Ricochet is the best place on the internet to discuss the issues of the day, either through commenting on posts or writing your own for our active and dynamic community in a fully moderated environment. In addition, the Ricochet Audio Network offers over 50 original podcasts with new episodes released every day.
Daylight or Standard Time: Pick One, Congress
It’s time for our biannual ritual – moving the clocks forward this time – effective at 2 a.m. on Sunday, March 13th. It was just four months ago that we drove them back. And with it, of course, will come our equally ritualistic grumbling or celebrations, depending on whose side you fall on this centuries-old debate unless you live in most of Arizona, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, or American Samoa. Under the Uniform Time Act, those jurisdictions have exempted themselves from Daylight Savings Time. Our trusty US Department of Transportation regulates the process.
Looks like people prefer Daylight Savings to standard. If they made Savings time permanent, Would Arizona stay on Standard time just to keep messing with the rest of us?
Oh geez, here we go again.
The twice-a-year time change is fine. Leave it as is. A week from now you won’t care anymore. Just like you have been fine since November. The anti-time-switchers are my mortal enemies. They live farther south where the swing is less dramatic, or they live in cities where everything is light all the time anyway. Notice your map. It’s the coasts messing with flyover country again. They want the rest of us to live like them. No thanks. Not interested in sunrise before 4:00 am in the summer, or 9:00 am in the winter. So tired of having to hear these gripes every six months. If it was so awful, the griping would last longer than a few days.
Aside from all that, it’s good for you.
I fully understand why Maine would prefer permanent DST. The sun sets in December in much of Maine before 4PM on standard time. (Actually, the real problem is that Maine would have been better off to be in the Atlantic time zone. But that creates its own problems with neighboring states; there was a proposal for New England states to move to Atlantic time, but that seems improbable.)
Time zones are very large, and the effects of permanent standard or daylight time are quite different from the eastern to the western edge of any of the time zones.
I spent a year in Indiana when they were on year round standard time. I found the extremely early summer sunrises disconcerting.
I prefer permanent daylight time; evening light is much more valuable than early morning light to me.
I live in Arizona. We do not participate in Daylight Savings Time. If you ever visit Phoenix in the summer, you will realize why we don’t want to “save” one second of daylight in the summer.
This is fundamentally a federalism issue. Let each state decide.
I am those people. I speak for those people.
There’s so much anti-clock-swtching propaganda out there, and it’s led by coasties and city-dwellers who live all their lives under electric lights anyway.
We need more people on my side, working to keep things as they are!
Why did it take until 2015? DST has been around for decades. Why is this a sudden, recent issue? Why have we been happily changing our clocks for decades with little complaint, until just the last decade where this has suddenly become a national issue of great importance? (For a couple days every year, after which everyone goes back to living their lives without concern.)
I’m very much afraid you’re tilting at windmills.
All polls suck.
And preach it, Drew.
Can confirm. There were times when I was on the 11PM-7AM shift where I was lucky to see the sun at all. Maybe just the sunrise and a 1/2 hour or so, then if I couldn’t sleep I’d get up at 3Pm and catch the last 30-45 minutes of daylight.
Of course, reverse that in the summer, when sunrise was around 4:40am and sunset around 8:15pm.
What if people just refused to switch. Bring the chaos!
Which, because of Indian reservations, leads to an interesting drive where you’d have to change your clock something like eleven times. Because the Navajos span multiple states, they participate in Daylight Saving Time. The Hopis do not. There are Hopi enclaves in Navajo land and vice versa. Therefore, its possible to drive and bounce between Arizona, Navajo, and Hopi lands.
Well, it gives us something else to argue about, doesn’t it?
I’ve made that trip from Tuba City to Window Rock. Should have been playing the Chicago song “Does Anybody Really Know What Time it Is?” the whole way.
The sun should be roughly overhead at noon. It’s that simple. DST shifts it to 1pm. That’s wrong. The shift to dark mornings is terrible, even if only for a month or so, and we don’t need it still light closing in on 10 pm. In extreme places, like Alaska, it’s expected to have extremes of day length and I happily lived with it. In the lower 48, it’s just dumb to shift. No daylight is being saved; we have the same amount regardless of what the clock says. Unfortunately, too many of us have to live and work by the stupid clock instead of the sun.
Eastport, Maine and Terre Haute, Indiana are both in the eastern time zone. It is impossible for both of them to have the sun overhead at noon EST; they are too far apart.
Added: Solar noon in Eastport on March 8 is 11:39 EST; solar noon in Terre Haute is 1:00PM.
I want to go back to the way it was, but with one change. The April weekend change coincided with the start of Master week and baseball season. That was fine. However, I’d move up the “fall back” portion to the last full weekend of September.
I’m with Gary on this.
And I want GA in permanent DST
I find myself in agreement with DrewInWisconsin on this one. (Stop the presses! AmIRight?)
We’re becoming a country full of people who just can’t live with the hands they’re dealt. Boys want to be girls, girls want to be boys. Everyone wants everything to be safe and guaranteed. Count me among the minority that doesn’t need a trigger warning on his wall clock: I’ll change it twice a year and not whine about the different light the next morning.
I feel the same way about converting to metric: don’t. There’s nothing wrong with life being a little quirky and uneven.
Pet peeve: it’s Daylight Saving Time. As in, it’s intended for saving daylight. “Savings” refers to a bank account.
I know I’m in a very small minority here, but my vote would be for abolishing DST and staying on standard time permanently. The time change is pointless and expensive, so we certainly don’t need that. And if we’re going to standardize on a time, it seems to me that it should be the standard time.
Should we ever standardize on a time, by definition it will be the standard time.
But your comment led to my thinking of time zones, which led to a question about their origin, which led to this: https://www.thoughtco.com/what-are-time-zones-1435358
When I was stationed in northern Maine, we did get one small benefit from the time change. My flight always seemed to have the overnight (11PM-7AM) patrol shift when we changed from Standard Time to Daylight Saving Time. A different flight had the dubious luck of always having the overnight patrol when we returned to Standard Time.
If you live in a northern state, you would have to get up very early in the morning in summer to enjoy a full day of sunshine. Which is about as much trouble as changing the clocks.
Which supports my argument, with the caveat that EST goes too far west. Michigan and Indiana should be in Central. The time zones should center around overhead (aka “high”) noon +/- about 30 minutes. DST is a lie akin to claiming a man in a dress is a woman. Leave the clocks alone and leave the daylight roughly split by noon. How hard is that to understand?
By that reasoning Time Zones are a lie.
So how about we go whole hog and eliminate time zones? Why just mess around with the edges?
Time is just a bourgeois concept.
It just can’t be done with all the other constraints on drawing time zone lines.
You could equally argue, and it has been done, that Maine should be on Atlantic time. But Chicago has more or less the same problem, being at the eastern edge of Central Time; winter sunsets are very early and you have a long dark night ahead of you when the sun goes down.
You should have been around pre-railroads. Every town set its own time by the sun.
That can be dangerous for actors there in MAGA country.
I think we need to just pick a time and stick with it. Things would be so much simpler if it were always 5:17 PM on Thursday.
The stoners and the “It’s five o’clock somewhere” crowd won’t want to sign on to that. Although, if it doesn’t have to be exactly 5:00, they’d buy into your proposal. That way, it’s always five o’clock.