NYC Allows Non-Citizens to Vote

 

What Liberals consider immigration reform is an absolute disgrace. Not only does the left want open borders, they want the streams of non-citizens to vote. From Fox News:

The New York City Council on Thursday approved a measure to allow the nearly 800,000 legal non-citizens in the metropolis to vote in municipal elections.

The measure, which would affect green card holders and those with work authorizations, doesn’t include state or federal elections and people in the country illegally would not be allowed to vote, according to FOX 5 in New York City.

The city would be the largest to allow non-citizens to vote.

I’m just astounded. Is there any hope for this country anymore? 800,000 is ten percent of the population. NYC Republicans, what’s left of us, vowed to fight this in court. From the NY Post:

Staten Island’s next borough president vowed to take the city to court to block a controversial measure that would allow non-citizens to vote in local elections.

Vito Fossella, who takes over as borough president in January, will challenge a bill sponsored by Councilman Ydanis Rodriguez (D-Manhattan) that would let non-citizens register in political parties and vote in city elections if they’re green-card holders or authorized to work in the country.

“One of the great privileges of being a citizen is the right to vote and as [borough president], I will initiate legal action to preserve the sanctity of the vote,” Fossella said this week.

The Bill passed with a veto-proof majority, but who was going to veto it, Bill de Blasio? Hardly. Our only hope is in the courts. The NY Post continues:

“The qualifications for the right to vote are laid out clearly in our state Constitution. Extending that right to non-citizens is unconstitutional and simultaneously dilutes the votes of and devalues what it means to be a citizen,” Fossella added.

The former seven-term Republican congressman, who is making a political comeback more than a decade after a scandal derailed his career, said four other Republican elected officials have agreed to join him in any future legal fight.

Two of the four, Councilman Joe Borrelli and Councilman-elect David Carr, both of Staten Island, joined state GOP Chairman Nick Langworthy during a news conference Thursday to condemn the legislation.

The four Republicans mentioned are about all the Republican elected officials we have in NYC. I’m proud to say the Vito Fossella is my Borough President and David Carr is my City Councilman. I’m hoping the courts will bail us out, but frankly, I don’t know. This issue should go national because this issue is in the hearts of all the Liberals. If they can, they will impose this insanity in cities across America.

Now does anyone favor even legal immigration?

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  1. Kozak Member
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    I’m OK with this for local elections. If the idiots in NY want to degrade the vote in local elections, let them. Let them let prisoners and 12 year olds vote.  But for national elections, and that means Congress and Senate too, because those affect the rest of us,  we need strict enforcement that only citizens, real, live citizens vote, and only once. No mail in voting, vote harvesting, etc.

     

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  2. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Disgusting. 

    The elites want us Replaced 

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  3. Tex929rr Coolidge
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    I’m OK with this for local elections. If the idiots in NY want to degrade the vote in local elections, let them. Let them let prisoners and 12 year olds vote. But for national elections, and that means Congress and Senate too, because those affect the rest of us, we need strict enforcement that only citizens, real, live citizens vote, and only once. No mail in voting, vote harvesting, etc.

     

    Maybe.  But this a nose under the tent sort of thing.  If NYC gets away with it, then it’ll be NY state.  Then Cali, etc.  Sooner or later you’ll be able to walk across the bridge over the Rio Grande and vote the same day. 

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  4. David B. Sable Inactive
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    What is lost was the understanding that those who vote are those who have skin in the game and therefore would make the best decisions for their community.  Early in our history, those who voted were land owners.  I’m certainly not suggesting we adopt that rule but the point was that those who had the privilege to vote was those who had a basic commitment to the society and had a vested interest in seeking its good.  Today’s idea that you should vote because “you’re you” and “every opinion counts” shows an historical ignorance.

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  5. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    David B. Sable (View Comment):

    What is lost was the understanding that those who vote are those who have skin in the game and therefore would make the best decisions for their community. Early in our history, those who voted were land owners. I’m certainly not suggesting we adopt that rule but the point was that those who had the privilege to vote was those who had a basic commitment to the society and had a vested interest in seeking its good. Today’s idea that you should vote because “you’re you” and “every opinion counts” shows an historical ignorance.

    We see it in my county.  The Eastern part of the county is full of people who tend to move in for 23 years and then move out. They simply do not vote the same way as the people in the western part of the county.  Thanks to their temper tantrum we now have a Democrat controlled county commission.

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  6. David B. Sable Inactive
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    David B. Sable (View Comment):

     

    We see it in my county. The Eastern part of the county is full of people who tend to move in for 23 years and then move out. They simply do not vote the same way as the people in the western part of the county. Thanks to their temper tantrum we now have a Democrat controlled county commission.

    I live in a University town where students drop in for a few years to vote according to their indoctrination.  Battles are raged so these young people are not disenfranchised by having to walk across the street to the courthouse to vote but can have a polling location in the student union.  I’m not saying they shouldn’t vote (somewhere) but there is an injustice towards people who actually live here.

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  7. Stad Coolidge
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    Kozak (View Comment):
    I’m OK with this for local elections.

    I’m not.  Citizenship has its privileges, and to give them to people who don’t deserve it ludicrous . . .

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  8. Vance Richards Inactive
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    I saw one councilwoman voted no because she is afraid Hispanics will vote GOP.

    Logistically, how do you just vote in local elections when everything is on one ballot? Sounds like it is made for fraud.

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  9. Kozak Member
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):
    I’m OK with this for local elections.

    I’m not. Citizenship has its privileges, and to give them to people who don’t deserve it ludicrous . . .

    That will just add to the pressure to grant the illegal invaders instant citizenship to prevent the horror of denying them a vote.

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  10. Full Size Tabby Member
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    David B. Sable (View Comment):

    What is lost was the understanding that those who vote are those who have skin in the game and therefore would make the best decisions for their community. Early in our history, those who voted were land owners. I’m certainly not suggesting we adopt that rule but the point was that those who had the privilege to vote was those who had a basic commitment to the society and had a vested interest in seeking its good. Today’s idea that you should vote because “you’re you” and “every opinion counts” shows an historical ignorance.

    The “skin in the game” issue is a big deal. An increasing amount of voting is about voting in something some people want while sticking someone else with the negative consequences. 

    David B. Sable (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    David B. Sable (View Comment):

     

    We see it in my county. The Eastern part of the county is full of people who tend to move in for 23 years and then move out. They simply do not vote the same way as the people in the western part of the county. Thanks to their temper tantrum we now have a Democrat controlled county commission.

    I live in a University town where students drop in for a few years to vote according to their indoctrination. Battles are raged so these young people are not disenfranchised by having to walk across the street to the courthouse to vote but can have a polling location in the student union. I’m not saying they shouldn’t vote (somewhere) but there is an injustice towards people who actually live here.

    I have been reading for some time that students voting at their school rather than their permanent home is quite a problem for college towns. Most of those students will be gone by the time the negative consequences of their voting decisions come to fruition. So they vote in all sorts of nonsense that may have short term benefit but long term disaster. 

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  11. Full Size Tabby Member
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    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    I saw one councilwoman voted no because she is afraid Hispanics will vote GOP.

    Logistically, how do you just vote in local elections when everything is on one ballot? Sounds like it is made for fraud.

    It has been pointed out that there will have to be different ballots, one with only local issues and one with the state and national issues. It further complicates election administration. But, I can’t see the social justice warriors accepting that such differentiation means that the poll worker will have to determine the potential voter’s citizenship status. 

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  12. Vance Richards Inactive
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    I saw one councilwoman voted no because she is afraid Hispanics will vote GOP.

    Logistically, how do you just vote in local elections when everything is on one ballot? Sounds like it is made for fraud.

    It has been pointed out that there will have to be different ballots, one with only local issues and one with the state and national issues. It further complicates election administration. But, I can’t see the social justice warriors accepting that such differentiation means that the poll worker will have to determine the potential voter’s citizenship status.

    Without checking Id because somehow that is racist.

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  13. KCVolunteer Lincoln
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    David B. Sable (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    David B. Sable (View Comment):

     

    We see it in my county. The Eastern part of the county is full of people who tend to move in for 23 years and then move out. They simply do not vote the same way as the people in the western part of the county. Thanks to their temper tantrum we now have a Democrat controlled county commission.

    I live in a University town where students drop in for a few years to vote according to their indoctrination. Battles are raged so these young people are not disenfranchised by having to walk across the street to the courthouse to vote but can have a polling location in the student union. I’m not saying they shouldn’t vote (somewhere) but there is an injustice towards people who actually live here.

    I grew up in Massachusetts and went to college in Pennsylvania. I didn’t consider myself a resident of the city or state where I was in college. It was a temporary address. Much as someone who is the military may be posted temporarily out of state. I applied for and got an absentee ballot for the polling precinct where I was registered to vote. How about we expect adults do that. Maybe they should skip voting in districts they don’t have long term interests in.

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  14. kedavis Coolidge
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    KCVolunteer (View Comment):

    David B. Sable (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    David B. Sable (View Comment):

     

    We see it in my county. The Eastern part of the county is full of people who tend to move in for 23 years and then move out. They simply do not vote the same way as the people in the western part of the county. Thanks to their temper tantrum we now have a Democrat controlled county commission.

    I live in a University town where students drop in for a few years to vote according to their indoctrination. Battles are raged so these young people are not disenfranchised by having to walk across the street to the courthouse to vote but can have a polling location in the student union. I’m not saying they shouldn’t vote (somewhere) but there is an injustice towards people who actually live here.

    I grew up in Massachusetts and went to college in Pennsylvania. I didn’t consider myself a resident of the city or state where I was in college. It was a temporary address. Much as someone who is the military may be posted temporarily out of state. I applied for and got an absentee ballot for the polling precinct where I was registered to vote. How about we expect adults do that. Maybe they should skip voting in districts they don’t have long term interests in.

    Adults should.  Children and Democrats (which are another type of children) don’t.

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  15. Manny Coolidge
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    I’m OK with this for local elections. If the idiots in NY want to degrade the vote in local elections, let them. Let them let prisoners and 12 year olds vote. But for national elections, and that means Congress and Senate too, because those affect the rest of us, we need strict enforcement that only citizens, real, live citizens vote, and only once. No mail in voting, vote harvesting, etc.

     

    Well I live in NY.  I have to suffer with the idiots.  But my point is thatif successful in NYC, then it will be coming to a city near you.

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  16. Manny Coolidge
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    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    I saw one councilwoman voted no because she is afraid Hispanics will vote GOP.

    Logistically, how do you just vote in local elections when everything is on one ballot? Sounds like it is made for fraud.

    I don’t think they’ve figured that out yet, but I can assure you the Dems will find a way for it to spill over into state and federal elections.

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  17. Manny Coolidge
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):
    I’m OK with this for local elections.

    I’m not. Citizenship has its privileges, and to give them to people who don’t deserve it ludicrous . . .

    That will just add to the pressure to grant the illegal invaders instant citizenship to prevent the horror of denying them a vote.

    I believe citizenship is determined by federal guidelines.  It might even be in the constitution.

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  18. Manny Coolidge
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    I saw one councilwoman voted no because she is afraid Hispanics will vote GOP.

    Logistically, how do you just vote in local elections when everything is on one ballot? Sounds like it is made for fraud.

    It has been pointed out that there will have to be different ballots, one with only local issues and one with the state and national issues. It further complicates election administration. But, I can’t see the social justice warriors accepting that such differentiation means that the poll worker will have to determine the potential voter’s citizenship status.

    I’m sure the Democrats will figure out a way for those voters to spill over.  Illegals find a way to vote now.  Now you’re bringing them to the voting booth.  How much easier will it be for corruption.

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  19. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    David B. Sable (View Comment):
    I live in a University town where students drop in for a few years to vote according to their indoctrination.  Battles are raged so these young people are not disenfranchised by having to walk across the street to the courthouse to vote but can have a polling location in the student union.  I’m not saying they shouldn’t vote (somewhere) but there is an injustice towards people who actually live here.

    I agree.  And if someone is from Pennsylvania but going to college in Minnesota, how are we to know that they aren’t voting in Minnesota and sending in an absentee ballot to Pennsylvania?  I am certain the states aren’t comparing their voter rolls to ensure someone isn’t registered in two states at the same time.

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  20. Hang On Member
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    David B. Sable (View Comment):
    I live in a University town where students drop in for a few years to vote according to their indoctrination. Battles are raged so these young people are not disenfranchised by having to walk across the street to the courthouse to vote but can have a polling location in the student union. I’m not saying they shouldn’t vote (somewhere) but there is an injustice towards people who actually live here.

    I agree. And if someone is from Pennsylvania but going to college in Minnesota, how are we to know that they aren’t voting in Minnesota and sending in an absentee ballot to Pennsylvania? I am certain the states aren’t comparing their voter rolls to ensure someone isn’t registered in two states at the same time.

    I don’t know if it’s true of all states, but in NC and OH, when you move from one to another and get a driver’s license and register to vote (motor voter), the other state is informed and your driver’s license and voter registration are revoked in the state you moved from.

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  21. Goldgeller Member
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    David B. Sable (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    David B. Sable (View Comment):

     

    We see it in my county. The Eastern part of the county is full of people who tend to move in for 23 years and then move out. They simply do not vote the same way as the people in the western part of the county. Thanks to their temper tantrum we now have a Democrat controlled county commission.

    I live in a University town where students drop in for a few years to vote according to their indoctrination. Battles are raged so these young people are not disenfranchised by having to walk across the street to the courthouse to vote but can have a polling location in the student union. I’m not saying they shouldn’t vote (somewhere) but there is an injustice towards people who actually live here.

    It’s a big problem because they vote on things that affect long term finances because they like “sustainability” and they don’t understand why the real world doesn’t mirror their 200 level poli-sci or econ class and so the city has to weatherize a whole bunch of buildings older than a certain age– “old” buildings– and they are all basically old and because I was a claims adjuster I was like ” you know its going to be very costly to do that?” and the person didn’t really care that much (in fairness to them they spent about 8 years here). I channeled my inner Rob Long and said “just buy a jacket.” These kids talk about inequality being a problem but Canada Goose is like the official winter jacket around here. 

    To the direct topic: I sorta get why people living in a city would want to vote in local/school board elections and the arguments aren’t unreasonable but 1) it won’t end here and most likely the program will be administered in a way which would make it… easier… for them to “accidentally” get (either by asking or being sent) ballots for state and federal elections and 2) look, citizenship matters. The US isn’t a big store where you get to browse and pick out what you want– while you don’t have to go through as many hoops to be a lawful foreign worker, its perfectly appropriate to consider this a cost of entry to other forms of very valuable participation (having a job and apartment in NYC or NJ). We don’t need to be squishy and imagine that everyone who is here has every right to participate in all of the processes reserved for citizens. 

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  22. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Hang On (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    David B. Sable (View Comment):
    I live in a University town where students drop in for a few years to vote according to their indoctrination. Battles are raged so these young people are not disenfranchised by having to walk across the street to the courthouse to vote but can have a polling location in the student union. I’m not saying they shouldn’t vote (somewhere) but there is an injustice towards people who actually live here.

    I agree. And if someone is from Pennsylvania but going to college in Minnesota, how are we to know that they aren’t voting in Minnesota and sending in an absentee ballot to Pennsylvania? I am certain the states aren’t comparing their voter rolls to ensure someone isn’t registered in two states at the same time.

    I don’t know if it’s true of all states, but in NC and OH, when you move from one to another and get a driver’s license and register to vote (motor voter), the other state is informed and your driver’s license and voter registration are revoked in the state you moved from.

    That’s good.  But if you go to another state for college and never change your official residency, but your college town allows you to vote there — as some do — you could be voting in two towns for the same election.

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  23. Manny Coolidge
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    David B. Sable (View Comment):
    I live in a University town where students drop in for a few years to vote according to their indoctrination. Battles are raged so these young people are not disenfranchised by having to walk across the street to the courthouse to vote but can have a polling location in the student union. I’m not saying they shouldn’t vote (somewhere) but there is an injustice towards people who actually live here.

    I agree. And if someone is from Pennsylvania but going to college in Minnesota, how are we to know that they aren’t voting in Minnesota and sending in an absentee ballot to Pennsylvania? I am certain the states aren’t comparing their voter rolls to ensure someone isn’t registered in two states at the same time.

    I never thought about this.  This is another means of cheating…um, I mean, Democrat get out the vote strategies.

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  24. kedavis Coolidge
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    Manny (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    David B. Sable (View Comment):
    I live in a University town where students drop in for a few years to vote according to their indoctrination. Battles are raged so these young people are not disenfranchised by having to walk across the street to the courthouse to vote but can have a polling location in the student union. I’m not saying they shouldn’t vote (somewhere) but there is an injustice towards people who actually live here.

    I agree. And if someone is from Pennsylvania but going to college in Minnesota, how are we to know that they aren’t voting in Minnesota and sending in an absentee ballot to Pennsylvania? I am certain the states aren’t comparing their voter rolls to ensure someone isn’t registered in two states at the same time.

    I never thought about this. This is another means of cheating…um, I mean, Democrat get out the vote strategies.

    Um.

    You never thought about that?

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  25. Manny Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    David B. Sable (View Comment):
    I live in a University town where students drop in for a few years to vote according to their indoctrination. Battles are raged so these young people are not disenfranchised by having to walk across the street to the courthouse to vote but can have a polling location in the student union. I’m not saying they shouldn’t vote (somewhere) but there is an injustice towards people who actually live here.

    I agree. And if someone is from Pennsylvania but going to college in Minnesota, how are we to know that they aren’t voting in Minnesota and sending in an absentee ballot to Pennsylvania? I am certain the states aren’t comparing their voter rolls to ensure someone isn’t registered in two states at the same time.

    I never thought about this. This is another means of cheating…um, I mean, Democrat get out the vote strategies.

    Um.

    You never thought about that?

    No.  I don’t live in a college town.  

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  26. kedavis Coolidge
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    Manny (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    David B. Sable (View Comment):
    I live in a University town where students drop in for a few years to vote according to their indoctrination. Battles are raged so these young people are not disenfranchised by having to walk across the street to the courthouse to vote but can have a polling location in the student union. I’m not saying they shouldn’t vote (somewhere) but there is an injustice towards people who actually live here.

    I agree. And if someone is from Pennsylvania but going to college in Minnesota, how are we to know that they aren’t voting in Minnesota and sending in an absentee ballot to Pennsylvania? I am certain the states aren’t comparing their voter rolls to ensure someone isn’t registered in two states at the same time.

    I never thought about this. This is another means of cheating…um, I mean, Democrat get out the vote strategies.

    Um.

    You never thought about that?

    No. I don’t live in a college town.

    I don’t see why that would be required.  Haven’t you thought about lots of things that you haven’t actually done yourself?  I mean, otherwise, wouldn’t you have had to vote fraudulently yourself, in order to think about or discuss the issue with others?

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  27. Manny Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    David B. Sable (View Comment):
    I live in a University town where students drop in for a few years to vote according to their indoctrination. Battles are raged so these young people are not disenfranchised by having to walk across the street to the courthouse to vote but can have a polling location in the student union. I’m not saying they shouldn’t vote (somewhere) but there is an injustice towards people who actually live here.

    I agree. And if someone is from Pennsylvania but going to college in Minnesota, how are we to know that they aren’t voting in Minnesota and sending in an absentee ballot to Pennsylvania? I am certain the states aren’t comparing their voter rolls to ensure someone isn’t registered in two states at the same time.

    I never thought about this. This is another means of cheating…um, I mean, Democrat get out the vote strategies.

    Um.

    You never thought about that?

    No. I don’t live in a college town.

    I don’t see why that would be required. Haven’t you thought about lots of things that you haven’t actually done yourself? I mean, otherwise, wouldn’t you have had to vote fraudulently yourself, in order to think about or discuss the issue with others?

    I’ve thought about lots of things I haven’t done.  But I have thought about everything and apparently not this one.  ;)  This didn’t occur to me.  I didn’t go away to college either.  I commuted.  

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  28. Stad Coolidge
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):
    I’m OK with this for local elections.

    I’m not. Citizenship has its privileges, and to give them to people who don’t deserve it ludicrous . . .

    That will just add to the pressure to grant the illegal invaders instant citizenship to prevent the horror of denying them a vote.

    Never happen.

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