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Defeat the Mandates
There was a well-attended rally on the Washington DC mall against the vaccine mandates this weekend. It featured a nice lineup of speakers, including Dr. Robert Malone, inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology, with the wonderful comedian JP Sears as MC for the event.
Of course, the scant media coverage is desperately trying to call it simply “anti-vax,” which is disappointing but not surprising. A feature for many speakers was the need for freedom in the face of risk, transparency, honest debate, and a commitment to truth, tolerance, and love for people.
I wonder – will we ever again see a press or an online world open to fair debate, honest reporting and dedicated to discerning truth?
Coverage in the MSM is predictable, but I don’t see any coverage at all on Fox News. Did I miss it?
No.
Fox tends to wait until others jump into the pool and make sure the water’s fine before they do.
I could see taking part in such a protest, but not if someone like Malone is given a leadership position. I could march with him, but wouldn’t want him misrepresenting the reasons for opposition to mandates and undermining the cause.
Nice photo, I didn’t realize there was that much standing room capacity on the platform of the Memorial. I attended the event and witnessed the proceedings at ground level on the big screen. The energy and vibe was really good, but the turnout was disappointing.
I disagree with you. Here’s an excerpt from his speech.
https://twitter.com/just___zach/status/1485345169432096769?s=21
The rally was streamed on Gettr. You can view the replay here. Malone’s speech starts at about 1:30. Pierre Kory spoke earlier.
I don’t know anything about him. What is your objection?
Speculation: objection caused by overconsumption of corporate media.
I would wager that my consumption of corporate media is at least 100 times less than yours.
As I’ve said several times before, Malone doesn’t bother me as much as some of the people who cite him as an authority. Malone is in my covid feed on Twitter, and is not 100 percent crazy from the little of it that I’ve seen. But I’ve seen him engage in idle speculation that people take as the gospel truth. It does bother me that he allows himself to be used that way.
As to Richard’s link, I ordinarily delete all e-mails that have the verb “Destroys” in the subject line, as well as a number of other words, such as “Boom,” “Beautiful Russian Women,” and “Insane,” to name a few that I cleaned out just now. But I got over my revulsion and watched the snippet.
Malone said a lot of things that are true, and I liked his statement that, “Where there is risk, there must be choice.” I wish he had elaborated more on that theme, because it needs elaboration. He also said that the vaccines don’t work, which is false. It’s true that they don’t stop some of the specific things he mentioned, but that doesn’t mean they don’t work. He also said that a vaccine against the original sars-cov-2 is not relevant for omicron, and that is false. He should learn a little more immunology. But it’s not relevant to the reasons why we shouldn’t have mandates.
Here’s his whole speech. I think Dr. Malone knows a lot about immunology.
https://rumble.com/vt54k5-robert-malones-full-speech-12322.html
That’s possible since 0/100=0. Is your consumption zero? Otherwise, no. How many hours of Fox do you watch per week?
Nothing in this paragraph is a valid critique of Malone himself. It is still permitted to engage in speculation, idle or otherwise, in some quarters. I’m not quite sure what kind of speculation qualifies as idle but we’ll leave that aside. Speculation is only forbidden on the regime media, where the Overton Window is frighteningly narrow.
As for the gospel truth, Dr. Malone cannot be held responsible for what others make of what he says. He neither “allow” nor prevent others from using what he says, speculative or otherwise. If what “some of the people who cite him as an authority” say bothers you, perhaps your critique is most appropriately directed at those people.
Zero. And I’ll bet my zero is less than your zero.
Evidence-free speculation would qualify.
Of course, I’ve seen some excellent virologists and immunological who know their subjects engage in idle speculation, too. I’ve learned a lot from them and respect their knowledge (unlike with Malone), but wouldn’t go to any political rallies led by them because I disagree with most of their political opinions.
Certainly. But I don’t want to be part of a political rally that features him as a leader.
No
They will never give up their power.
Will someone ever say anything substantive in this banter or are we going to just endure petty bickering about the man without learning anything?
I mandate that public health create a time machine. The second they figured out that the stupid vaccine does absolutely jack for transmission, they then warp speed-ed the new treatment pills.
Now we supposedly have a testing shortage as well. Do these damn tests actually help without some kind of overall plan?
I mandate that these idiots stop throwing spaghetti at the wall and then pretty much babbling in support of that.
I hate all of these people.
Supposedly, global data shows that the only way you take the stress of the medical system is if you get to 90% vaxed. That definitely did not work in certain localities here, but it may work for a whole country. Obviously that is not happening so they should have gotten those damn pills out.
I don’t like listening to political speeches. I gave up on them back during the first Reagan administration. But if he walks back his statement that vaccines don’t work (perhaps by providing more nuance) or that the original vaccine is irrelevant for omicron, then it might be worth listening to. If not, probably not. Can you promise me that it provides more accurate information that corrects the broad statements he made in the snippet? If so, then I’ll listen. If he provides data and cites sources, that would be even better, but that’s probably not the kind of speech he was giving.
I should add that this is why I listen to Vinnie Prasad only sparingly. He, too, is very much against mandates, but he is different from Malone in that he tends to get the science right. But he doesn’t cite sources in detail, though he sometimes gives enough clues so one can find the studies he’s talking about.
How about “they don’t work as intended or as well as they were sold to the public”. Enough nuance? ;-) The point is, some (even the WHO) said early on that “they had no data indicating that the ‘vaccines’ would prevent infection”, yet, nearly everyone in politics and media (even sometimes Biden today!) said “they will keep you from getting the virus”. . . like traditional vaccines do. The confusion sowed was intentional, as was the changing definition of vaccine.
Side note: I don’t believe Dr. Malone “organized” the March in any way, but was just an invited speaker because of his seminal work on mRNA vaccines, and understanding of the risks associated with them.
From the outset, there should have been a 3-pronged approach: Clarification of practical ways to avoid exposure, development/identification of treatments for those that contract the disease, development of a vaccine to prevent contraction of the disease when exposed.
Instead, politics, profit and coercive motives intruded, limiting identification of existing treatments that would have saved many and slowing development of valid treatments. The overwhelming focus on only “vaccines” was an error from the beginning. And the truth of where we stand today is, we have no vaccine that adequately prevents infection, but rather a pretreatment that successfully limits severe illness and death in those infected (most noticeably in those with underlying conditions that make them more susceptible to the infection and severe illness in the first place).
RFK jr.’s comparisons to Nazi Germany were not helpful.
I understand his point about the lawlessness of COVID mandates. I think it is arguable that more than a few people in positions of power and influence would really like this crapfest to be a precedent for replacing checks and balances, due process, and democracy with unfettered bureaucratic rule.
But Kennedy had to know that the MSM will run with that Nazi stuff to argue that anyone who questions any mandate is a nutball. His line about how at least Anne Frank could hide in the attic (unlike us in the coming modern surveillance state) was a disaster.
The actual number and degree of vaccine-caused injuries appear to be low. BUT we no longer have any reason to trust health authorities therefore insinuations of coverup and data manipulation will have considerable resonance.
The FDA essentially fired the panel that would normally be called upon to approve a policy such as vaccinating kids almost certainly because at least half of those qualified experts thought that vaccinating kids was unnecessary and a bad idea.
The FDA, CDC, NAIAD, NIH and HHS have made it pretty clear that once the federal bureaucracy commits to a narrative, they are willing to do and say anything to and about anybody whose free speech threatens that narrative, especially if it is failing. In a society that valued science and ethics would the signers of the eminently reasonable Great Barrington Declaration be trashed and professionally threatened by high-ranking federal health officials? (If RFK jr wanted to look for totalitarian parallels he should have started there.)
I am told that we did not touch all the bases with respect to testing the vaccines before rollout. I don’t know for sure if the process was unlawfully bypassed but I cannot think of any reason to give the feds and Big Pharma the benefit of the doubt if there are credible accusations that corners were cut.
The rally will likely hurt the cause of opposition to mandates just because it was not well-crafted to get past the enemy filters. The other side can yell and emote and be stupid. We can’t. Nor should we want to.
Over the decades, a typical description of a vaccine has been broadened to include new types of vaccines that we didn’t have before, but there is no authoritative definition that results in any fundamental change in our understanding of what a vaccine is and does, or how we should deal with them. And it isn’t relevant to whether or not there should be mandates. which was allegedly the subject of this rally.
The fact that Biden/Fauci are wrong and are still wrong is a good reason to distrust the government/media complex. But none of this is relevant to a) whether or not you would do well to get vaccinated or b) whether we should have mandates, or c) whether Malone should tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. (He’s doing OK on the first of those three, but is sketchy on the 2nd two.)
Probably true. But people who were promoting news about this rally are putting his name front and center. That may not be Malone’s fault. But I am suspicious of people who pollute the anti-mandate issue with bogus information about the vaccines. It makes me wonder whether those people are as anti-mandate as they claim to be, or whether they just want their own mandates.
Fewer than 50% get the flu vaccine and it works really well 9 out of 10 years. That is what everybody was expecting, and public health pitched it that way.
It is absolutely shameful that they didn’t get control of that.
This rally was not a vaccine debate. The protesters held up signs and shouted chants that clearly spoke to the issue of mandates. There were quite a few doctors besides Malone who had an opportunity to speak. Dr. Pierre Kory, Dr. Peter McCullough, and Dr. Marik did not come across as any less credible or authoritative than Dr. Malone. They spoke on the critical care of Covid patients and early treatment protocols. Nobody has commented on this thread about alternatives to vaccines for treating people with Covid. 17000 doctors crying foul is very persuasive. Also, this rally gave a much needed platform for the vaccine injured to speak. Where else were they gonna find support?
As for RFK, he froze his butt off at least like everyone else who showed up.
This rally did not hurt the anti-mandate movement, but poor atendance may have. It burns me to think how many localites skipped the rally to watch football yesterday.
He spoke at the rally and today. He talked about how the CDC is manipulating the data.
So it’s the same old numbers game we’ve been subjected to from the beginning. Shameful.