full of people with different values and different perspectives.

    I have friends who think climate change is a real crisis, friends who think they should humor their children’s gender fantasies, friends who voted for Bernie, friends who can’t talk about Trump without becoming enraged. I’ve got friends who are flaming queers, quiet lesbians, and at least one who is confused about her own sexual identity.

    I guess I set the bar pretty low. I avoid unkind people, and I don’t like whiners. I’m happy to disagree with people about almost anything.

    Fine, but I guess I see it as being maybe at most just one step away from befriending arsonists as long as they restrict their activities to other people and don’t set your personal home or business on fire.  At least not quite yet.  It also sounds like “I’m making a deal so the crocodile (or whatever) will eat me last.”

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  20. Henry Racette Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Maybe. But if people who know your politics yet see that you’re willing to be “friendly” with them anyway, maybe they take that to mean you don’t really have a problem with what they do and want to do? I also wouldn’t want to give that impression to people who think or at least vote for people who think that telling elementary school children that they are “trans,” is a good thing.

    You do you, my friend. The world is messy and complicated, full of people with different values and different perspectives.

    I have friends who think climate change is a real crisis, friends who think they should humor their children’s gender fantasies, friends who voted for Bernie, friends who can’t talk about Trump without becoming enraged. I’ve got friends who are flaming queers, quiet lesbians, and at least one who is confused about her own sexual identity.

    I guess I set the bar pretty low. I avoid unkind people, and I don’t like whiners. I’m happy to disagree with people about almost anything.

    Fine, but I guess I see it as being maybe at most just one step away from befriending arsonists as long as they restrict their activities to other people and don’t set your personal home or business on fire. At least not quite yet. It also sounds like “I’m making a deal so the crocodile (or whatever) will eat me last.”

    Whereas it just sounds, to me, like being an adult about interpersonal relationships. Each his own, buddy.

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  21. E. Kent Golding Member
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    Ray Gunner (View Comment):

    Reading trans-logic is like looking at an Escher drawing.

    I would much rather look at Escher drawings.

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  22. E. Kent Golding Member
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    Let’s Get Biden To Quit.

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  23. Bob Thompson Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Lesbians — gay women — are another matter. I think a substantial proportion of lesbians are bi-sexual. In fact, I think a substantial proportion of heterosexual women are bi-sexual. The cost for a woman in participating in same-sex activities is much lower, in terms of personal identity and social status, than it is for a man. I know a surprising number of women who are at least occasionally bi-sexual, and I’m sure that describes a significant double-digit percentage of the female population.

    I have had this view for many years although my thinking on this has been greatly influence by men’s violence towards women being a major factor in why many women choose the lesbian option. Your view explains why  bi-sexual women can easily choose the Lesbian option if other factors come into play.

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  24. kedavis Coolidge
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Lesbians — gay women — are another matter. I think a substantial proportion of lesbians are bi-sexual. In fact, I think a substantial proportion of heterosexual women are bi-sexual. The cost for a woman in participating in same-sex activities is much lower, in terms of personal identity and social status, than it is for a man. I know a surprising number of women who are at least occasionally bi-sexual, and I’m sure that describes a significant double-digit percentage of the female population.

    I have had this view for many years although my thinking on this has been greatly influence by men’s violence towards women being a major factor in why many women choose the lesbian option. Your view explains why bi-sexual women can easily choose the Lesbian option if other factors come into play.

    I seem to remember reading at some point that same-sex relationships tend to have more violence, and you might think that would mean lesbian/bisexual women might at least feel more evenly-matched than with a man, but women are more likely to use tools/weapons not just their hands…

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  25. Jim McConnell Member
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    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    Let’s Get Biden To Quit.

    No matter how you phrase it, that’s a great idea.

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  26. Bob Thompson Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Lesbians — gay women — are another matter. I think a substantial proportion of lesbians are bi-sexual. In fact, I think a substantial proportion of heterosexual women are bi-sexual. The cost for a woman in participating in same-sex activities is much lower, in terms of personal identity and social status, than it is for a man. I know a surprising number of women who are at least occasionally bi-sexual, and I’m sure that describes a significant double-digit percentage of the female population.

    I have had this view for many years although my thinking on this has been greatly influence by men’s violence towards women being a major factor in why many women choose the lesbian option. Your view explains why bi-sexual women can easily choose the Lesbian option if other factors come into play.

    I seem to remember reading at some point that same-sex relationships tend to have more violence, and you might think that would mean lesbian/bisexual women might at least feel more evenly-matched than with a man, but women are more likely to use tools/weapons not just their hands…

    I think having a reliable source for this is a must since incarcerations and daily news reports of criminal violence would not indicate this is the case. Does the “violence against women’s” legislation we hear so much about reflect this?

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  27. Bob Thompson Member
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    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    Let’s Get Biden To Quit.

    No matter how you phrase it, that’s a great idea.

    That would be no matter how you acronym it.

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  28. kedavis Coolidge
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Lesbians — gay women — are another matter. I think a substantial proportion of lesbians are bi-sexual. In fact, I think a substantial proportion of heterosexual women are bi-sexual. The cost for a woman in participating in same-sex activities is much lower, in terms of personal identity and social status, than it is for a man. I know a surprising number of women who are at least occasionally bi-sexual, and I’m sure that describes a significant double-digit percentage of the female population.

    I have had this view for many years although my thinking on this has been greatly influence by men’s violence towards women being a major factor in why many women choose the lesbian option. Your view explains why bi-sexual women can easily choose the Lesbian option if other factors come into play.

    I seem to remember reading at some point that same-sex relationships tend to have more violence, and you might think that would mean lesbian/bisexual women might at least feel more evenly-matched than with a man, but women are more likely to use tools/weapons not just their hands…

    I think having a reliable source for this is a must since incarcerations and daily news reports of criminal violence would not indicate this is the case. Does the “violence against women’s” legislation we hear so much about reflect this?

    Even if reported, violent women don’t get punished as much as violent men.  It’s hardly a fair system.

     

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  29. GrannyDude Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    The cost for a woman in participating in same-sex activities is much lower, in terms of personal identity and social status, than it is for a man.

     

     

    And not just personal identity and social status, but pregnancy and—how shall I put this? Germs. Women who have sex with women are extremely unlikely to contract a variety of ailments, from bladder infections to AIDS.  

     

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  30. Jim McConnell Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    Let’s Get Biden To Quit.

    No matter how you phrase it, that’s a great idea.

    That would be no matter how you acronym it.

    OK

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