Natural Immunity Is Awesome!

 

135 studies.  All tell the same story.  Natural immunity is one and done.  There are no reported cases of severe reinfection after contracting the disease.  Not a one.  Natural infection provides antibody response to 27 known COVID 19 proteins as well as a full white blood cell response (TCells and Killer Cells.)  The “Vaccine” provides antibody response to a single spike protein.  Before COVID 19, there was SARS COV1, a dangerous virus from China.   The genomes of these two COVID viruses share only 90% of their genetic map, yet those recovered from SARS COV 1 are still immune from COVID 19 seventeen years later.  So, natural immunity is both broad and lasting; one and done.  135 studies?  Why is this not being heralded around the world?

The drug giants are literally printing money.  So there is that.  Then there are the likes of Fauci.  His god-complex has become maniacal.  He’s addicted to the accolades even though he is complicit in the artificial and reckless creation of this awful virus and should actually be held to account and if not convicted, then at least exposed as the arrogant fraud that he is.  Instead, he’s found shelter in politics and realizes that the best place to defend himself is to wrap himself up in the adoration of political allies and declare himself above it all.  And then there are the Democrats who can’t help but maintain and milk a crisis, even if the crisis itself must be continually reimagined.  COVID 19 has been very very helpful to them.  Without it, they would never have won the presidency or the congress.

Now the Pharma companies, Fauci, and the complicit media are raising a panic over the Omicron COVID variant.

Hey, it’s worked so far…  Some people can’t help but follow along like lemmings.

How much longer will we allow this charade to go on?

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  1. Kozak Member
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    Great. We pretty much knew that already from past infections.

    All you have to do is get sick and not die or be seriously injured.

    Not such a great strategy for a lot of people.

     

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  2. Brian Clendinen Member
    Brian Clendinen
    @BrianClendinen

    No reinfection if the same variant. There have been plenty of people, I know two personally. Who caught both common US variants. The evidence is starting to stack up, in that it appears the rapid mutation of variants is being driven by the vaccines. 

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  3. Doug Kimball Thatcher
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    Brian Clendinen (View Comment):

    No reinfection if the same variant. There have been plenty of people, I know two personally. Who caught both common US variants. The evidence is starting to stack up, in that it appears the rapid mutation of variants is being driven by the vaccines.

    You can be re-infected, especially by a slightly altered variant, but you will have mild symptoms (if any), will recover quickly and the reinfection itself acts as a natural and optimum booster.  And yes, people with partial immunity do act as persistent reservoirs of virus with the potential for mutation.

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  4. Mark Camp Member
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    Doug,

    Thanks for the article.  If you have any written references for the claim below, could you post them?

    135 studies all show that natural immunity is one and done.

     

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  5. Doug Kimball Thatcher
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    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    Doug,

    Thanks for the article. If you have any written references for the claim below, could you post them?

    135 studies all show that natural immunity is one and done.

     

    https://brownstone.org/articles/79-research-studies-affirm-naturally-acquired-immunity-to-covid-19-documented-linked-and-quoted/

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  6. Henry Racette Contributor
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Great. We pretty much knew that already from past infections.

    All you have to do is get sick and not die or be seriously injured.

    Not such a great strategy for a lot of people.

    But a very sensible strategy for a lot of other people. Essentially all children, for example. Probably all young adults otherwise in good health. Probably most healthy adults under 40 or 50.

    PS You say “We pretty much knew that…,” but I don’t think it’s true that most people know it now. I think most people believe, as our painfully dim-witted and mendacious President* told us a few days ago, that the “best way” to protect ourselves from OMNIcron and every other variant is to get vaccinated. For a great many people, that’s probably not the case.

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  7. Ed G. Member
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    @EdG

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Great. We pretty much knew that already from past infections.

    All you have to do is get sick and not die or be seriously injured.

    Not such a great strategy for a lot of people.

    If the research and conclusions that Doug refers to are true, then that is a great strategy for most people. More than 99% of those infected, in fact. Of course that 1% is still a lot of people and for them the strategy should be different. We dont know everything but we do have some pretty good indicators of who might be in that 1%. More research should be done to make that less of a guessing game.

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  8. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    Doug Kimball: Then there are the likes of Fauci.  His god-complex has become maniacal. 

    He is a god to the left . . .

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  9. She Reagan
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    @She

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Great. We pretty much knew that already from past infections.

    All you have to do is get sick and not die or be seriously injured.

    Not such a great strategy for a lot of people.

    It’s a pretty good strategy for the young and the otherwise healthy.  The shame of the last eighteen months, IMHO, is that we (not you “we,” but political and cultural “we,”) didn’t really spend all that much time clarifying and differentiating what was what and who was who, and taking care of the most vulnerable while allowing those who weren’t to go about their business.  

    Cow One is not Cow Two, and one size does not always fit all.

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  10. Brian Clendinen Member
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    Doug Kimball (View Comment):

    Brian Clendinen (View Comment):

    No reinfection if the same variant. There have been plenty of people, I know two personally. Who caught both common US variants. The evidence is starting to stack up, in that it appears the rapid mutation of variants is being driven by the vaccines.

    You can be re-infected, especially by a slightly altered variant, but you will have mild symptoms (if any), will recover quickly and the reinfection itself acts as a natural and optimum booster. And yes, people with partial immunity do act as persistent reservoirs of virus with the potential for mutation.

    In both cases, the Delta was worse than the original. Plus I heard that same with a podcaster who got both. I am not dismissing the data that it helps a ton. Its just an important distinction.   This data should not of surprised anyone who knew the science beforehand. It was the fear pimps lying making it sound like COVID-19 was somehow different in this area because we did not know the science on this strain,  therefore to be afraid.

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  11. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Great. We pretty much knew that already from past infections.

    All you have to do is get sick and not die or be seriously injured.

    Not such a great strategy for a lot of people.

    If the research and conclusions that Doug refers to are true, then that is a great strategy for most people. More than 99% of those infected, in fact. Of course that 1% is still a lot of people and for them the strategy should be different. We dont know everything but we do have some pretty good indicators of who might be in that 1%. More research should be done to make that less of a guessing game.

    And of course, we know what can be done to treat COVID even if you do get it. But such cheap, effective drugs have been declared poisonous.

    I personally don’t know anyone who’s gotten it twice. I know a lot of vaccinated people who nevertheless got COVID. 

    What I’d like to know is if the vaccine interferes with natural immunity. Which is to say, please compare the instance of reinfection among the vaxxed vs. among the unvaxxed.

    If you got COVID, then got the shot, are you more or less likely to get it again? We should have data on this.

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  12. Flicker Coolidge
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    Brian Clendinen (View Comment):
    In both cases, the Delta was worse than the original.

    Was it really?  I thought delta was the product of vaccination.  Was delta worse that the original on the unvaccinated in the same ways and to the same degree as upon the same categories of the vaccinated?  Do we know?  Do we have accurate studies to this effect?  Do we have accurate data?

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  13. The Reticulator Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):
    I thought delta was the product of vaccination. 

    Why did you think that? 

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  14. Flicker Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    I thought delta was the product of vaccination.

    Why did you think that?

    Because that’s what virologists say.  The vaccine allows the emergence of particularly vaccine-resistant strain(s).  This is what was predicted before the delta emerged.  And afterwards, that’s what we see happening.  Here is a timeline of delta emergence.  It is clearly after the vaccines have been introduced increasingly into populations and as vaccination rates grow, the delta variant emerged.

    Also, to the point of vaccines leading to unwanted and perhaps unexpected outcomes is that for example, Trinidad for virtually no covid deaths all of 2020 and spring of 2021, when the vaccinations were started.  Then the deaths started and sharply increased.  (One person suggested that this had to do with a delay in deaths due to it being an isolated island, but this is unknowledgeable guessing: Trinidad is not isolated and is a highly populated, relatively cosmopolitan, highly traveled-to island.)

     

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  15. Gary Robbins Reagan
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Great. We pretty much knew that already from past infections.

    All you have to do is get sick and not die or be seriously injured.

    Not such a great strategy for a lot of people.

    Again, I have to say, “Kozak is right.”  Or rather, “Dr. Kozak is right.”

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  16. Locke On Member
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    Brian Clendinen (View Comment):

    No reinfection if the same variant. There have been plenty of people, I know two personally. Who caught both common US variants. The evidence is starting to stack up, in that it appears the rapid mutation of variants is being driven by the vaccines.

    Eh, no.  COVID is produced by an RNA virus, and RNA viruses mutate like crazy because RNA replication (unlike DNA) has no error checking mechanism.  As soon as SARS-COV-2 was widespread, a raft of mutant variations was inevitable.  The fastest vaccine release in history was still too slow to get ahead of that spread and mutation, and that game is totally lost at this point.  

    What the vaccines may do is allow newer strains to more quickly out-compete the older strains for which the vaccine is more effective.  This may or may not be a good thing.  Over the long haul, pathogens tend to mutate towards being more contagious (reach more hosts) but less deadly (don’t kill the hosts).  YMMV in the short run, of course.  The initial reports of Omicron being more contagious but mild in effect fit that pattern.  If so, that’s the one I want to catch, since natural immunity is always going to be more robust than what results from a vaccine targeting one or a few virus proteins.

    (I’m also totally unsurprised that Omicron popped up in Africa.  It’s a good bet that the ‘low rate’ of COVID reported in Africa is largely due to the ineffectual and/or corrupt public health systems there.  The number of mutations in Omicron suggest that it’s just the latest in a chain of local mutations that has just become visible to locations with effective reporting and RNA sequencing equipment.)

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  17. The Reticulator Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    I thought delta was the product of vaccination.

    Why did you think that?

    Because that’s what virologists say.

    Virologists say just the opposite. So now what do we do?  

    The vaccine allows the emergence of particularly vaccine-resistant strain(s). This is what was predicted before the delta emerged.

    “was predicted.” You can get away with saying anything in the passive voice.

    And afterwards, that’s what we see happening. Here is a timeline of delta emergence. It is clearly after the vaccines have been introduced increasingly into populations and as vaccination rates grow, the delta variant emerged.

    That timeline shows no such thing.  The UK has a relatively old population. SA has a relatively young population.  That was not controlled for.

    Also, to the point of vaccines leading to unwanted and perhaps unexpected outcomes is that for example, Trinidad for virtually no covid deaths all of 2020 and spring of 2021, when the vaccinations were started. Then the deaths started and sharply increased. (One person suggested that this had to do with a delay in deaths due to it being an isolated island, but this is unknowledgeable guessing: Trinidad is not isolated and is a highly populated, relatively cosmopolitan, highly traveled-to island.)

    Trinidad started vaxxing in April. Cases started taking off in August.  That’s not even as good as the rooster claiming that the sun rose because of his crowing.  

     

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  18. The Reticulator Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

     

    And afterwards, that’s what we see happening. Here is a timeline of delta emergence. It is clearly after the vaccines have been introduced increasingly into populations and as vaccination rates grow, the delta variant emerged.

    That timeline shows no such thing. The UK has a relatively old population. SA has a relatively young population. That was not controlled for.

    I should explain more. I just scanned the article around those graphs.  My comment above makes more sense if I point out that the article said you’d expect the death curve to be as high in SA as in the UK if the vax didn’t cause it.  But the more likely cause for the high death rate in the UK is the age of the population. 

    People are doing it again just this week, making foolish generalizations about omicron based on a few observations in SA. We really can’t use observations in that one country to predict what course the disease is going to take in a country with very different demographics.

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  19. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Great. We pretty much knew that already from past infections.

    All you have to do is get sick and not die or be seriously injured.

    Not such a great strategy for a lot of people.

     

    My wife got COVID and it was a mild flu apart from losing her sense of smell and taste for a while. Last year, she was tested and her Vitamin D levels were low. She took supplements and her level was normal before she got COVID. I can’t understand why our PH people are not emphasizing getting your D level up if it’s low. And being obese is a major risk factor. So we started out the pandemic by shutting down gyms. Treatments such as ivermectin have been viciously attacked by the PH folks.

    Instead of encouraging safe treatments the PH are pushing vaccines on young people who at almost no risk from COVID. This is insane and risks the emergence of a superbug. The fact that our government doesn’t recognize natural immunity just shows how screwed up our PH is.

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  20. Flicker Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    Virologists say just the opposite.

    No, they don’t.  The multiplication and prevalence of certain types of viruses that have haphazardly and inadvertently mutated to defeat the vaccinated immune system according to the evolutionary pressure caused by the leaky vaccines in a pandemic is how we got the nearly exclusive prevalence of the delta virus.

    Trinidad started vaxxing in April. Cases started taking off in August.

    This too is false according to worldometers.  Starting vaccination is a date, and achieving significant vaccination is significantly later.  Maybe it’s just a result of your interpretation of “started vaxxing” and “cases started taking off”.

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  21. Buckpasser Member
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    But I just flew to CO. Springs and had to wear my fauci face diaper.  That prevented me from COVID, flu and airplane crashes.  Why would I need anything else except my fauci face diaper?

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  22. MiMac Thatcher
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    tradition is the democracy of the dead- and the dead (millions of them in fact) clearly show that natural immunity is a fool’s choice……

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  23. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    tradition is the democracy of the dead- and the dead (millions of them in fact) clearly show that natural immunity is a fool’s choice……

    Why do you hate science?

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  24. I Walton Member
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    Some folks here are playing along with the totalitarians.  Let’s be clear.  If you are older and perhaps have health issues, get the shot. I’m 82 but healthy so got two of them.   Lost my sense of taste and smell.  My wife didn’t lose anything.  That’s it, now I’d rather just get some variant to acquire stronger immunity.   The issue is top down and dictatorship.  I do not know why that is not obvious.    

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  25. Ed G. Member
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    tradition is the democracy of the dead- and the dead (millions of them in fact) clearly show that natural immunity is a fool’s choice……

    Over 99% of the formerly infected yet still living would probably disagree. Why do your arguments tend to imply that this is Ebola level fatality rates and disagreeing is reckless and negligent? Your credibility would be stronger if you were to stop doing that and continue to advocate for the vaccines based on what we know they actually accomplish. Overselling, especially when it gets ridiculous or insulting to the mark, tends to lose you the sale.

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  26. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Over 99% of the formerly infected yet still living would probably disagree. Why do your arguments tend to imply that this is Ebola level fatality rates and disagreeing is reckless and negligent? Your credibility would be stronger if you were to stop doing that and continue to advocate for the vaccines based on what we know they actually accomplish. Overselling, especially when it gets ridiculous or insulting to the mark, tends to lose you the sale.

    She prolly works for Pfizer or Moderna.

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  27. Doug Kimball Thatcher
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    tradition is the democracy of the dead- and the dead (millions of them in fact) clearly show that natural immunity is a fool’s choice……

    Living is not for the timid.  The truth is, those who died with COVID 19 were, on average, 80 and had 2.5 serious co-morbidities.  So if you fit that profile, you have every reason to be concerned.  But if you are healthy, relatively youthful and active, you have virtually nothing to fear from any variant of COV and can live your life without fear of dying, or even suffering beyond a bad cold, from this disease.  For the young and healthy getting COVID is actually, in the long run, a good thing and provides robust protection, far better than the vaccines.  The vaccines are fine and provide some protection from a severe reaction, but they are not a panacea and come with issues.  For the young, the risk of a vaccine reaction is real.  Why bother?

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  28. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Why risk your health on a questionable vaccine that is seriously harming people if you’ve acquired immunity the old-fashioned way? It’s playing Russian Roulette on purpose.

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  29. Mark Camp Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    I thought delta was the product of vaccination.

    Why did you think that?

    Because that’s what virologists say.

    Virologists say just the opposite. So now what do we do?

    The vaccine allows the emergence of particularly vaccine-resistant strain(s). This is what was predicted before the delta emerged.

    “was predicted.” You can get away with saying anything in the passive voice.

    And afterwards, that’s what we see happening. Here is a timeline of delta emergence. It is clearly after the vaccines have been introduced increasingly into populations and as vaccination rates grow, the delta variant emerged.

    That timeline shows no such thing. The UK has a relatively old population. SA has a relatively young population. That was not controlled for.

    Also, to the point of vaccines leading to unwanted and perhaps unexpected outcomes is that for example, Trinidad for virtually no covid deaths all of 2020 and spring of 2021, when the vaccinations were started. Then the deaths started and sharply increased. (One person suggested that this had to do with a delay in deaths due to it being an isolated island, but this is unknowledgeable guessing: Trinidad is not isolated and is a highly populated, relatively cosmopolitan, highly traveled-to island.)

    Trinidad started vaxxing in April. Cases started taking off in August. That’s not even as good as the rooster claiming that the sun rose because of his crowing.

    Here is a question that everyone should ask and know the answer to:

    “Do the current mRNA vaccines promote the emergence of vaccine resistant strains?”

    As nearly as I can tell based on what I’ve read so far, the answer is, “yes, absolutely”.  I don’t think that there is any question about that among virologists.*  Those who are educated in this, please correct that statement if it’s false.

    That doesn’t mean that the vaccines “caused” the emergence of Delta or any other particular strain.

    *Ref:

    https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/scientific-blog/c-19-pandemia-quo-vadis-homo-sapiens

     

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  30. Henry Racette Contributor
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    tradition is the democracy of the dead- and the dead (millions of them in fact) clearly show that natural immunity is a fool’s choice……

    Well… no.

    Okay, I’ve always loved the idea that tradition is the way the dead get to vote (figuratively speaking, not like they do in Chicago). Chesterton, right? So a tip of the hat for that.

    But the whole vaccinate-or-don’t-vaccinate discussion is tainted by a failure to recognize the very different risk populations here. The establishment/”expert” position seems to be that everyone, regardless of their risk of getting seriously ill from the Wuhan coronavirus, should be vaccinated.

    The reality, and what we’ve known for well over a year, is that there are substantial cohorts that are at essentially no risk from this virus. What we have also learned is that immunity acquired through infection is almost certainly superior to that conveyed via vaccination.

    So it almost certainly doesn’t make sense to vaccinate children. The vaccines are likely to be limited in their scope and require periodic boosters to adjust to new variants. Why place children on a path that will require continual future re-vaccination when they can simply acquire immunity in childhood and, very likely, be done with it?

    On the other hand, the elderly, the morbidly obese, and the otherwise immunocompromised should probably get vaccinated for their own good — not for my good, not for the good of their fellow citizens, but for their own wellbeing. Given the diminished immune response in the elderly and immunocompromised, it might not do them a lot of good. Given the likelihood of continuing mutations of the virus, it might not do them a lot of good. But it seems a sensible precautionary measure for people in moderate to high risk groups.

    On the other other hand…

    If a variant comes along that is spectacularly benign and yet reasonably contagious, it might be best for even at-risk people to simply catch that and get a more robust immunity. Of course, that may well happen to the vaccinated in any case, as the vaccines are likely more variant-specific than is natural immunity.

    Anyway, for half the population, natural immunity is probably the smart choice, rather than the fool’s choice.

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