The Seinfeld Republican Party

 

If you were counting on the Republican Party to retake the House next year (overcoming extreme and unapologetic gerrymandering by Democrats in every Democrat-controlled state and phony “nonpartisan” redistricting commissions stacked with Democrat operatives) and retake the Senate despite competitive seats in North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Arizona being decided by the same junk-mail ballot processes as 2020) and maybe you were counting on that GOP Congress to turn things around after President Brandon’s first two spectacularly dreadful years… Well, don’t.

Mitch McConnell has told colleagues and donors Senate Republicans won’t release a legislative agenda before next year’s midterms, according to people who’ve attended private meetings with the minority leader.

They aren’t going to secure the borders. They aren’t going to repeal and replace Obamacare. And they most definitely are not going to control spending or repeal any of Biden’s spending. McConnell says his strategy is for Senate Republicans to promise nothing, and let the House Republicans do the heavy work of setting the agenda. We saw how this worked out under Obama. The Republican Senate only passed House legislation when they knew Obama would veto it. Such will likely by the fate of the “Parents Bill of Rights” House Republicans are touting.  Meanwhile, they cut budget deals that gave Obama everything he asked for and more.

Like Seinfeld, the Republicans are a party about nothing. Republicans have finally wised up that the only way to avoid accountability for breaking promises and betraying voters is to not make any promises in the first place.

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  1. BDB Inactive
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    @BDB

    Ekosj (View Comment):

    This is a real-time example of the two-faced nature of the Republican Party.

    Consider the looming Debt Ceiling. Here I’d Senate Minority Whip and McConnell tool John Thune…

    “We all know the debt limit has to be raised and we know the Democrats are going to be delivering the votes to do it. The question is, what’s the process?” said Senate Minority Whip John Thune (R-S.D.), McConnell’s top deputy. “I know we’ve got to raise the debt limit. And I have no intention of voting to raise the debt limit, if we enable or allow a process that enables the Democrats to do it? Again, I’m going to wait and see what the leader has to say.”

    It seems that McConnell and Schumer have worked a deal. McConnell will deliver the required 10 Republican votes to pass a rule change that will allow the Democrats to raise the Debt Ceiling on their own. So they are de facto voting to raise the debt ceiling but doing it in such a way that they won’t technically be seen to be voting to raise the debt ceiling. In exchange 10 votes and this subterfuge McConnell gets….what? Certainly nothing resembling advancing a conservative agenda. He’s expert at this back channel chicanery that gives Democrats whatever they want while deflecting attention from himself.
    They truly are despicable.

    If the GOP were the police, they would advise people to shoot themselves during muggings to keep the homicide rate down.

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  2. JoelB Member
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    MSJL (View Comment):
    Frankly, I don’t want another series of pointless government shut downs. 

    Might be nice if we could get an actual budget passed and stick with it.

    • #32
  3. Steven Seward Member
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    JoelB (View Comment):

    MSJL (View Comment):
    Frankly, I don’t want another series of pointless government shut downs.

    Might be nice if we could get an actual budget passed and stick with it.

    I’ll vote for the first guy who promises not to sign any continuing funding packages, but insists on an actual budget.  Trouble is, even the Republican electorate no longer cares about the National Debt.  Sad.

    • #33
  4. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Both parties seek to manipulate redistricting. Dems are doing in Illinois, while Republicans have done it in Texas and North Carolina. It is what it is.

    In Maryland, we had four of the eight members of the House after the 1994 elections. We are now down to one out of eight.

    Way to ignore the rest of the post.

    We know why: You support the loser strategy of doing nothing.

    Anything works for you, even voting for a man who nominates actual communists.

    Actual communist.

    Gosh Bryan, would you please cut out the personal attacks?

    Personal attacks?

    You voted for Biden.

    He nominated a communist.

    You have supported the status quo of the GOP.

     None of this is a personal attack it is the statement of facts.

     

    • #34
  5. Ed G. Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    JoelB (View Comment):

    MSJL (View Comment):
    Frankly, I don’t want another series of pointless government shut downs.

    Might be nice if we could get an actual budget passed and stick with it.

    I’ll vote for the first guy who promises not to sign any continuing funding packages, but insists on an actual budget. Trouble is, even the Republican electorate no longer cares about the National Debt. Sad.

    I’m not sure the Republican electorate no longer cares. If they’re anything like me, they still care deeply but it’s pointless to anguish over it (or vote based on it) if literally no one will do anything about it whether Republican or Democrat, whether majority or minority. I don’t believe the establishment on this issue no matter what noises they make.  

    • #35
  6. Django Member
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    @Django

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Both parties seek to manipulate redistricting. Dems are doing in Illinois, while Republicans have done it in Texas and North Carolina. It is what it is.

    In Maryland, we had four of the eight members of the House after the 1994 elections. We are now down to one out of eight.

    Way to ignore the rest of the post.

    We know why: You support the loser strategy of doing nothing.

    Anything works for you, even voting for a man who nominates actual communists.

    Actual communist.

    Gosh Bryan, would you please cut out the personal attacks?

    Personal attacks?

    You voted for Biden.

    He nominated a communist.

    You have supported the status quo of the GOP.

    None of this is a personal attack it is the statement of facts.

     

    Gotta admit that I saw no falsehoods in your comment, Bryan. Remember Truman? 

    “Give ’em Hell, Harry!”

    “I’m just telling the truth and they think it’s Hell.” 

    • #36
  7. Gary Robbins Member
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    @GaryRobbins

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Both parties seek to manipulate redistricting. Dems are doing in Illinois, while Republicans have done it in Texas and North Carolina. It is what it is.

    In Maryland, we had four of the eight members of the House after the 1994 elections. We are now down to one out of eight.

    Way to ignore the rest of the post.

    We know why: You support the loser strategy of doing nothing.

    Anything works for you, even voting for a man who nominates actual communists.

    Actual communist.

    Gosh Bryan, would you please cut out the personal attacks?

    Personal attacks?

    You voted for Biden.

    He nominated a communist.

    You have supported the status quo of the GOP.

    None of this is a personal attack it is the statement of facts.

     

    Django (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Both parties seek to manipulate redistricting. Dems are doing in Illinois, while Republicans have done it in Texas and North Carolina. It is what it is.

    In Maryland, we had four of the eight members of the House after the 1994 elections. We are now down to one out of eight.

    Way to ignore the rest of the post.

    We know why: You support the loser strategy of doing nothing.

    Anything works for you, even voting for a man who nominates actual communists.

    Actual communist.

    Gosh Bryan, would you please cut out the personal attacks?

    Personal attacks?

    You voted for Biden.

    He nominated a communist.

    You have supported the status quo of the GOP.

    None of this is a personal attack it is the statement of facts.

     

    Gotta admit that I saw no falsehoods in your comment, Bryan. Remember Truman?

    “Give ’em Hell, Harry!”

    “I’m just telling the truth and they think it’s Hell.”

    For the 47th time, or something like that, I am a Reagan Republican who abhors populism and how Trump has used crude populism to subvert and take over the Republican Party.  I have been a Republican Precinct Committee Person and a candidate for the Superior Court in Coconino County Arizona.  I have given many years to the Party of Reagan.  When I joined the Party of Reagan we were about a positive, inclusive party that was concerned about the size of government, personal freedom, national security and above all an adherence to The Rule of Law, of principles over personalities.  We can and must return to being the Party of Reagan.  Trump is an existential danger to the Republic, as shown by his refusal to accept that he lost the 2020 election and his behavior on January 6, 2021, which frankly resembles a training exercise for 2024.  The Democrats threaten our economy with their stupid policies.  However, Trump threats the Constitution itself.

    The Atlantic Magazine

    To quote from an article in Atlantic Magazine:

    TRUMP’S NEXT COUP HAS ALREADY BEGUN

    January 6 was practice. Donald Trump’s GOP is much better positioned to subvert the next election.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/01/january-6-insurrection-trump-coup-2024-election/620843/

    Liz Cheney

    “[T]here is no question that the president formed the mob, the president incited the mob, the president addressed the mob.  He lit the flame.  This is what America is not.” 

    “The president could have immediately and forcibly intervened to stop the [January 6th] violence.  He did not.  There has never been a greater betrayal by a president of the United States to his office and his oath to the Constitution.”

    Conclusion

    I am committed to the end of the Party of Trump and the restoration of the Party of Reagan.  Join us.

    • #37
  8. Vince Guerra Inactive
    Vince Guerra
    @VinceGuerra

    McConnell isn’t trying to do anything because he doesn’t want anything to change. He’s happy as a clam with Trump out of the way, conservatives being persecuted, and elections fixed to perpetuate swamp sustainability. Republican, Democrat, party affiliation makes no difference so long as the candidate puts graft ahead of liberty and bows to finance instead of God. 

    America is at war, and with few exceptions, the Republican party faithful are on the wrong side. 

    • #38
  9. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Both parties seek to manipulate redistricting. Dems are doing in Illinois, while Republicans have done it in Texas and North Carolina. It is what it is.

    In Maryland, we had four of the eight members of the House after the 1994 elections. We are now down to one out of eight.

    Way to ignore the rest of the post.

    We know why: You support the loser strategy of doing nothing.

    Anything works for you, even voting for a man who nominates actual communists.

    Actual communist.

    Gosh Bryan, would you please cut out the personal attacks?

    Personal attacks?

    You voted for Biden.

    He nominated a communist.

    You have supported the status quo of the GOP.

    None of this is a personal attack it is the statement of facts.

     

    Django (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Both parties seek to manipulate redistricting. Dems are doing in Illinois, while Republicans have done it in Texas and North Carolina. It is what it is.

    In Maryland, we had four of the eight members of the House after the 1994 elections. We are now down to one out of eight.

    Way to ignore the rest of the post.

    We know why: You support the loser strategy of doing nothing.

    Anything works for you, even voting for a man who nominates actual communists.

    Actual communist.

    Gosh Bryan, would you please cut out the personal attacks?

    Personal attacks?

    You voted for Biden.

    He nominated a communist.

    You have supported the status quo of the GOP.

    None of this is a personal attack it is the statement of facts.

     

    Gotta admit that I saw no falsehoods in your comment, Bryan. Remember Truman?

    “Give ’em Hell, Harry!”

    “I’m just telling the truth and they think it’s Hell.”

    For the 47th time, or something like that, I am a Reagan Republican who abhors populism and how Trump has used crude populism to subvert and take over the Republican Party. I have been a Republican Precinct Committee Person and a candidate for the Superior Court in Coconino County Arizona. I have given many years to the Party of Reagan. When I joined the Party of Reagan we were about a positive, inclusive party that was concerned about the size of government, personal freedom, national security and above all an adherence to The Rule of Law, of principles over personalities. We can and must return to being the Party of Reagan. Trump is an existential danger to the Republic, as shown by his refusal to accept that he lost the 2020 election and his behavior on January 6, 2021, which frankly resembles a training exercise for 2024. The Democrats threaten our economy with their stupid policies. However, Trump threats the Constitution itself.

    The Atlantic Magazine

    To quote from an article in Atlantic Magazine:

    TRUMP’S NEXT COUP HAS ALREADY BEGUN

    January 6 was practice. Donald Trump’s GOP is much better positioned to subvert the next election.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/01/january-6-insurrection-trump-coup-2024-election/620843/

    Liz Cheney

    “[T]here is no question that the president formed the mob, the president incited the mob, the president addressed the mob. He lit the flame. This is what America is not.”

    “The president could have immediately and forcibly intervened to stop the [January 6th] violence. He did not. There has never been a greater betrayal by a president of the United States to his office and his oath to the Constitution.”

    Conclusion

    I am committed to the end of the Party of Trump and the restoration of the Party of Reagan. Join us.

    Quoting a left leaning publication does not help. And it’s use belies your move in rhetoric on Jan 6. If you agree with this article, please don’t pretend you don’t think that the 6th was just a riot.

    You unapologetically voted for Biden, and as his administration wrecks the nation nary a peep. You will not go after Biden like you did Trump, even as Biden does things that are clear threats. 

     

    • #39
  10. Django Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Both parties seek to manipulate redistricting. Dems are doing in Illinois, while Republicans have done it in Texas and North Carolina. It is what it is.

    In Maryland, we had four of the eight members of the House after the 1994 elections. We are now down to one out of eight.

    Way to ignore the rest of the post.

    We know why: You support the loser strategy of doing nothing.

    Anything works for you, even voting for a man who nominates actual communists.

    Actual communist.

    Gosh Bryan, would you please cut out the personal attacks?

    Personal attacks?

    You voted for Biden.

    He nominated a communist.

    You have supported the status quo of the GOP.

    None of this is a personal attack it is the statement of facts.

     

    Django (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Both parties seek to manipulate redistricting. Dems are doing in Illinois, while Republicans have done it in Texas and North Carolina. It is what it is.

    In Maryland, we had four of the eight members of the House after the 1994 elections. We are now down to one out of eight.

    Way to ignore the rest of the post.

    We know why: You support the loser strategy of doing nothing.

    Anything works for you, even voting for a man who nominates actual communists.

    Actual communist.

    Gosh Bryan, would you please cut out the personal attacks?

    Personal attacks?

    You voted for Biden.

    He nominated a communist.

    You have supported the status quo of the GOP.

    None of this is a personal attack it is the statement of facts.

     

    Gotta admit that I saw no falsehoods in your comment, Bryan. Remember Truman?

    “Give ’em Hell, Harry!”

    “I’m just telling the truth and they think it’s Hell.”

    For the 47th time, or something like that, I am a Reagan Republican who abhors populism and how Trump has used crude populism to subvert and take over the Republican Party. I have been a Republican Precinct Committee Person and a candidate for the Superior Court in Coconino County Arizona. I have given many years to the Party of Reagan. When I joined the Party of Reagan we were about …

    TRUMP’S NEXT COUP HAS ALREADY BEGUN

    January 6 was practice. Donald Trump’s GOP is much better positioned to subvert the next election.

    Conclusion

    I am committed to the end of the Party of Trump and the restoration of the Party of Reagan. Join us.

    I have zero interest in joining a party with people like you in it. And if Trump can manage to subvert the 2024 elections and the 2022 midterms, I’m all for it. Of course, it won’t be subversion if he wins. It will just be the will of the people.

    • #40
  11. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Both parties seek to manipulate redistricting. Dems are doing in Illinois, while Republicans have done it in Texas and North Carolina. It is what it is.

    In Maryland, we had four of the eight members of the House after the 1994 elections. We are now down to one out of eight.

    Way to ignore the rest of the post.

    We know why: You support the loser strategy of doing nothing.

    Anything works for you, even voting for a man who nominates actual communists.

    Actual communist.

    Gosh Bryan, would you please cut out the personal attacks?

    Personal attacks?

    You voted for Biden.

    He nominated a communist.

    You have supported the status quo of the GOP.

    None of this is a personal attack it is the statement of facts.

     

    Django (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Both parties seek to manipulate redistricting. Dems are doing in Illinois, while Republicans have done it in Texas and North Carolina. It is what it is.

    In Maryland, we had four of the eight members of the House after the 1994 elections. We are now down to one out of eight.

    Way to ignore the rest of the post.

    We know why: You support the loser strategy of doing nothing.

    Anything works for you, even voting for a man who nominates actual communists.

    Actual communist.

    Gosh Bryan, would you please cut out the personal attacks?

    Personal attacks?

    You voted for Biden.

    He nominated a communist.

    You have supported the status quo of the GOP.

    None of this is a personal attack it is the statement of facts.

     

    Gotta admit that I saw no falsehoods in your comment, Bryan. Remember Truman?

    “Give ’em Hell, Harry!”

    “I’m just telling the truth and they think it’s Hell.”

    For the 47th time, or something like that, I am a Reagan Republican who abhors populism and how Trump has used crude populism to subvert and take over the Republican Party. I have been a Republican Precinct Committee Person and a candidate for the Superior Court in Coconino County Arizona. I have given many years to the Party of Reagan. When I joined the Party of Reagan we were about a positive, inclusive party that was concerned about the size of government, personal freedom, national security and above all an adherence to The Rule of Law, of principles over personalities. We can and must return to being the Party of Reagan. Trump is an existential danger to the Republic, as shown by his refusal to accept that he lost the 2020 election and his behavior on January 6, 2021, which frankly resembles a training exercise for 2024. The Democrats threaten our economy with their stupid policies. However, Trump threats the Constitution itself.

    The Atlantic Magazine

    To quote from an article in Atlantic Magazine:

    TRUMP’S NEXT COUP HAS ALREADY BEGUN

    January 6 was practice. Donald Trump’s GOP is much better positioned to subvert the next election.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/01/january-6-insurrection-trump-coup-2024-election/620843/

    Liz Cheney

    “[T]here is no question that the president formed the mob, the president incited the mob, the president addressed the mob. He lit the flame. This is what America is not.”

    “The president could have immediately and forcibly intervened to stop the [January 6th] violence. He did not. There has never been a greater betrayal by a president of the United States to his office and his oath to the Constitution.”

    Conclusion

    I am committed to the end of the Party of Trump and the restoration of the Party of Reagan. Join us.

    Quoting a left leaning publication does not help. And it’s use belies your move in rhetoric on Jan 6. If you agree with this article, please don’t pretend you don’t think that the 6th was just a riot.

    You unapologetically voted for Biden, and as his administration wrecks the nation nary a peep. You will not go after Biden like you did Trump, even as Biden does things that are clear threats.

    Bryan, you are ignoring my August 30. 2021 column.  I will reprint it.

    Apologies owed by (a) Biden and (b) Trump VotersEdit

    Gary RobbinsGary Robbins August 30, 202113227FOLLOWING1600 

    I assume that voters make the decision of who to vote for and who to vote against based upon all available information at the time.  There have been two major things that have happened, which were not readily foreseeable, but now that both now occurred, they need to be addressed.

    As a Biden Voter, I did not think that Biden would be as pig-headed and stubborn, and that his administration was be so incompetent.  Trump promised to leave Afghanistan but it would be hard to imagine that he could have done it worse.  (Trump also suggested that we leave Korea, and NATO.)  Every officer in the chain of command should be reverted to their last permanent rank and a letter of rebuke be placed in their file, and the most derelict face court martial’s.  Because Biden has called his own competence into question, then that under Section 4 of the 25th Amendment, Congress appoint a group of Psychiatrists and Psychologists to administer a Mental Status Exam, and, if needed, name the Vice President as Acting President pending a 2/3 affirming vote of the House and the Senate.

    Now to my Trump Voter friends, will you admit (1) that the “Stop the Steal” is the most outrageous promotion by any American President in our history, (2) that the Capitol Riot was seditious, (3) that all participants who entered the Capitol complex should be punished severely, and (4) that all members of Congress who supported the Stop the Steal on January 6th, including, but not limited to, Paul Gosar, Andy Biggs, Mo Brooks, Jim Jordan, Lauren Boebert, Majorie Taylor Greene Madison Cawthorne, Matt Goetz, Louis Gohmert, Jody Hice, Scott Perry and Senator Josh Hawley all be expelled from Congress, and that the Republican Party publicly censure both Trump and them and vow to oppose them if they every run again?  If they run again, Congress should decline to seat them, and declare their seats vacant.  If Trump runs again the Republican National Committee should refuse to count voters or delegates for him.

    I have taken my step as a Biden Voter, and I would welcome fellow Biden Voters.  I urge my Trump Voting Friends to take their step.

    The truth will set you free, but first it may make you miserable. 

    Live Not by Lies.

    • #41
  12. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Both parties seek to manipulate redistricting. Dems are doing in Illinois, while Republicans have done it in Texas and North Carolina. It is what it is.

    In Maryland, we had four of the eight members of the House after the 1994 elections. We are now down to one out of eight.

    Way to ignore the rest of the post.

    We know why: You support the loser strategy of doing nothing.

    Anything works for you, even voting for a man who nominates actual communists.

    Actual communist.

    Gosh Bryan, would you please cut out the personal attacks?

    Personal attacks?

    You voted for Biden.

    He nominated a communist.

    You have supported the status quo of the GOP.

    None of this is a personal attack it is the statement of facts.

     

    Django (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Both parties seek to manipulate redistricting. Dems are doing in Illinois, while Republicans have done it in Texas and North Carolina. It is what it is.

    In Maryland, we had four of the eight members of the House after the 1994 elections. We are now down to one out of eight.

    Way to ignore the rest of the post.

    We know why: You support the loser strategy of doing nothing.

    Anything works for you, even voting for a man who nominates actual communists.

    Actual communist.

    Gosh Bryan, would you please cut out the personal attacks?

    Personal attacks?

    You voted for Biden.

    He nominated a communist.

    You have supported the status quo of the GOP.

    None of this is a personal attack it is the statement of facts.

     

    Gotta admit that I saw no falsehoods in your comment, Bryan. Remember Truman?

    “Give ’em Hell, Harry!”

    “I’m just telling the truth and they think it’s Hell.”

    For the 47th time, or something like that, I am a Reagan Republican who abhors populism and how Trump has used crude populism to subvert and take over the Republican Party. I have been a Republican Precinct Committee Person and a candidate for the Superior Court in Coconino County Arizona. I have given many years to the Party of Reagan. When I joined the Party of Reagan we were about …

    TRUMP’S NEXT COUP HAS ALREADY BEGUN

    January 6 was practice. Donald Trump’s GOP is much better positioned to subvert the next election.

    Conclusion

    I am committed to the end of the Party of Trump and the restoration of the Party of Reagan. Join us.

    I have zero interest in joining a party with people like you in it. And if Trump can manage to subvert the 2024 elections and the 2022 midterms, I’m all for it. Of course, it won’t be subversion if he wins. It will just be the will of the people.

    Are you declaring yourself as being involved in a conspiracy to steal elections?  Are you aware that stealing an election is a crime?

    If Trump “subverts” the 2024 elections by stealing it, Trump should be impeached and removed, and the thieves who were involved in the steal should be prosecuted.  See Impeach. Remove. Bar from Office.

    If Trump “subverts” the 2022 midterms by stealing it, he and the thieves who were involved in the steal should be prosecuted and incarcerated.  

    If Trump wins by winning a majority of the votes, that is the American Way and I will support his election.  If Trump wins by stealing an election, then I will support his removal.

    If you are an elected official who supported Trump in winning an election where he has won a majority of the votes, that is the American Way.  If you are an elected official who steals an election which Trump or you lost, I will support your prosecution and incarceration.  

    • #42
  13. MSJL Thatcher
    MSJL
    @MSJL

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    I for one would love another series of government shutdowns. It’s better than never ending debt (until it does end, suddenly and violently).

    Me, too. I see nothing wrong with shutting the government down to stop spending.

     

    In case you haven’t been keeping up with current events, most of the federal government continues to function during “shut downs”, the federal employees get backpay for the time they were on the job during the shut downs, and the debt keeps piling on. 

     

    The only thing that happens when the GOP pushes a shut down is that the Democrat Administration takes it out on the taxpayers (e.g., closing open-air malls and monuments) and makes them miserable – blaming the Republicans and weakening their positions.

    The only time I ever saw one of these go the other way was when the Democrats were stupid enough to do it during the Trump Administration, and the Administration pointedly refused to close monuments, national parks, and the like, and the Dems got nothing and were shocked that they couldn’t shift the blame onto the GOP.

    I have not seen a single one of these tactics ever work.  Not a single time.  A bottom line position of the average citizen is that the government should be operating and it indicates a lack of seriousness and unaccountability when public leaders allow it to shut down, especially as a deliberate tactic.  It’s a futile gesture, and we need to drop it out of our tool bag.

    As a general matter, judging from the comments:  no one is planning on voting Republican in the next round of elections?

    • #43
  14. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Both parties seek to manipulate redistricting. Dems are doing in Illinois, while Republicans have done it in Texas and North Carolina. It is what it is.

    In Maryland, we had four of the eight members of the House after the 1994 elections. We are now down to one out of eight.

    Way to ignore the rest of the post.

    We know why: You support the loser strategy of doing nothing.

    Anything works for you, even voting for a man who nominates actual communists.

    Actual communist.

    Gosh Bryan, would you please cut out the personal attacks?

    Personal attacks?

    You voted for Biden.

    He nominated a communist.

    You have supported the status quo of the GOP.

    None of this is a personal attack it is the statement of facts.

     

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    TRUMP’S NEXT COUP HAS ALREADY BEGUN

    January 6 was practice. Donald Trump’s GOP is much better positioned to subvert the next election.

    Conclusion

    I am committed to the end of the Party of Trump and the restoration of the Party of Reagan. Join us.

    I have zero interest in joining a party with people like you in it. And if Trump can manage to subvert the 2024 elections and the 2022 midterms, I’m all for it. Of course, it won’t be subversion if he wins. It will just be the will of the people.

    Are you declaring yourself as being involved in a conspiracy to steal elections? Are you aware that stealing an election is a crime?

    If Trump “subverts” the 2024 elections by stealing it, Trump should be impeached and removed, and the thieves who were involved in the steal should be prosecuted. See Impeach. Remove. Bar from Office.

    If Trump “subverts” the 2022 midterms by stealing it, he and the thieves who were involved in the steal should be prosecuted and incarcerated.

    If Trump wins by winning a majority of the votes, that is the American Way and I will support his election. If Trump wins by stealing an election, then I will support his removal.

    If you are an elected official who supported Trump in winning an election where he has won a majority of the votes, that is the American Way. If you are an elected official who steals an election which Trump or you lost, I will support your prosecution and incarceration.

    Brain-dead Democrat talking points. Yawn. 

    BTW, regarding your claims: You are what you do, not what you sayYou helped put Biden in office. Bryan’s comments were correct. 

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  15. Terry Mott Member
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    MSJL (View Comment):

    As a general matter, judging from the comments: no one is planning on voting Republican in the next round of elections?

    I’ll vote Republican, not because I expect them to actually accomplish conservative things but just because they’re less bad than Democrats.  It used to be dispiriting and depressing to do so, but my cynicism callous is thick enough now that I’m nearly numb to it.

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  16. Gary Robbins Member
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    Django (View Comment):

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    Django (View Comment):

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    Both parties seek to manipulate redistricting. Dems are doing in Illinois, while Republicans have done it in Texas and North Carolina. It is what it is.

    In Maryland, we had four of the eight members of the House after the 1994 elections. We are now down to one out of eight.

    Way to ignore the rest of the post.

    We know why: You support the loser strategy of doing nothing.

    Anything works for you, even voting for a man who nominates actual communists.

    Actual communist.

    Gosh Bryan, would you please cut out the personal attacks?

    Personal attacks?

    You voted for Biden.

    He nominated a communist.

    You have supported the status quo of the GOP.

    None of this is a personal attack it is the statement of facts.

     

    Django (View Comment):

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    TRUMP’S NEXT COUP HAS ALREADY BEGUN

    January 6 was practice. Donald Trump’s GOP is much better positioned to subvert the next election.

    Conclusion

    I am committed to the end of the Party of Trump and the restoration of the Party of Reagan. Join us.

    I have zero interest in joining a party with people like you in it. And if Trump can manage to subvert the 2024 elections and the 2022 midterms, I’m all for it. Of course, it won’t be subversion if he wins. It will just be the will of the people.

    Are you declaring yourself as being involved in a conspiracy to steal elections? Are you aware that stealing an election is a crime?

    If Trump “subverts” the 2024 elections by stealing it, Trump should be impeached and removed, and the thieves who were involved in the steal should be prosecuted. See Impeach. Remove. Bar from Office.

    If Trump “subverts” the 2022 midterms by stealing it, he and the thieves who were involved in the steal should be prosecuted and incarcerated.

    If Trump wins by winning a majority of the votes, that is the American Way and I will support his election. If Trump wins by stealing an election, then I will support his removal.

    If you are an elected official who supported Trump in winning an election where he has won a majority of the votes, that is the American Way. If you are an elected official who steals an election which Trump or you lost, I will support your prosecution and incarceration.

    Brain-dead Democrat talking points. Yawn.

    BTW, regarding your claims: You are what you do, not what you say. You helped put Biden in office. Bryan’s comments were correct.

    Apparently you missed my Comment #41.  I will reprint it:

    Apologies owed by (a) Biden and (b) Trump VotersEdit

    Gary RobbinsGary Robbins August 30, 202113227FOLLOWING1602 

    I assume that voters make the decision of who to vote for and who to vote against based upon all available information at the time.  There have been two major things that have happened, which were not readily foreseeable, but now that both now occurred, they need to be addressed.

    As a Biden Voter, I did not think that Biden would be as pig-headed and stubborn, and that his administration was be so incompetent.  Trump promised to leave Afghanistan but it would be hard to imagine that he could have done it worse.  (Trump also suggested that we leave Korea, and NATO.)  Every officer in the chain of command should be reverted to their last permanent rank and a letter of rebuke be placed in their file, and the most derelict face court martials.  Because Biden has called his own competence into question, then that under Section 4 of the 25th Amendment, Congress appoint a group of Psychiatrists and Psychologists to administer a Mental Status Exam, and, if needed, name the Vice President as Acting President pending a 2/3 affirming vote of the House and the Senate.

    Now to my Trump Voter friends, will you admit (1) that the “Stop the Steal” is the most outrageous promotion by any American President in our history, (2) that the Capitol Riot was seditious, (3) that all participants who entered the Capitol complex should be punished severely, and (4) that all members of Congress who supported the Stop the Steal on January 6th, including, but not limited to, Paul Gosar, Andy Biggs, Mo Brooks, Jim Jordan, Lauren Boebert, Majorie Taylor Greene Madison Cawthorne, Matt Goetz, Louis Gohmert, Jody Hice, Scott Perry and Senator Josh Hawley all be expelled from Congress, and that the Republican Party publicly censure both Trump and them and vow to oppose them if they every run again?  If they run again, Congress should decline to seat them, and declare their seats vacant.  If Trump runs again the Republican National Committee should refuse to count voters or delegates for him.

    I have taken my step as a Biden Voter, and I would welcome fellow Biden Voters.  I urge my Trump Voting Friends to take their step.

    The truth will set you free, but first it may make you miserable. 

    Live Not by Lies.

    So, I have criticized Biden severely for Afghanistan.  Have you renounced the “Stop the Steal” lie, and distanced yourself from all who support that?

     

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  17. Steven Seward Member
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    MSJL (View Comment):

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    I for one would love another series of government shutdowns. It’s better than never ending debt (until it does end, suddenly and violently).

    Me, too. I see nothing wrong with shutting the government down to stop spending.

     

    In case you haven’t been keeping up with current events, most of the federal government continues to function during “shut downs”, the federal employees get backpay for the time they were on the job during the shut downs, and the debt keeps piling on.

     

    The only thing that happens when the GOP pushes a shut down is that the Democrat Administration takes it out on the taxpayers (e.g., closing open-air malls and monuments) and makes them miserable – blaming the Republicans and weakening their positions.

    The only time I ever saw one of these go the other way was when the Democrats were stupid enough to do it during the Trump Administration, and the Administration pointedly refused to close monuments, national parks, and the like, and the Dems got nothing and were shocked that they couldn’t shift the blame onto the GOP.

    I have not seen a single one of these tactics ever work. Not a single time. A bottom line position of the average citizen is that the government should be operating and it indicates a lack of seriousness and unaccountability when public leaders allow it to shut down, especially as a deliberate tactic. It’s a futile gesture, and we need to drop it out of our tool bag.

    As a general matter, judging from the comments: no one is planning on voting Republican in the next round of elections?

    I get your point, but the shutdowns never work because the side shutting down always gives up at some point.  A strong presidential leader could shut down the government without ever backing down until Congress produces a budget.  That’s unlikely to happen however, because there aren’t enough people in the electorate who demand fiscal accountability.  The entire country seems to be on a runaway debt train rolling down a mountain pass, oblivious to the inevitable crash to come.

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  18. Django Member
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    @Django

    MSJL (View Comment):

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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    I for one would love another series of government shutdowns. It’s better than never ending debt (until it does end, suddenly and violently).

    Me, too. I see nothing wrong with shutting the government down to stop spending.

     

    In case you haven’t been keeping up with current events, most of the federal government continues to function during “shut downs”, the federal employees get backpay for the time they were on the job during the shut downs, and the debt keeps piling on.

     

    The only thing that happens when the GOP pushes a shut down is that the Democrat Administration takes it out on the taxpayers (e.g., closing open-air malls and monuments) and makes them miserable – blaming the Republicans and weakening their positions.

    The only time I ever saw one of these go the other way was when the Democrats were stupid enough to do it during the Trump Administration, and the Administration pointedly refused to close monuments, national parks, and the like, and the Dems got nothing and were shocked that they couldn’t shift the blame onto the GOP.

    I have not seen a single one of these tactics ever work. Not a single time. A bottom line position of the average citizen is that the government should be operating and it indicates a lack of seriousness and unaccountability when public leaders allow it to shut down, especially as a deliberate tactic. It’s a futile gesture, and we need to drop it out of our tool bag.

    As a general matter, judging from the comments: no one is planning on voting Republican in the next round of elections?

    Voting for a Republican in CA is pointless, and I hadn’t voted for a GOP candidate for Prez since 2000. Even regretted that vote and wished I had voted for the Constitution Party candidate. I voted for Trump in 2020 and that is probably the last GOP vote I’ll ever cast unless either Trump or DeSantis is the candidate in 2024. 

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  19. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    s?

     

    Gary RobbinsGary Robbins August 30, 202113227FOLLOWING1602

    I assume that voters make the decision of who to vote for and who to vote against based upon all available information at the time. There have been two major things that have happened, which were not readily foreseeable, but now that both now occurred, they need to be addressed.

    As a Biden Voter, I did not think that Biden would be as pig-headed and stubborn, and that his administration was be so incompetent. Trump promised to leave Afghanistan but it would be hard to imagine that he could have done it worse. (Trump also suggested that we leave Korea, and NATO.) Every officer in the chain of command should be reverted to their last permanent rank and a letter of rebuke be placed in their file, and the most derelict face court martials. Because Biden has called his own competence into question, then that under Section 4 of the 25th Amendment, Congress appoint a group of Psychiatrists and Psychologists to administer a Mental Status Exam, and, if needed, name the Vice President as Acting President pending a 2/3 affirming vote of the House and the Senate.

    Now to my Trump Voter friends, will you admit (1) that the “Stop the Steal” is the most outrageous promotion by any American President in our history, (2) that the Capitol Riot was seditious, (3) that all participants who entered the Capitol complex should be punished severely, and (4) that all members of Congress who supported the Stop the Steal on January 6th, including, but not limited to, Paul Gosar, Andy Biggs, Mo Brooks, Jim Jordan, Lauren Boebert, Majorie Taylor Greene Madison Cawthorne, Matt Goetz, Louis Gohmert, Jody Hice, Scott Perry and Senator Josh Hawley all be expelled from Congress, and that the Republican Party publicly censure both Trump and them and vow to oppose them if they every run again? If they run again, Congress should decline to seat them, and declare their seats vacant. If Trump runs again the Republican National Committee should refuse to count voters or delegates for him.

    I have taken my step as a Biden Voter, and I would welcome fellow Biden Voters. I urge my Trump Voting Friends to take their step.

    The truth will set you free, but first it may make you miserable.

    Live Not by Lies.

    So, I have criticized Biden severely for Afghanistan. Have you renounced the “Stop the Steal” lie, and distanced yourself from all who support that?

     

    More nonsense. More excuses. More lies from you. Why don’t we just agree not to address each other in the future? 

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  20. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    Django (View Comment):

    Voting for a Republican in CA is pointless, and I hadn’t voted for a GOP candidate for Prez since 2000. Even regretted that vote and wished I had voted for the Constitution Party candidate. I voted for Trump in 2020 and that is probably the last GOP vote I’ll ever cast unless either Trump or DeSantis is the candidate in 2024.

    You voted for John Kerry, Hillary, and Obama twice?

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  21. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Voting for a Republican in CA is pointless, and I hadn’t voted for a GOP candidate for Prez since 2000. Even regretted that vote and wished I had voted for the Constitution Party candidate. I voted for Trump in 2020 and that is probably the last GOP vote I’ll ever cast unless either Trump or DeSantis is the candidate in 2024.

    You voted for John Kerry, Hillary, and Obama twice?

    Constitution Party or Libertarian, if I bothered to vote. Never voted for a Democrat. Never voted for Romney, McCain, or even Trump in 2016. Still happy with the decisions. 

    • #51
  22. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Django (View Comment):

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    Django (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    s?

     

    Gary RobbinsGary Robbins August 30, 202113227FOLLOWING1602

    I assume that voters make the decision of who to vote for and who to vote against based upon all available information at the time. There have been two major things that have happened, which were not readily foreseeable, but now that both now occurred, they need to be addressed.

    As a Biden Voter, I did not think that Biden would be as pig-headed and stubborn, and that his administration was be so incompetent. Trump promised to leave Afghanistan but it would be hard to imagine that he could have done it worse. (Trump also suggested that we leave Korea, and NATO.) Every officer in the chain of command should be reverted to their last permanent rank and a letter of rebuke be placed in their file, and the most derelict face court martials. Because Biden has called his own competence into question, then that under Section 4 of the 25th Amendment, Congress appoint a group of Psychiatrists and Psychologists to administer a Mental Status Exam, and, if needed, name the Vice President as Acting President pending a 2/3 affirming vote of the House and the Senate.

    Now to my Trump Voter friends, will you admit (1) that the “Stop the Steal” is the most outrageous promotion by any American President in our history, (2) that the Capitol Riot was seditious, (3) that all participants who entered the Capitol complex should be punished severely, and (4) that all members of Congress who supported the Stop the Steal on January 6th, including, but not limited to, Paul Gosar, Andy Biggs, Mo Brooks, Jim Jordan, Lauren Boebert, Majorie Taylor Greene Madison Cawthorne, Matt Goetz, Louis Gohmert, Jody Hice, Scott Perry and Senator Josh Hawley all be expelled from Congress, and that the Republican Party publicly censure both Trump and them and vow to oppose them if they every run again? If they run again, Congress should decline to seat them, and declare their seats vacant. If Trump runs again the Republican National Committee should refuse to count voters or delegates for him.

    I have taken my step as a Biden Voter, and I would welcome fellow Biden Voters. I urge my Trump Voting Friends to take their step.

    The truth will set you free, but first it may make you miserable.

    Live Not by Lies.

    So, I have criticized Biden severely for Afghanistan. Have you renounced the “Stop the Steal” lie, and distanced yourself from all who support that?

     

    More nonsense. More excuses. More lies from you. Why don’t we just agree not to address each other in the future?

    No, I am not willing to self-censure.  My suggestion is that you refrain from personally attacking me.  I am not looking to start fights, but I do not back down.  (Cue Tom Petty, “I won’t back down.”)

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  23. Django Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    More nonsense. More excuses. More lies from you. Why don’t we just agree not to address each other in the future?

    No, I am not willing to self-censure. My suggestion is that you refrain from personally attacking me. I am not looking to start fights, but I do not back down. (Cue Tom Petty, “I won’t back down.”)

    I have never personally attacked you. More lies from you. I will self-censure, as you call it, because I have no more time to waste on your nonsense. 

    • #53
  24. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Both parties seek to manipulate redistricting. Dems are doing in Illinois, while Republicans have done it in Texas and North Carolina. It is what it is.

    In Maryland, we had four of the eight members of the House after the 1994 elections. We are now down to one out of eight.

    Way to ignore the rest of the post.

    We know why: You support the loser strategy of doing nothing.

    Anything works for you, even voting for a man who nominates actual communists.

    Actual communist.

    Gosh Bryan, would you please cut out the personal attacks?

    Personal attacks?

    You voted for Biden.

    He nominated a communist.

    You have supported the status quo of the GOP.

    None of this is a personal attack it is the statement of facts.

     

    Django (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Both parties seek to manipulate redistricting. Dems are doing in Illinois, while Republicans have done it in Texas and North Carolina. It is what it is.

    In Maryland, we had four of the eight members of the House after the 1994 elections. We are now down to one out of eight.

    Way to ignore the rest of the post.

    We know why: You support the loser strategy of doing nothing.

    Anything works for you, even voting for a man who nominates actual communists.

    Actual communist.

    Gosh Bryan, would you please cut out the personal attacks?

    Personal attacks?

    You voted for Biden.

    He nominated a communist.

    You have supported the status quo of the GOP.

    None of this is a personal attack it is the statement of facts.

     

    Gotta admit that I saw no falsehoods in your comment, Bryan. Remember Truman?

    “Give ’em Hell, Harry!”

    “I’m just telling the truth and they think it’s Hell.”

    For the 47th time, or something like that, I am a Reagan Republican who abhors populism and how Trump has used crude populism to subvert and take over the Republican Party. I have been a Republican Precinct Committee Person and a candidate for the Superior Court in Coconino County Arizona. I have given many years to the Party of Reagan. When I joined the Party of Reagan we were about a positive, inclusive party that was concerned about the size of government, personal freedom, national security and above all an adherence to The Rule of Law, of principles over personalities. We can and must return to being the Party of Reagan. Trump is an existential danger to the Republic, as shown by his refusal to accept that he lost the 2020 election and his behavior on January 6, 2021, which frankly resembles a training exercise for 2024. The Democrats threaten our economy with their stupid policies. However, Trump threats the Constitution itself.

    The Atlantic Magazine

    To quote from an article in Atlantic Magazine:

    TRUMP’S NEXT COUP HAS ALREADY BEGUN

    January 6 was practice. Donald Trump’s GOP is much better positioned to subvert the next election.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/01/january-6-insurrection-trump-coup-2024-election/620843/

    Liz Cheney

    “[T]here is no question that the president formed the mob, the president incited the mob, the president addressed the mob. He lit the flame. This is what America is not.”

    “The president could have immediately and forcibly intervened to stop the [January 6th] violence. He did not. There has never been a greater betrayal by a president of the United States to his office and his oath to the Constitution.”

    Conclusion

    I am committed to the end of the Party of Trump and the restoration of the Party of Reagan. Join us.

    Quoting a left leaning publication does not help. And it’s use belies your move in rhetoric on Jan 6. If you agree with this article, please don’t pretend you don’t think that the 6th was just a riot.

    You unapologetically voted for Biden, and as his administration wrecks the nation nary a peep. You will not go after Biden like you did Trump, even as Biden does things that are clear threats.

    Bryan, you are ignoring my August 30. 2021 column. I will reprint it.

    Apologies owed by (a) Biden and (b) Trump VotersEdit

    Gary RobbinsGary Robbins August 30, 202113227FOLLOWING1600

    I assume that voters make the decision of who to vote for and who to vote against based upon all available information at the time. There have been two major things that have happened, which were not readily foreseeable, but now that both now occurred, they need to be addressed.

    As a Biden Voter, I did not think that Biden would be as pig-headed and stubborn, and that his administration was be so incompetent. Trump promised to leave Afghanistan but it would be hard to imagine that he could have done it worse. (Trump also suggested that we leave Korea, and NATO.) Every officer in the chain of command should be reverted to their last permanent rank and a letter of rebuke be placed in their file, and the most derelict face court martial’s. Because Biden has called his own competence into question, then that under Section 4 of the 25th Amendment, Congress appoint a group of Psychiatrists and Psychologists to administer a Mental Status Exam, and, if needed, name the Vice President as Acting President pending a 2/3 affirming vote of the House and the Senate.

    Now to my Trump Voter friends, will you admit (1) that the “Stop the Steal” is the most outrageous promotion by any American President in our history, (2) that the Capitol Riot was seditious, (3) that all participants who entered the Capitol complex should be punished severely, and (4) that all members of Congress who supported the Stop the Steal on January 6th, including, but not limited to, Paul Gosar, Andy Biggs, Mo Brooks, Jim Jordan, Lauren Boebert, Majorie Taylor Greene Madison Cawthorne, Matt Goetz, Louis Gohmert, Jody Hice, Scott Perry and Senator Josh Hawley all be expelled from Congress, and that the Republican Party publicly censure both Trump and them and vow to oppose them if they every run again? If they run again, Congress should decline to seat them, and declare their seats vacant. If Trump runs again the Republican National Committee should refuse to count voters or delegates for him.

    I have taken my step as a Biden Voter, and I would welcome fellow Biden Voters. I urge my Trump Voting Friends to take their step.

    The truth will set you free, but first it may make you miserable.

    Live Not by Lies.

    Not good enough. 

    Said so at the time. 

    It is you who ignored those statements.  Go read them. Unlike you, I am not going to link and then paste a quote of myself. 

     

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  25. DonG (CAGW is a hoax) Coolidge
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Newt built the 1994 takeover on the Contract With America.
    These guys aren’t even trying.

    These are hoping for a Tea Party repeat.  The independents swing to the GOP because of DNC overreach and the GOP leadership uses control to enrich themselves, while doing nothing not even oversight.

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  26. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Terry Mott (View Comment):

    MSJL (View Comment):

    As a general matter, judging from the comments: no one is planning on voting Republican in the next round of elections?

    I’ll vote Republican, not because I expect them to actually accomplish conservative things but just because they’re less bad than Democrats. It used to be dispiriting and depressing to do so, but my cynicism callous is thick enough now that I’m nearly numb to it.

    That is where I am.

    Not much choice, so I’ll do it.

    Not going to vote Democrat for sure. That is because I want change, not communism.

    • #56
  27. Hang On Member
    Hang On
    @HangOn

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    As the linked article suggests, McConnell is attempting to build as large a Republican majority as he can, and is acting in the manner that he thinks will secure that. I’m inclined to trust his political calculus more than my own. We need a solid majority going into 2024.

    Then McConnell is the last person you should want. He has absolutely no idea about the base of the Republican Party. Just look at what he’s said about the Tea Party and Trump at the beginning of this year in the wake of the impeachment where he also began castigated other Republican senators. He’s a Liz Cheney wannabe. He has his position because he has been able to raise lots of corporate money. But that’s a well that will dry up. He is an anachronism. 

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  28. Ed G. Member
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    MSJL (View Comment):

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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    I for one would love another series of government shutdowns. It’s better than never ending debt (until it does end, suddenly and violently).

    Me, too. I see nothing wrong with shutting the government down to stop spending.

     

    In case you haven’t been keeping up with current events, most of the federal government continues to function during “shut downs”, the federal employees get backpay for the time they were on the job during the shut downs, and the debt keeps piling on.

     

    The only thing that happens when the GOP pushes a shut down is that the Democrat Administration takes it out on the taxpayers (e.g., closing open-air malls and monuments) and makes them miserable – blaming the Republicans and weakening their positions.

    The only time I ever saw one of these go the other way was when the Democrats were stupid enough to do it during the Trump Administration, and the Administration pointedly refused to close monuments, national parks, and the like, and the Dems got nothing and were shocked that they couldn’t shift the blame onto the GOP.

    I have not seen a single one of these tactics ever work. Not a single time. A bottom line position of the average citizen is that the government should be operating and it indicates a lack of seriousness and unaccountability when public leaders allow it to shut down, especially as a deliberate tactic. It’s a futile gesture, and we need to drop it out of our tool bag.

    Sure, because the people wielding the tools suck in various ways. Refusing to raise the debt ceiling isn’t a “tactic”. It’s supposedly one of the vital ends we send Republicans to Washington to achieve (reversing the debt, actually). They’re not interested like we are. They’re some combination of timid, incompetent, and liars. Welcome to 2000-2020, speaking of current events. We get “blamed” for it? That should be good news if that were truly a central plank of Republicanism. You call it blame, I’d call it victory. Why can’t we sell the idea that unlimited debt is not only impossible but dangerous too? Because they don’t want to sell it; they don’t want to pursue it; they don’t want to achieve it. 

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  29. Ed G. Member
    Ed G.
    @EdG

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    More nonsense. More excuses. More lies from you. Why don’t we just agree not to address each other in the future?

    No, I am not willing to self-censure.  My suggestion is that you refrain from personally attacking me.  I am not looking to start fights, but I do not back down.  (Cue Tom Petty, “I won’t back down.”)

    Gary, referencing your actual votes and contributions (your bloviations notwithstanding) is not an attack. It’s simply what is. 

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  30. Victor Tango Kilo Member
    Victor Tango Kilo
    @VtheK

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    You unapologetically voted for Biden, and as his administration wrecks the nation nary a peep. You will not go after Biden like you did Trump, even as Biden does things that are clear threats. 

    You noticed that, too, huh? 

    I guess Biden siccing the FBI on parents for protesting at school board meetings wasn’t a “threat to democracy.”

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