Leftists Used to Be Anti-establishment. Now They Are the Establishment.

 

Joe Rogan and Neil Young have a lot in common. Both were born outside the United States: Young in Toronto, Canada, and Rogan in Newark, New Jersey. Both come from broken homes, raised by mothers who moved around a lot under difficult financial circumstances. Neil Young dropped out of high school, and Joe Rogan dropped out of college, but both have shown an interest in philosophy and politics. They’ve both been very successful in the entertainment industry, and are both now very famous and very wealthy. Like nearly everyone else in that industry, they are both life-long leftists. Both of them voted for Bernie Sanders in the last primary.

Despite all their similarities in backgrounds, careers, accomplishments, and politics, Neil Young so despises Joe Rogan that he refuses to allow his music to be distributed on Spotify unless they drop Mr. Rogan’s podcast: “They can have Rogan or Young, but not both” he has declared in a letter to his management team and record label. One wonders how he generates so much hatred for someone with whom he shares so much in common.

As you might have guessed, what angered Mr. Young was related to the most important political phenomenon of the past 20 years or so: COVID-19. It’s not so much that Mr. Rogan took a different approach toward COVID-19 than Mr. Young did – Young probably doesn’t care what medications other people take. But rather it was that Mr. Rogan had the temerity to allow a physician to come on his show and discuss opinions on this matter with which Mr. Young does not agree. It was the open discussion of ideas that enraged him.

Mr. Young seeks to cancel the exchange of ideas which he does not share and to punish any platform that allows for civil debate between differing viewpoints.

Mr. Young agrees with Mr. Rogan’s politics. That is a very important point.

But he cannot tolerate Mr. Rogan’s tendency to engage in independent thought and to allow others to do the same. If Mr. Rogan had kept his independent thoughts to himself, Mr. Young could probably turn the other way. But when Mr. Rogan came out of the closet as an independent thinker (even though he generally agrees with Mr. Young), that is when Mr. Young felt the need to publicly destroy him.

The fact that this does not shock the media and my leftist friends is terrifying to me. Where is the deafening condemnation from his fellow liberals in the entertainment industry – what happened to “Question Authority?” Where are the screaming headlines from CNN and The New York Times?

’60s ICON PROMOTES FREE LOVE BUT NOT FREE THOUGHT
Neil Young was once anti-establishment. Now he IS the establishment.
And he doesn’t like being questioned.
Fellow ’60s liberals scratching heads at recent tyrannical power play.

Any leftist who doesn’t loudly condemn this sort of thing is telling you all you need to know about their true intentions.

Leftists don’t believe in freedom, open debate, or individual liberties.

If you don’t believe me, go ask Neil Young.

Actually, you don’t have to go ask him. He’s already told you.

You should listen to him.

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  1. Caryn Thatcher
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    @Caryn

    I do hope Spotify told him (and the horse/management company he rode in on) to pound sand.  Or something more colorful.

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  2. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Caryn (View Comment):

    I do hope Spotify told him (and the horse/management company he rode in on) to pound sand. Or something more colorful.

    Joe Rogan generates enormous revenue.  His base is young.  And they spend money, so advertisers like them.  He earns money for Spotify.  Lots and lots of money.

    Neil Young has less influence on modern audiences.  As one clever Tweet explained, “Neil Young’s fans are all dead, so they’re already voting Democrat.”  Or something like that.

    I can’t imagine Spotify will mess with their source of revenue.

    On the other hand, the NFL works hard to alienate a large proportion of its fans.  So does Hollywood.  So do many in the entertainment industry.

    So who knows, I guess…

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  3. Hugh Member
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    hmmm.  Which will win:  the Woke or the $$?

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  4. Percival Thatcher
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    @Percival

    Joe Rogan gets about 11,000,000 listeners per day.

    How many months does it take Neil Young to get that many?

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  5. Bob Thompson Member
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    @BobThompson

    Isn’t Neil Young famous for singing and /or composing music? Is he viewed as accomplished in other fields as well?

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  6. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    Dr. Bastiat: Joe Rogan and Neil Young have a lot in common.  Both were born outside the United States:  Young in Toronto, Canada, and Rogan in Newark, New Jersey.

    Too funny!

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  7. Bob Thompson Member
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    @BobThompson

    Stad (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: Joe Rogan and Neil Young have a lot in common. Both were born outside the United States: Young in Toronto, Canada, and Rogan in Newark, New Jersey.

    Too funny!

    And that’s a lot?

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  8. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: Joe Rogan and Neil Young have a lot in common. Both were born outside the United States: Young in Toronto, Canada, and Rogan in Newark, New Jersey.

    Too funny!

    And that’s a lot?

    Well, no, but the paragraph continues with other things they have in common…

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  9. Michael Brehm Coolidge
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    @MichaelBrehm

    Well I heard Mr. Young sing a ballad
    Well I heard old Neil put it down
    Well I hope Neil Young will remember
    Joe Rogan A southern man don’t need him around anyhow

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  10. Justin Other Lawyer Coolidge
    Justin Other Lawyer
    @DouglasMyers

    As a great philosopher once wrote, I hope Neil Young will remember, a modern music streaming service don’t need him around anyhow.  Or something like that.

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  11. Justin Other Lawyer Coolidge
    Justin Other Lawyer
    @DouglasMyers

    Michael Brehm (View Comment):

    Well I heard Mr. Young sing a ballad
    Well I heard old Neil put it down
    Well I hope Neil Young will remember
    Joe Rogan A southern man don’t need him around anyhow

    Rats!  You beat me to it!

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  12. dajoho Member
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    @dajoho

    Spotify contract Joe at roughly $100 million so…

    Hey, hey, my, my

    Rock and roll can never die

    There’s no more Neil Young

    On Spotify

    Hey hey, my my.

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  13. DonG (CAGW is a hoax) Coolidge
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    @DonG

    Dr. Bastiat: Leftists don’t believe in freedom, open debate, or individual liberties.

    Lefties believe in power and exercising tyranny.  We know that term “liberal” was a lie, just to capture power.   Everything these commies do is a ploy to get more power.  BLM, Covid, equity,…   They are all just ploys.

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  14. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    Hugh (View Comment):

    hmmm. Which will win: the Woke or the $$?

    I hope we all remember that is is not really about the money per se.

    In many cases the money involved is enough to result in companies doing bad for us/good for shareholders. Product despoils the environment or whatever, But profits are up so screw the public. 

    But in this case, the podcasting business, you only do well if you are directly making a product that many many many people evidently want to hear.  Evidently this program makes sense to them, or gives them something to think about. Enough so they tune in to hear more, so they can think about it. This makes the show popular, resulting in profits.

    Who the eff is this guy, who evidently no longer wants to think about things, hear new info about things, and so is stamping his feet like a b**ch and saying “Turn those machines off!”? How is he so sure that his opinion, which generates nothing on this medium, is the only one that should be heard?

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  15. Dotorimuk Coolidge
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    @Dotorimuk

    Neil Young only cares about Neil Young. Ask the Buffalo Springfield guys or the goons in Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young. 

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  16. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    @VtheK

    Apparently, Neil Young gets about six million listens a month on Spotify. For comparison, BTS gets 21 BILLION. 

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  17. Addiction Is A Choice Member
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    @AddictionIsAChoice

    Dr. Bastiat: what happened to “Question Authority“? 

    Just as Covid-19 has shown us that “My Body; My Choice” was a lie, so, too, is “Question Authority.”  Just empty Leftist slogans that have outlived their usefulness.

    “The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.” 

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  18. Vance Richards Member
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    @VanceRichards

    Dr. Bastiat: Where is the deafening condemnation from his fellow liberals in the entertainment industry – what happened to “Question Authority“?  Where are the screaming headlines from CNN and The New York Times?

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  19. Percival Thatcher
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    @Percival

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Apparently, Neil Young gets about six million listens a month on Spotify. For comparison, BTS gets 21 BILLION.

    So the answer to my question is “almost two.”

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  20. TGA Coolidge
    TGA
    @TGA

    I remember hearing some of Young’s songs way back in the last century (70s).  I always thought “Well, that’s interesting.  Someone wrote music to accompany this guy whining.  What else is on?”

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  21. Fritz Coolidge
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    @Fritz

    The Daily Mail reports that Spotify has decided to drop Neil Young’s music from its service, in accordance with his wishes. Heh.

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  22. Franco Member
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    I wouldn’t classify Joe Rogan as a leftist. Yes, he supported Bernie Sanders, and Bernie is a socialist, but Joe’s a pretty independent thinker. He’s not well educated on the abstractions of conservatism.   The Republican brand has been so completely trashed with nary a defense for so long, that guys like Rogan, who is essentially a 60’s Democrat, (which we know is roughly equivalent to today’s far right) can’t bring themselves to vote for one or align with one. Joe is more libertarian. I think if Rand Paul was running against any Democrat, he’d go with Rand.

    Hey, I’m very close to being in the middle of the hippie generation. I protested (more like partied actually) took all the drugs, wore the clothes, went to the concerts (never saw Neil Young) .

    I always kept my rebellious ways and sometime in the early 80’s I was a full blown Reagan supporter and Limbaugh listener. But even in those days I appreciated Pete Townsend for kicking Abbie Hoffman off the microphone at Woodstock. I saw other cracks in the facade of many of these hypocrites back then.

    I remember reading Rolling Stone when it was a newspaper. You yogis, might not know but Rolling Stone was an “underground” newspaper that reported mostly on music that wasn’t mainstream. Now (and for decades) it’s a completely mainstream magazine pedaling soft drinks, Bud Lite, the US Army, Marlboro, Pfizer, H&R Block, Mc Donald’s and every major brand. Pretty soon it will have Geritol and Depends advertisements. Maybe the Depends will have a tie-dye pattern or something so these idiots will think it’s cool to have bladder issues.

    I’ve watched my generation slowly morph into the cartoon above from Vance. There are still many like me. The musicians especially. Neil Young is more a songwriter. He’s exactly the kind of songwriter I envy because when I write a song, I think it’s total crap (and it is) but if you write enough songs some of them have potential. You can’t be too self critical as a songwriter, and Neil isn’t self-critical type. Some of his songs are quite good, but many are bad.

    Neil Young reminds me of his guitar solo on Cinnamon Girl – one note that sounds good through the progression.

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  23. Hoyacon Member
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    @Hoyacon

    No, this isn’t a “brush with greatness.”

    But many years ago, I did ingratiate myself sufficiently with people whose names I no longer remember to be invited to a Young concert and to “hang” backstage.  I remember it well because, after an interaction with the opening act, Chrissie Hynde and the Pretenders (a band I love), I came away thinking she would lose a personality contest to Madame LaFarge.

    So bottom line, Neil–to which he was constantly referred–had “people” upon “people” upon “more people.”  To say he was shielded would be an injustice to the Great Wall of China.

    While some of these artists purport to be conveyors and guardians of “truth” in music, the simple fact is that many are isolated from virtually any consequence of living.  “Neil” can do as he pleases, but it should always have “for what it’s worth” as an addendum.

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  24. Franco Member
    Franco
    @Franco

    This bit of news prompted me to have a new thought. I like new thoughts!

    Neil Young claimed his objection to Rogan was that he was misleading people and possibly causing their deaths as a result,

    Let’s walk this back. Neil Young is famous for having complete contempt for ‘rednecks’ and other neanderthals – especially Republicans, and no doubt Trump supporters. So I’m having a hard time reconciling this boundless compassion for these ignorant people after he’s made a career of disparaging them. 

    White lab-coats and Fauci’s coming

    You thought you were on your own

    You better have pulled your mask up

    The law in Ohio

     

    Gotta get down to it

    the media’s dumbing us down

    started a long time ago

    What if that two weeks was 

    two years all around

    how can you run when when you know 

     

     

     

     

     

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  25. Jim McConnell Member
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: Joe Rogan and Neil Young have a lot in common. Both were born outside the United States: Young in Toronto, Canada, and Rogan in Newark, New Jersey.

    Too funny!

    The Doc has a way of slipping those in, doesn’t he?

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  26. E. Kent Golding Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Isn’t Neil Young famous for singing and /or composing music? Is he viewed as accomplished in other fields as well?

    Some of the music is good,  but not THAT good.    I can go years without listening to Neil Young and not have a problem with it.   His politics and opinions are more annoying than his music is good.

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  27. Dotorimuk Coolidge
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    @Dotorimuk

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Isn’t Neil Young famous for singing and /or composing music? Is he viewed as accomplished in other fields as well?

    Some of the music is good, but not THAT good. I can go years without listening to Neil Young and not have a problem with it. His politics and opinions are more annoying than his music is good.

    And he famously endorsed Reagan back in the day, although consistency has never been his strong point.

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  28. Clifford A. Brown Contributor
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Caryn (View Comment):

    I do hope Spotify told him (and the horse/management company he rode in on) to pound sand. Or something more colorful.

    Joe Rogan generates enormous revenue. His base is young. And they spend money, so advertisers like them. He earns money for Spotify. Lots and lots of money.

    Neil Young has less influence on modern audiences. As one clever Tweet explained, “Neil Young’s fans are all dead, so they’re already voting Democrat.” Or something like that.

    I can’t imagine Spotify will mess with their source of revenue.

    On the other hand, the NFL works hard to alienate a large proportion of its fans. So does Hollywood. So do many in the entertainment industry.

    So who knows, I guess…

    I hope Neal Young will remember,

    Freedom fan don’t need him around anyhow.

    (with apologies to Lynryd SkynyrdSweet Home Alabama“)

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  29. Clifford A. Brown Contributor
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    @CliffordBrown

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Caryn (View Comment):

    I do hope Spotify told him (and the horse/management company he rode in on) to pound sand. Or something more colorful.

    Joe Rogan generates enormous revenue. His base is young. And they spend money, so advertisers like them. He earns money for Spotify. Lots and lots of money.

    Neil Young has less influence on modern audiences. As one clever Tweet explained, “Neil Young’s fans are all dead, so they’re already voting Democrat.” Or something like that.

    I can’t imagine Spotify will mess with their source of revenue.

    On the other hand, the NFL works hard to alienate a large proportion of its fans. So does Hollywood. So do many in the entertainment industry.

    So who knows, I guess…

    Spotify executives have already put down a wokester rebellion inside the company, so do not expect them to try backing out on their multi-million dollar deal with Joe Rogan.

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  30. Goldgeller Member
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    @Goldgeller

    I don’t really have strong opinions on the matter. I am seeing Twitter boost a lot of Neil Young stuff into the timeline that is also very political– “dunks” like: “I’ll take Neil Young over Joe Rogan [or someone else who isn’t Left-wing Approved] any day.” Twitter is so strange how it tries to largely counter-program time-lines. It just feels so inorganic and obvious.

    Regarding Neil Young: Okay. Fine. I guess… I learned to just shrug about the opinions of most people I listen to. He isn’t my favorite but he has done some stuff that I love and think is actually legit incredible so I hope people will listen to him but he’s a dude with an approved, politically safe opinion. That’s basically it, in my book. He tried to go up against Rogan and lost but it gave him a ton of publicity. To me it was a cynical ploy. Everyone wins I guess. 

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