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Vaccine? No, Not Really.
The jab is a vaccine, or at least that’s what it’s called, but it really isn’t. It is not a vaccine as vaccines were once understood. It is an invasive genetic delivery therapy and consists of an injected mixture containing nanocarbon fibers, lipids, and strands of mRNA designed specifically to reprogram a cell’s DNA, its genes, and its purpose. Instead of say, assembling within a scaffold of proteins designed to contract on command (example: muscle cell), the former muscle cell is reprogrammed by the mRNA to give up its duties and madly make COVID spike proteins until it burns out.
mRNA must work quickly or it breaks down. It cannot enter a cell on its own. Enter dense lipids, to protect the mRNA, and carbon nanoparticles to penetrate cell walls and allow the mRNA to enter a cell. The manufactured spike proteins leak out of the now compromised cell and drift though the circulatory and lymphatic systems, until they locate an ACE2 receptor on the surface of cell and bind with it. In theory, this would close a pathway for a potential COVID cell infection. In addition, these circulating spike proteins will eventually be recognized by your immune system as invasive and will prompt an antibody response to neutralize them. These same antibodies would respond to actual proteins on a COVID spike, effectively neutralizing any COVID viruses post-exposure.
Historically, vaccines for viral infections have been incredibly effective. Small pox? Eradicated. Polio? Virtually eliminated. Chickenpox, the mumps, the measles, rubella, whooping cough? Gone. In the public mind, viral vaccinations are miraculous. So, when this new mRNA technology was elevated to “vaccine” status, the CDC and NIH effectively tapped into the public’s vaccine goodwill. But this new “vaccine” wasn’t a vaccine at all. It was gene therapy, both unproven and unapproved. The definition change is an old-fashioned bait and switch.
Redefining vaccines to include invasive mRNA genetic therapy also served another, more nefarious purpose. It allowed the manufacturers to hide behind the legal liability shield provided generally to producers of vaccines. Had the therapy been relegated to therapeutic status, producers would have to defend themselves against civil claims for possible harmful, even fatal, side effects. And they might lose.
I submit, dear readers, that had the public known these things, many more folks would have been reluctant to participate in mass injection. Further, if they knew that cell lines harvested from aborted fetuses were needed to develop the tests for the efficacy and safety of this therapy, even more people would have balked.
Further, the NIH, CDC, and vaccine manufacturers obviously did not know whether these new “vaccines” would be effective. Authorizations were “emergency”. They hoped they would be effective and if wishing were real, they all would have been, but wishing is never a good reason to place a bet. These new vaccines have now proven to be largely ineffective. They are not lasting, hence require constant boosters. They do not prevent infection, hence breakthrough cases are now the norm. They do not staunch infectiousness as those who get COVID, even if vaxed, boosted and asymptomatic, still shed virus and infect others. They are not durable as new strains of the virus, like Omicron, are not deterred by the vaccines. The only thing we know for certain: breakthrough cases are less mortal than infections in the unvaxed. However, as with all respiratory viruses, evolved variants are also proving to be less harmful and more virulent than their predecessors
It is clear now that mRNA so-called vaccines seem to do only one thing; they reduce the severity of a COVID 19 infection. There is a medical term for a treatment that reduces the severity of a viral infection: a therapeutic. Government agencies have oversold this mRNA technology at every turn, even elevating it to “vaccine” status. This was an abuse of language for political ends, largely benefitting the virus purveyors and their investors. It’s time this mRNA therapy is purged from the definition of what constitutes a vaccine. It is an invasive gene therapy. At best, mRNA therapy has proven to be only therapeutic, a treatment whose benefits are limited and may not outweigh the risks for many easily discernable segments of the population. The vaccine liability shield should not apply to these therapies. Perhaps it is time to alert the trial lawyers. The immense gains accumulated by the hucksters pushing this stuff have proven illegitimate. And the therapy itself may well prove harmful to many while those harmed have had no good recourse.
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Definitely. There wouldn’t be much point to the vaccine if it wasn’t multiple.
Compared to the effect of sars-cov-2.
This is factually wrong. mRNA does not mess with DNA, it does not modify the genetic code of a cell. mRNA from a vaccine uses existing machinery in the cell, but it does not shut down all other protein production. The cell is making tons of proteins all the time, and lots of mRNA is made and then degraded. It’s like temporarily switching over one assembly line at a huge factory, not this kind of mass take over. mRNA is not used to pass on genetic material, it is a quick photocopy from the reference library.
A RNA virus does actually take over a cell by producing more and more RNA. (as opposed to just having a few molecules like a vaccine) There is a specific subtype of RNA virus, called a Retrovirus (HIV is the most notable example), that has an enzyme that turns RNA into DNA. That’s called Reverse Transcriptase, and it is not something found normally in humans.
Some of comments here remind me of urban liberals talking about guns. This is not a defense of Fauci (screw that guy) or the vaccine mandate
False. As I said above, it’s not screwing with your DNA. This is a level of wrong akin to the old talk about how knights used club-like swords and were unable to move around well.
I didn’t say DNA. I said genetically modified. Which is temporary. Probably. We think.
Nor am I an expert (those people have been largely driven off Ricochet (Mendel) or are shamed for being “arrogant”). I just have more experience than I’d like in the medical community.
“So what would you call it?” I already named it — it’s an immunotherapy. That’s what MD Anderson called it when they treated my sister-in-law. The difference between mRNA immunotherapy and gene therapy is that the former does not alter one’s DNA. mRNA doesn’t enter the cell’s nucleus (where the DNA lives). You are correct that it alters the (already somewhat short) lifespan and function of the cells into which it is injected, but that is nothing like altering DNA. The small number of affected cells die in the process of producing nonreplicating spike proteins (unlike COVID itself, which freely reproduces spikes in an infected patient) to which your body’s immune system responds. Vaccine spikes likely decay and are absorbed within a short span of days, after they’ve stimulated your immune system.
And, speaking of (nearly) miraculous, but not without any undesirable consequences, being the parent of a child you’re just trying to keep alive, I am not one to hate on the pharmaceutical companies or their desire to protect themselves from an overly litigious population which can’t fathom the complexities of the human body and just wants someone to blame when things go wrong (and maybe take a little money off those eeevil rich corporations). I may have to write a post.
I appreciate the clarification. mRNA alone gets into a cell and alters its function. It hijacks it, overwriting, if you will, the orders coming from within as coded by your DNA/RNA messaging system. Am I getting close?
I found one of those old clips last night where he used 97% or 98%, but in the same breath he said they were 100% effective against hospitalization.
The fact is, this is how they trumpeted their vax at the start. Please remember this. Don’t let them rewrite history.
Yeah, that’s close enough at least for my understanding. It may be more of a matter of overwhelming than overwriting, in that the original DNA instructions aren’t overwritten, and the cell’s original mRNA’s are still produced, but it could also be that in effect some of the original functions of the cell are blocked or shut down while the vaccine mRNA does its work. If the vaccine mRNA is capable of producing spike proteins at a fast rate, it could simply be a matter that in building the spikes it sucks up all available raw materials for making new proteins, and there are none left for normal cell function.
This is something that probably would have to be studied on a case by case basis for each mRNA vaccine that comes along, in order to know for sure. Viruses do amazing things, and the mRNA vaccines just steal some of their tricks. My impression is that we don’t know all of that for sars-cov-2 spike production. (I really should get back to the sessions in Vincent Racaniello’s on-line virology course, where I was starting to learn about some of these mechanisms.)
It may sound dangerous to develop a vaccine without knowing those details, but we’re already facing any of those dangers from the full virus.
I appreciate what you have to say here. It would make a great difference in how this is going, I think, if we could get a little more straight talk and decisions consistent with the authority granted to those governing by the people. American approach to medical challenges has produced miraculous solutions to comfort those suffering and improve the quality and extend the life of many. I am currently personally living a period of extension that was not available to those a century ago. I wish those in politics and governing were as competent as our recent past medical professionals. I also think it may be questionable if we will continue to benefit from the expertise we have had.
Thank you all for participating in this thread. I am obviously not a scientist or a lawyer, but I am curious and I’m trying to put the facts together so we can all follow this COVID pandemic fiasco and move forward intelligently and with clarity. It is the layman’s job to make this journey, to learn, to question and to critique. We don’t have to be expert to be helpful. Otherwise, we leave ourselves completely subject to the so called experts, who themselves are fallible and who may not have the best of motives. I’m willing to jump in there, be wrong and debate and learn. We laymen may not get all the little things right, but with the help of experts in polite critique and debate, we may together provide enough perspective and daylight to help us find the truth.
Thanks again.
Everything beyond what you actually heard and cited is stuff that you’re making up. You’re rewriting history.
You want my agreement that that’s all bad? You have it. That’s not the same as some of the wild assertions made about the vaccines. I think we conservatives are interested in the truth — the whole truth. That is bound to include some of the good (vaccines have reduced hospitalizations and deaths) with the bad (some people have been badly injured by the vaccines, especially when they’re inadvertently injected into a vein; and our local health system does not permit the vaccinators in the vaccination factories to aspirate before injecting because the CDC doesn’t recommend it, which is simply wicked and one of the reasons I’m not getting boosted).
There should be much more concern at this point with the excessive control over the daily and common behavior of the people being pushed by federal authorities. The attempt by Democrats to pass HR1 is precisely the kind of effort that I envision the oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, was meant to address. The Covid pandemic, the urban crime wave, the border crises, the economy problems (employment, supply-chain, inflation), these are all being used as cover for the ill-effects of how the last election was conducted and Democrats, who have no concern or concept about the meaning of the Constitution, are now trying their very best to make those election conditions permanent with unconstitutional federal law.
I’d be interested in learning more about this sometime, either here in this thread or elsewhere.
(Sigh.) You have become tiresome.
If you tell the truth, you won’t get so tired from defending falsehoods. I have no plans to make the re-telling of fibs less tiresome for you.
Over the years, the anti-vaxxers have asked some good questions. There is a possibility that this new way of developing vaccines may address some of those concerns. I hope people can keep an open mind about them going forward. There’s always a tendency for people to just say no to everything and miss some good things.
Well, I don’t know if it’s actually true, but it blows the hell out of the the pervasive statements, even prevalent here on Ricochet, that they mRNA makes one copy and is destroyed. If it lasts, it lasts.
“Genetically modified” can refer to RNA as well, it’s all genetics. And the individual cells are getting modified to death — literally — be use of induced genetic material.
But more importantly, I have red and heard that the mRNA can — that there is an existing cellular mechanism — to integrate the mRNA into the existing human DNA. The people who have said this say it as if it was only theoretically possible and rarely would happen, if ever. And I don’t know that it has ever happened even once. But the mechanism does exist for mRNA to modify human DNA.
Fritz: “Further, the Nuremburg principle remains in effect (though never codified into US law) that no one can legally be forced to submit to a medical experiment without full knowledge and informed consent. The EUA jab remains experimental, with studies not to conclude until 2023 or later, but this issue did not even come up in the arguments in the US Supreme Court over the OSHA and health care worker mandates. Shameful. And if one points any of this out, one is condemned as a conspiracy theorist and worse, amid mass hysteria and the ongoing madness of crowds.”
Great Comment.
The forced jab also violated HIPAA and the ADA.
For those who say things like :
“I think the vaccines will turn out to have been a good innovation in preventing disease.”
need to be reminded that people are dying from these vaccines. In droves. I personally know of more people who died from the vaccines that from COVID, and the one person I knew who died from COVID should have lived if he had been given proper treatment like Ivermectin.
Dr Bhakdi in “Basic Immunology for Everyone”tells us How and Why the Gene Based COVID “Vaccines” trigger Breakdown of Immunological Defenses against Infectious Agents that lie Dormant, “Sleeping”, in our Bodies. These include many Viruses such Herpes Zoster (Shingles), Epstein Barr Virus (Infectious Mono Nucleosis), Cytomegalo Viruses , and also Bacteria – particularly Tuberculosis – and Parasites. Our Sentinel Lymphocytes are, moreover, vitally important in protecting us against Tumors because they swiftly exterminate Cancer Cells that continually arise in our Body.
“Vaccine”- Mediated Destruction of these Sentinel Lymphocytes is going to have Disastrous Global Consequences. Patients with Dreaded “Old” Infections such as Tuberculosis, and withMalignant Tumors are going to flood the Hospitals around the World.
Got that? Vaccines trigger a terrible breakdown in Immunological Defenses.
Dr. Brindle on Blood Clotting by the mRNA vaccines:
Recently, images of red blood cells under the microscope have appeared, showing some shocking revelations of what the vaccine does to the body.
After the mRNA vaccine, the images of the red blood cells have an abnormal membrane and start to clump together.
And that’s only the beginning.
Activated white blood cells were seen everywhere on a single drop of blood. This means either the white cells were stimulated by the vaccine OR more likely activated by the toxins in the vaccine.
Other appalling findings include seeing nanoparticles viewed which are possibly the result of the vaccine. And not surprisingly, thrombosis, or the clumping of cells together, was viewed under the microscope.
I know of Health Care professionals who have looked at the blood of patients having post vaccine problems under the microscope and are appalled at how totally messed up the blood they see is. These so-called “vaccines” are incredibly dangerous and are likely to cause severe long term problems for those who foolishly took these “vaccines”.
I think that the thrust of you comment is not so. This is certainly far outside my field, but during the covid crisis, I’ve never read of a genetic therapeutic that did anything but create a missing human protein; to switch on a function or to switch it off , or to switch on a gene or to switch it off. This is, as far as I’ve read, all that genetic therapeutics do.
From my reading, which is just that — reading — never before has a therapeutic been approved or used that introduced foreign genetic material into the human body to order the human cells to produce foreign material. (I don’t know about the rabies mRNA vaccine, but then I don’t know if it was ever used, or used effectually in humans, either.)
Furthermore the mRNA and the material that the mRNA produces is not even a natural protein, but at best a multi-chimeric protein that was created in a lab, and has had no genetic exposure to humans, ever, and has had no natural animal exposure.
This is a lab-created pathogen that is created by human cells as directed by a lab-created mRNA. There is, as far as I can tell, no experience with this process in human history.
Also, it’s funny. What did Mendel say to you? I once or twice wrote Mendel questions, that he didn’t really answer, and I thought this was because answering would require exposing proprietary information. I wasn’t aware that he was run off. How did that work?
No, you are not facing an environment of free-floating spikes. Covid infection produces the entire virus, with external and internal components. And the spikes themselves are attached to the viral bodies. There is little functional similarity between the viral spikes and the free spikes and non-viral human cell’s spikes.
This is malpractice.
For those confused, aspirating an injection is a step in which the needle plunger is pulled back after it is inserted to create back pressure. After a few seconds, if blood appears in the syringe, the person giving the injection will know that the needle has infiltrated a blood vessel. If this happens when receiving a COVID shot, the contents will infuse the blood vessel sending the stuff all over the body, to the heart, brain and other organs. Not good and potentially disastrous. The shot contents are supposed to be localized in the dense muscle tissue where it will remain.
Good writers always know how much their readers know.
Thank you for explaining that. I had no idea what it meant. :-)
Do you know why CDC is not recommending a procedure that sounds as if it is standard practice?
The MA I spoke to who gives vaccines at the vaccination factory only told me they’ve been directed to “stick and go.”
Never heard that one.
Are you sure you aren’t talking about the fact that the mRNA doesn’t replicate itself? That’s true. But it makes multiple spikes before degrading or getting destroyed.