Will Reporting Election Fraud Become a Crime?

 

Most people know that HR 1 creates enormous new opportunities for Democratic urban machines to cheat.  But even more horrific is that the legislation would also make it almost impossible to challenge even absurdly obvious bogus registrations.  In essence, the bill outlaws investigating and reporting cheating if done by private citizens. 

A massive dump of late bogus registrations cannot be challenged without “personal knowledge.” Systematic research by a team of non-government parties that conclusively proves a registered voter has moved and registered in another state or is deceased that cannot otherwise be supported by a sworn affidavit of “personal knowledge” cannot be accepted and acted upon by authorities.  And the accuser can be fined or jailed if the accusation cannot be verified under the revised rules.

Yes, but do you have direct personal knowledge that Bozo D. Clown, Napoleon Bonaparte, Seymour Butz, and I.B. Peeing do NOT actually reside at 123 Maple?

Unless the state or local election agency itself has both the resources and inclination to investigate a tide of largely bogus last-minute registrations, they would stand.  Post-election cleansing of the voter rolls (a) would not undo the results of the prior election nor (b) prevent a repeat in the following election.  HR 1 is designed to allow Democrats to manufacture enough votes to win jurisdictions that might otherwise be close or go against them.  A repeat of the 2016 election (or something like the Senate election outcomes of 1980) would become impossible.  The margin of fraud that a GOP candidate must overcome would instantly be vastly higher.

That the Democrats would happily wreck the Senate to achieve that state of affairs is who they are.  Unless the GOP sweeps in 2022 into veto-proof majorities, HR 1 would govern elections through 2024.

Democrats in Milwaukee and Philadelphia are already pretty brazen. With mail-ins, harvesting, and barriers against outside investigation, “turnout” could double, even in precincts that already routinely hit or exceed 100%.

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  1. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    We truly do live in a dystopian world, and it keeps getting worse. How is that possible?

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  2. Old Bathos Moderator
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    We truly do live in a dystopian world, and it keeps getting worse. How is that possible?

    Getting worse is kinda the whole point of a dystopian world.  Saving democracy by destroying it.  Colorblind thinking is racism. There are 112 genders and biological sexual identity is an illusion.  We have always been at war with EastAsia.  We never said vaccines will end the spread.  

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  3. Bob Thompson Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    There are 112 genders and biological sexual identity is an illusion

    Only men and women should be granted the privilege of voting.

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  4. Old Bathos Moderator
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    There are 112 genders and biological sexual identity is an illusion

    Only men and women should be granted the privilege of voting.

    Voting is a right, not a privilege.  Should my sometimes identity Louise, a lesbian of color be “privileged” as you put it while my other sometimes identity Raoul, a 26-year old 6’2″ bodybuilder be denied the right to vote?  Their votes would likely cancel each other out (Louise is a total lefty but Raoul is an Ayn Rand devotee) but who is to say that either should be denied access to the ballot?  And if one is required to select a sexual identity on the registration but one’s identity is not on the list of options, then isn’t that a form of voter suppression?

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  5. Jim McConnell Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    There are 112 genders and biological sexual identity is an illusion

    Only men and women should be granted the privilege of voting.

    If you’re bi- or trans-, can you vote twice? (I know, only if you’re a Democrat.)

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  6. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    There are 112 genders and biological sexual identity is an illusion

    Only men and women should be granted the privilege of voting.

    Voting is a right, not a privilege. Should my sometimes identity Louise, a lesbian of color be “privileged” as you put it while my other sometimes identity Raoul, a 26-year old 6’2″ bodybuilder be denied the right to vote? Their votes would likely cancel each other out (Louise is a total lefty but Raoul is an Ayn Rand devotee) but who is to say that either should be denied access to the ballot? And if one is required to select a sexual identity on the registration but one’s identity is not on the list of options, then isn’t that a form of voter suppression?

    Ah, a moment of lightness at such a dismal time is so refreshing!

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  7. Old Bathos Moderator
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    There are 112 genders and biological sexual identity is an illusion

    Only men and women should be granted the privilege of voting.

    Voting is a right, not a privilege. Should my sometimes identity Louise, a lesbian of color be “privileged” as you put it while my other sometimes identity Raoul, a 26-year old 6’2″ bodybuilder be denied the right to vote? Their votes would likely cancel each other out (Louise is a total lefty but Raoul is an Ayn Rand devotee) but who is to say that either should be denied access to the ballot? And if one is required to select a sexual identity on the registration but one’s identity is not on the list of options, then isn’t that a form of voter suppression?

    Ah, a moment of lightness at such a dismal time is so refreshing!

    “Lightness”?! a transparently racist jibe at a moment of intersectional candor?!  Appalling!!

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  8. DonG (CAGW is a hoax) Coolidge
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    I the Dems have proposed that the Electoral Count Act be updated to add a panel of (Dem) judges that will resolve any disputes for any state.   Tyrants!

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  9. Bob Thompson Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    There are 112 genders and biological sexual identity is an illusion

    Only men and women should be granted the privilege of voting.

    Voting is a right, not a privilege. Should my sometimes identity Louise, a lesbian of color be “privileged” as you put it while my other sometimes identity Raoul, a 26-year old 6’2″ bodybuilder be denied the right to vote? Their votes would likely cancel each other out (Louise is a total lefty but Raoul is an Ayn Rand devotee) but who is to say that either should be denied access to the ballot? And if one is required to select a sexual identity on the registration but one’s identity is not on the list of options, then isn’t that a form of voter suppression?

    When I make that list, how can I know what may show up?

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  10. Bob Thompson Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    Voting is a right.

    What kind of right? Human right, animal right, Constitutional right.

     

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  11. Bob Thompson Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    Voting is a right, not a privilege. 

    There might be a lot of debate about this. It is certainly not in the same category with the right to life. In our system, there are many qualifications required for voting and there are times when even those previously qualified may be denied. Democrats would likely only disqualify those who don’t vote the right way. Is that the right you refer to?

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  12. James Salerno Inactive
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    Get your local militias organized and surround the polls.

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  13. Ekosj Member
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    It’s only becomes criminal if criminals win.

    For example :

    In January 2017, Reps. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash., Barbara Lee, D-Calif., Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas, Raúl Grijalva, D-Ariz., Maxine Waters, D-Calif., and Jim McGovern, D-Mass., all objected to electoral votes for Trump

    The Media hailed them as heroic resistance leaders.

    Flash forward 4-5 years….

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  14. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    James Salerno (View Comment):

    Get your local militias organized and surround the polls.

    Well that will get you arrested and jailed.

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  15. Bob Thompson Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    James Salerno (View Comment):

    Get your local militias organized and surround the polls.

    Well that will get you arrested and jailed.

    Probably, without a trial in sight.

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  16. Old Bathos Moderator
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    There are 112 genders and biological sexual identity is an illusion

    Only men and women should be granted the privilege of voting.

    Voting is a right, not a privilege. Should my sometimes identity Louise, a lesbian of color be “privileged” as you put it while my other sometimes identity Raoul, a 26-year old 6’2″ bodybuilder be denied the right to vote? Their votes would likely cancel each other out (Louise is a total lefty but Raoul is an Ayn Rand devotee) but who is to say that either should be denied access to the ballot? And if one is required to select a sexual identity on the registration but one’s identity is not on the list of options, then isn’t that a form of voter suppression?

    When I make that list, how can I know what may show up?

    The rules of the game are that whoever draws up the list loses. Think you got all 112 genders? Wrong! You offended the 113th.

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  17. Hang On Member
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    If this is the name of the game, then why should only one side play?

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  18. Old Bathos Moderator
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    Hang On (View Comment):

    If this is the name of the game, then why should only one side play?

    There is only one side. Don’t play.

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  19. Stad Coolidge
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    Old Bathos: In essence, the bill outlaws investigating and reporting cheating if done by private citizens. 

    Sinister . . .

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  20. Doug Kimball Thatcher
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    It is appalling.  But it is just Democrats, legislating for themselves while claiming to be protecting voters and opposing those evil Republicans.  In their twisted world, opponents have no rights to dissent.  If an opposition voter is cancelled, that is not just OK, its a victory!  You need the most checks to on the tally sheet to win.  Actual cast votes are secondary.  It is already very difficult to prove fraud.  It will be much more difficult if you intimidate anyone who might challenge the validity of a voter.  Criminal!

    There are two ways to secure elections.  First there are preventive controls – procedures that prevent possible fraud – requiring voter ID for example, or requiring proof of citizenship and residence (birth certificate and other ID) at time of registration.  Poll balancing, for example votes cast per the check in and signature logs, compared to the votes cast and tallied plus any uncounted provisional ballots; also votes tallied plus spoiled ballots should equal the total ballots issued.  The problem with these poll balancing controls is what to do if they don’t work?  What then?   Like the teller who is out of balance at the end of the day; where did the extra three-hundred dollars come from and what do you do with it?

    Things get much more dicey with provisional and mail in ballots.  Lacking ID and signature, it is virtually impossible to prevent a stolen or counterfeit ballot from being counted, and lacking poll balancing controls, it is not even possible to determine the scope of any possible error.  Further, mail-in ballots must be checked against lists of cast ballots to ensure there is no duplicate voting.  Provisional ballots also require crosscheck against cast votes in correct precincts and against early and mail-in cast votes.  All these things take care and time, making tallies more difficult.

    In AZ, which has had generous early in-person and mail-in voting policies for years. early and mail-in votes are tallied daily as returned and those votes are closed a few days before election day.  Election day precinct voter lists show those who voted early or who requested an mail-in ballot.  Mail-in voters who failed to mail their ballots on time can drop their completed, mail-in ballots off at their polling place. After a signature check, those votes are counted.   If late mail-in voters fail to bring their official mail-in ballot, they can request a provisional ballot.  Other voters who show up to vote whose name cannot be verified on the precinct list can also request a provisional ballot.  After the polls close, provisional ballots must be checked against the state’s early voter and returned mail-in ballot list, and if the voter is from the wrong precinct, on that precinct’s election day voter signature list.  If no early or mail-in vote was returned and if there is no voter check-in record at the correct precinct, th0se provisional votes are counted, otherwise the ballots are spoiled.

    Despite AZ’s experience with mail-in ballots, you can see that compiling the vote is difficult.  Imagine the difficulty in states with little or no experience with mail-in ballots and lacking systems and procedures to deal with problems when the numbers just don’t add up.  It is impossible to determine whether incompetence or fraud or both are at work.

    And if the numbers don’t add up, even if they are materially wrong, what can you do?

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  21. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    Mike Rounds told me the 2020 election was perfect. 

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  22. Unsk Member
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    Great Post Old Bathos.

    Will reporting election fraud become a crime – in the new Commietard Democrat regime to their liking? Of course, in this brave new world of the Commie Democrats free speech and dissent will become capital offenses punishable by death.

    Say Goodbye to the United State of America Constitutional Republic and say hello to a very ugly, dystopian  Police State Dictatorship.

    One would normally think that reasonable Democrats would be embarrassed by HR1, but think again.

    In a new Rasmussen poll from Election Central:

    • Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Democratic voters would favor a government policy requiring that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times, except for emergencies, if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine. Such a proposal is opposed by 61% of all likely voters, including 79% of Republicans and 71% of unaffiliated voters.

    • Nearly half (48%) of Democratic voters think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications.

    • Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations  ( Internment Camps ) if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

    47% of Democrats who support some kind of monitoring device forcibly imposed on unvaccinated individuals.

    So there it is. 59% percent of Democrats want a dystopian Police State. No Wonder the Democrats in Congress  are so gung ho for a Dictatorship  because their voters want it!  The Democrats are now certifiably psycho crazy, way beyond any  reasonable doubt. Now we know why it has become   so difficult to reason with Democrats for so long — because they are completely deranged psychopaths who want to hurt millions of Americans. 

    Talk about rationale for a civil war. These people have absolutely no sense or idea what the consequences of their incredibly stupid actions are.  They seem to think they actually can get away with it without a monumental battle.

    The battle lines have been now firmly etched in stone- either you are firmly against tyranny in all it’s forms or you are not, and there is absolutely no middle ground.  There can be no buts, ifs or whatever. There can no longer be any excuses or granting the benefit of the doubt for those trying to justify the Democrats actions because we now know they are out to simply destroy this country and most of us with it!

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  23. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    There are 112 genders and biological sexual identity is an illusion

    Only men and women should be granted the privilege of voting.

    Voting is a right, not a privilege. Should my sometimes identity Louise, a lesbian of color be “privileged” as you put it while my other sometimes identity Raoul, a 26-year old 6’2″ bodybuilder be denied the right to vote? Their votes would likely cancel each other out (Louise is a total lefty but Raoul is an Ayn Rand devotee) but who is to say that either should be denied access to the ballot? And if one is required to select a sexual identity on the registration but one’s identity is not on the list of options, then isn’t that a form of voter suppression?

    Nope.

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  24. Hang On Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    If this is the name of the game, then why should only one side play?

    There is only one side. Don’t play.

    No. No. No. A thousand times no.

    It is far preferable to not have these rules and prevent them from passing. 

    However, if they do, picking up your ball and going home will be a total and complete disaster. 

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