Basic Fact: The Texas Synagogue

 

The hostages ran away from the hostage-taker. They saved themselves. “‘First of all, we escaped. We weren’t released or freed,” said Cohen, who was one of four people in the synagogue for services that many other Congregation Beth Israel members were watching online.'” Then the FBI stormed the building, and shot the bad guy dead.

So how come the press reports it differently?

BBC:

The four people held hostage at the synagogue in Colleyville near Dallas were eventually freed unharmed, after a 10-hour siege.

WSJ:

The hostages held at Congregation Beth Israel were freed by an elite FBI rescue team that flew to the area from the East Coast, law-enforcement officials said.

Now I see that some sources (AP and NPR!) are correcting the record with the new information. Still, it is astounding how sloppy the reporting has been, for a story that is really not that hard to follow.

And I wonder why they had to shoot the bad guy, if he had no hostages. Surely he would have been more useful alive?

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  1. MarciN Member
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    iWe: Still, it is astounding how sloppy the reporting has been, for a story that is really not that hard to follow.

    It sounds like they simply talked to the FBI or conducted their story research over the Internet. 

    Good grief. 

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  2. OldPhil Coolidge
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    it is astounding how sloppy the reporting has been

    Not for quite a while, it isn’t.

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  3. GLDIII Purveyor of Splendid Malpropisms Reagan
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    Dead men tell no tales

    Nothing to inconvenience the embarrassed security apparatuses that we tolerate.

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  4. John Diehl Member
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    The bad guy had to die because the FBI had to show that they were in control of the situation.

     

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  5. Henry Castaigne Member
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    John Diehl (View Comment):

    The bad guy had to die because the FBI had to show that they were in control of the situation.

     

    Remember the good old days when I could say, “Hey you are being paranoid. The FBI shut the bad guy because shooting bad guys is what they do.”

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  6. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Any time the Jews act out of their own agency, showing strength and courage, people get aggravated; it must be a fluke or a mistake. That’s one reason they hate Israel. 

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  7. Ontheleftcoast Member
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    CTH points out

    The FBI knew in advance of 

    • The Pulse Nightclub shooter (Omar Mateen) and were tipped off by the local sheriff.

    • The San Bernardino Terrorists (Tashfeen Malik). 

    • The Boston Marathon Bombers (the Tsarnaev brothers) [and had been] tipped off by Russians.  

    • The Parkland High School shooter (Nikolas Cruz). T

    • The Fort Hood shooter (Nidal Hasan), 

    • The Colorado grocery store shooter Ahmad al-Aliwi Alissa.  

    The FBI took no action. In any of those cases. 

    But wait, there’s more:

    [The] first recorded ISIS attack on U.S. soil was in Garland, Texas in 2015.  The FBI not only knew the shooters (Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi) in advance, BUT the FBI ALSO took the shooters to the venue and were standing only a few yards away when Simpson and Soofi opened fire.  Yes, you read that correctly – the FBI took the terrorists to the event and then watched it unfold.  “An FBI trainer suggested in an interview with “60 Minutes” that, had the attack been bigger, the agency’s numerous ties to the shooter would have led to a congressional investigation.”

    . . .

    Have we forgotten the Atlanta “Olympic Park Bombing”, and the FBI intentionally setting up transparently innocent, Richard Jewel?

    Then, there’s the entirety of the FBI conduct in “Spygate”, the demonstrably evident FBI operation to conduct political surveillance against Donald Trump using their investigative authorities; and the downstream consequences of a massive institutional effort to cover up one of the biggest justice department scandals in the history of our nation.   The original effort against Donald Trump used massive resources from the DOJ and FBI.  Heck, the coverup operation using the Mueller/Weissmann special counsel used more than 50 investigative FBI agents alone.

    His conclusion from these and other cases:

    The FBI is a U.S. version of the Russian “State Police”; and the FBI is deployed -almost exclusively- to attack domestic enemies of those who control government, while they protect the interests of the U.S. Fourth Branch of Government.  

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  8. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    iWe: And I wonder why they had to shoot the bad guy, if he had no hostages. Surely he would have been more useful alive?

    They had to shoot the bad guy to make sure he never squealed about being an FBI agent himself.

    I’m only half-joking.

    Okay maybe 10%.

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  9. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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  10. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    iWe: The hostages ran away from the hostage-taker. They saved themselves. ““First of all, we escaped. We weren’t released or freed,” said Cohen, who was one of four people in the synagogue

    That’s not what the FBI said.  They said that the hostages were freed by heroic FBI agents.

    The FBI agent must have mis-spoken.  Slip of the tongue.  Purely unintentional.

    The correction will appear at the bottom of page 28 of the newspaper in a week or two, to make sure everybody knows exactly what happened.

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  11. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    The FBI is a U.S. version of the Russian “State Police”; and the FBI is deployed -almost exclusively- to attack domestic enemies of those who control government, while they protect the interests of the U.S. Fourth Branch of Government.

    Everyone just go to that link.

    What a ride!

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  12. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    The FBI is a U.S. version of the Russian “State Police”; and the FBI is deployed -almost exclusively- to attack domestic enemies of those who control government, while they protect the interests of the U.S. Fourth Branch of Government.

    Everyone just go to that link.

    What a ride!

    Wow.  That really is something.  Golly.

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  13. Jim McConnell Member
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    The FBI has a publicity department second only to that of the Marine Corps.

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  14. Manny Member
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    iWe:

    And I wonder why they had to shoot the bad guy, if he had no hostages. Surely he would have been more useful alive?

    From what I read there was “an exchange of gun fire.”  I imagine he fired first and would not give up.  But who knows.

    As to the reporting, it’s always inaccurate.  Even if there was no bias intended, you cannot believe to the letter any story you read in the news or hear on TV.  The couple of stories in my lifetime where I had some personal knowledge of the facts were reported with some  glaring errors.

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  15. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    The FBI has to keep changing their story here. That’s a pretty good indication that they’re not being entirely honest about the incident.

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  16. RufusRJones Member
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    This is the NGO that gave them some of their security training. I just donated. This security crap has to be very hard on smaller congregations. 

    https://www.securecommunitynetwork.org

     

     

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  17. Flicker Coolidge
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    iWe:

    And I wonder why they had to shoot the bad guy, if he had no hostages. Surely he would have been more useful alive?

    No witnesses.

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  18. Flicker Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    The FBI is a U.S. version of the Russian “State Police”; and the FBI is deployed -almost exclusively- to attack domestic enemies of those who control government, while they protect the interests of the U.S. Fourth Branch of Government.

    Everyone just go to that link.

    What a ride!

    I haven’t even gone to the link yet, but I’ve probably read the article.  Let me see.

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  19. Buckpasser Member
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    Just another sad COVID death.  Nothing to see here, move along, move along.

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  20. aardo vozz Member
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    GLDIII Purveyor of Splendid Ma… (View Comment):

    Dead men tell no tales

    Nothing to inconvenience the embarrassed security apparatuses that we tolerate.

    Insufficiently cynical.

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  21. Rightfromthestart Coolidge
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    Manny (View Comment):

    iWe:

    And I wonder why they had to shoot the bad guy, if he had no hostages. Surely he would have been more useful alive?

    From what I read there was “an exchange of gun fire.” I imagine he fired first and would not give up. But who knows.

    As to the reporting, it’s always inaccurate. Even if there was no bias intended, you cannot believe to the letter any story you read in the news or hear on TV. The couple of stories in my lifetime where I had some personal knowledge of the facts were reported with some glaring errors.

    Gelman amnesia – You read a story about something you know firsthand and it’s filled with errors, then you turn the page and believe the next story about the Ukraine or Japan or whatever as if it’s accurate. 

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  22. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Any time the Jews act out of their own agency, showing strength and courage, people get aggravated; it must be a fluke or a mistake. That’s one reason they hate Israel.

    Another reason: all those Israeli Jews who abandoned kibbutz socialism. The Left will never forgive that.

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  23. Miffed White Male Member
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    John Diehl (View Comment):

    The bad guy had to die because the FBI had to show that they were in control of the situation.

     

    I’m generally in favor of shooting the bad guys.  We ought to do it more often.

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  24. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    The FBI can get to US firms, only the CIA can get to the UK sources

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  25. JoshuaFinch Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Any time the Jews act out of their own agency, showing strength and courage, people get aggravated; it must be a fluke or a mistake. That’s one reason they hate Israel

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Any time the Jews act out of their own agency, showing strength and courage, people get aggravated; it must be a fluke or a mistake. That’s one reason they hate Israel.

    Very well said. But let there be no doubt: Indifference and hostility to Jews is indifference and hostility to God. God gave the Ten Commandments to the Jews and those with animalistic and barbaric proclivities (most of humankind?) will never forgive the Jews — who thus became God’s agents on earth — for accepting them.

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  26. Ontheleftcoast Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    iWe:

    And I wonder why they had to shoot the bad guy, if he had no hostages. Surely he would have been more useful alive?

    No witnesses.

    Sending a message to the Whitmer and 1/6 informants/agents? It would be a shame if anything happened to them, but they will no doubt be reassured to know that if something does, the DOJ will investigate it thoroughly.

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