Insanity, Squared

 

Did you know that the government of Germany has approved assisted suicide, or the correct term, euthanasia? And with Germany’s recent history in mind, that makes the idea of medical professionals (whose Hippocratic oath demands that they “First, do no harm”) being directed to help people to die even more horrific than it already is.

A Townhall story tells of a new policy put out by the German Euthanasia Association requiring that patients who wish to access German euthanasia clinics’ services must be vaccinated against the COVID-19 virus! So, the Germans, who already have a sinister history of mass murder, are requiring that their assisted-suicide clients be vaccinated against the virus (which is no threat to people already wishing to terminate their own lives). Apparently to “protect” clinic staff.

The German Euthanasia Association announced that unvaccinated patients will not be able to end their lives with the help of a German euthanasia clinic over fears that one of their doctors could become infected with COVID-19.

Euthanasia is already insanity, going against the sacredness of all human life. This new policy is insanity squared. The story left me shaking my head in dismay. How can intelligent people be in favor of such a disgusting policy? Maybe they’re not so intelligent after all and have forgotten the horrors of the Holocaust. Obviously, they care more for themselves than their patients. This seems to go right along with the policies of the German Catholic bishops, who support homosexuality and have decided to allow “marriage” between people of the same sex. Both policies are antithetical to the survival of the human race. Germany should be ashamed.

[cross-posted at RushBabe49.com]

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  1. Rodin Member
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    When I first came across this story the irony screamed at me. But then again the idea of controlling everyone and destroying their lives and future to protect a relatively small number of people at risk of severe disease or death put irony to the test from the get go. 

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  2. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    And the RedState story did not even mention the Holocaust.  Maybe it went over their heads, too, in their concentration on the CCP virus.

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  3. Percival Thatcher
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    RushBabe49:

    Germany should be ashamed.

     

    It is a post-shame society.

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  4. BDB Coolidge
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    I realize that the more religious folks have Very Good Reasons to oppose it, but “Death with Dignity” means exactly what it says.  My whole family is on board with not becoming a 150-lb infant or a familiar-looking creature who lives in terror and attacks those who try to help.

    I don;t know about the German law — maybe they are eating puppies too.  New Mexico finally got DwD passed after a couple of court cases surfaced and then (um) killed it.  Too bad it didn’t come in time for my own use case.

    And attacking Germany for Nazi crimes at this point is like attacking the US for slavery, minus the leading and costliest  (but not foremost) role that the US played in abolishing it.  I’m all for stringing up Nazis and their apologists by the nuts, but you would be hard-pressed to say that Germany for the last many decades has some sort of holocausty bent.  There are approzimately ZERO people alive now who were even into their teens during World War II.

    The COVID requirement seems silly, and I’m glad to lump it in with other literally ridiculous COVID nonsense.  Just the same, if you’re on death’s doorstep and looking for relief, the vax will probably kill you.  So what’s not to like?

      Doses 1 and 2 had me down for days, and I’m young and healthy. 

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  5. The Reticulator Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    I realize that the more religious folks have Very Good Reasons to oppose it, but “Death with Dignity” means exactly what it says. My whole family is on board with not becoming a 150-lb infant or a familiar-looking creature who lives in terror and attacks those who try to help.

    I don;t know about the German law — maybe they are eating puppies too. New Mexico finally got DwD passed after a couple of court cases surfaced and then (um) killed it. Too bad it didn’t come in time for my own use case.

    And attacking Germany for Nazi crimes at this point is like attacking the US for slavery, minus the leading and costliest (but not foremost) role that the US played in abolishing it. I’m all for stringing up Nazis and their apologists by the nuts, but you would be hard-pressed to say that Germany for the last many decades has some sort of holocausty bent. There are approzimately ZERO people alive now who were even into their teens during World War II.

    The COVID requirement seems silly, and I’m glad to lump it in with other literally ridiculous COVID nonsense. Just the same, if you’re on death’s doorstep and looking for relief, the vax will probably kill you. So what’s not to like?

    Doses 1 and 2 had me down for days, and I’m young and healthy.

    I don’t go to doctors and hospitals to get dignity.

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  6. BDB Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    I realize that the more religious folks have Very Good Reasons to oppose it, but “Death with Dignity” means exactly what it says. My whole family is on board with not becoming a 150-lb infant or a familiar-looking creature who lives in terror and attacks those who try to help.

    I don;t know about the German law — maybe they are eating puppies too. New Mexico finally got DwD passed after a couple of court cases surfaced and then (um) killed it. Too bad it didn’t come in time for my own use case.

    And attacking Germany for Nazi crimes at this point is like attacking the US for slavery, minus the leading and costliest (but not foremost) role that the US played in abolishing it. I’m all for stringing up Nazis and their apologists by the nuts, but you would be hard-pressed to say that Germany for the last many decades has some sort of holocausty bent. There are approzimately ZERO people alive now who were even into their teens during World War II.

    The COVID requirement seems silly, and I’m glad to lump it in with other literally ridiculous COVID nonsense. Just the same, if you’re on death’s doorstep and looking for relief, the vax will probably kill you. So what’s not to like?

    Doses 1 and 2 had me down for days, and I’m young and healthy.

    I don’t go to doctors and hospitals to get dignity.

    There’s always the old-fashioned blow my brains out in a field, which is the default option.

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  7. kedavis Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    I realize that the more religious folks have Very Good Reasons to oppose it, but “Death with Dignity” means exactly what it says. My whole family is on board with not becoming a 150-lb infant or a familiar-looking creature who lives in terror and attacks those who try to help.

    I don;t know about the German law — maybe they are eating puppies too. New Mexico finally got DwD passed after a couple of court cases surfaced and then (um) killed it. Too bad it didn’t come in time for my own use case.

    And attacking Germany for Nazi crimes at this point is like attacking the US for slavery, minus the leading and costliest (but not foremost) role that the US played in abolishing it. I’m all for stringing up Nazis and their apologists by the nuts, but you would be hard-pressed to say that Germany for the last many decades has some sort of holocausty bent. There are approzimately ZERO people alive now who were even into their teens during World War II.

    The COVID requirement seems silly, and I’m glad to lump it in with other literally ridiculous COVID nonsense. Just the same, if you’re on death’s doorstep and looking for relief, the vax will probably kill you. So what’s not to like?

    Doses 1 and 2 had me down for days, and I’m young and healthy.

    I don’t go to doctors and hospitals to get dignity.

    There’s always the old-fashioned blow my brains out in a field, which is the default option.

    I dunno, that doesn’t sound very dignified.  Aside from difficulties such as access to a gun, access to a field, being able to get out there and hold the gun yourself…   lots of people in that situation can’t do any of that themselves.

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  8. The Reticulator Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    I realize that the more religious folks have Very Good Reasons to oppose it, but “Death with Dignity” means exactly what it says. My whole family is on board with not becoming a 150-lb infant or a familiar-looking creature who lives in terror and attacks those who try to help.

    I don;t know about the German law — maybe they are eating puppies too. New Mexico finally got DwD passed after a couple of court cases surfaced and then (um) killed it. Too bad it didn’t come in time for my own use case.

    And attacking Germany for Nazi crimes at this point is like attacking the US for slavery, minus the leading and costliest (but not foremost) role that the US played in abolishing it. I’m all for stringing up Nazis and their apologists by the nuts, but you would be hard-pressed to say that Germany for the last many decades has some sort of holocausty bent. There are approzimately ZERO people alive now who were even into their teens during World War II.

    The COVID requirement seems silly, and I’m glad to lump it in with other literally ridiculous COVID nonsense. Just the same, if you’re on death’s doorstep and looking for relief, the vax will probably kill you. So what’s not to like?

    Doses 1 and 2 had me down for days, and I’m young and healthy.

    I don’t go to doctors and hospitals to get dignity.

    There’s always the old-fashioned blow my brains out in a field, which is the default option.

    Yup.  Why turn healers into killers when there are other people who are fully capable in that line of work?  

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  9. Randy Webster Member
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    Sounds like “Ethical Suicide Parlors” to me.

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  10. kedavis Member
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  11. The Reticulator Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    I realize that the more religious folks have Very Good Reasons to oppose it, but “Death with Dignity” means exactly what it says. My whole family is on board with not becoming a 150-lb infant or a familiar-looking creature who lives in terror and attacks those who try to help.

    I don;t know about the German law — maybe they are eating puppies too. New Mexico finally got DwD passed after a couple of court cases surfaced and then (um) killed it. Too bad it didn’t come in time for my own use case.

    And attacking Germany for Nazi crimes at this point is like attacking the US for slavery, minus the leading and costliest (but not foremost) role that the US played in abolishing it. I’m all for stringing up Nazis and their apologists by the nuts, but you would be hard-pressed to say that Germany for the last many decades has some sort of holocausty bent. There are approzimately ZERO people alive now who were even into their teens during World War II.

    The COVID requirement seems silly, and I’m glad to lump it in with other literally ridiculous COVID nonsense. Just the same, if you’re on death’s doorstep and looking for relief, the vax will probably kill you. So what’s not to like?

    Doses 1 and 2 had me down for days, and I’m young and healthy.

    I don’t go to doctors and hospitals to get dignity.

    There’s always the old-fashioned blow my brains out in a field, which is the default option.

    I dunno, that doesn’t sound very dignified. Aside from difficulties such as access to a gun, access to a field, being able to get out there and hold the gun yourself… lots of people in that situation can’t do any of that themselves.

    There are people you can hire. 

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  12. Randy Webster Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    I realize that the more religious folks have Very Good Reasons to oppose it, but “Death with Dignity” means exactly what it says. My whole family is on board with not becoming a 150-lb infant or a familiar-looking creature who lives in terror and attacks those who try to help.

    I don;t know about the German law — maybe they are eating puppies too. New Mexico finally got DwD passed after a couple of court cases surfaced and then (um) killed it. Too bad it didn’t come in time for my own use case.

    And attacking Germany for Nazi crimes at this point is like attacking the US for slavery, minus the leading and costliest (but not foremost) role that the US played in abolishing it. I’m all for stringing up Nazis and their apologists by the nuts, but you would be hard-pressed to say that Germany for the last many decades has some sort of holocausty bent. There are approzimately ZERO people alive now who were even into their teens during World War II.

    The COVID requirement seems silly, and I’m glad to lump it in with other literally ridiculous COVID nonsense. Just the same, if you’re on death’s doorstep and looking for relief, the vax will probably kill you. So what’s not to like?

    Doses 1 and 2 had me down for days, and I’m young and healthy.

    I don’t go to doctors and hospitals to get dignity.

    There’s always the old-fashioned blow my brains out in a field, which is the default option.

    I dunno, that doesn’t sound very dignified. Aside from difficulties such as access to a gun, access to a field, being able to get out there and hold the gun yourself… lots of people in that situation can’t do any of that themselves.

    There are people you can hire.

    Also, I’d like to make it look like and accident so my wife wouldn’t lose any insurance benefits.

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  13. Full Size Tabby Member
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    RushBabe49: A story on RedState.com today, tells of a new policy put out by the German Euthanasia Clinics, requiring that patients who wish to access the clinics’ services, must be vaccinated against the CCP Virus!  

     

    From the linked Townhall article:

    The German Euthanasia Association announced that unvaccinated patients will not be able to end their lives with the help of a German euthanasia clinic over fears that one of their doctors could become infected with COVID-19.

     

    We really need some public clarification of whether covid vaccination does or does not reduce virus transmission. That is the key issue in the increasingly acrimonious arguments over vaccination mandates.

    When covid vaccines were first being rolled out all the people of authority told us the public that if we got vaccinated we would not transmit the virus to those around us.

    But then many months later the message from many of the people in authority started to change to say that covid vaccinated people could still transmit the virus. But this change of message has been done quietly, so I’m not really sure if that is authoritative. The German Euthanasia Association seems to have concluded that the vaccine does reduce transmission to others. And vast numbers of people have not heard the changed message.

    So, what is the truth? The covid vaccines have been out for almost a year, so there ought to be data. Why is there so much uncertainty about whether covid-vaccinated people transmit the virus to others?

    Nonetheless, requiring a person who is engaging in the act of killing himself to be vaccinated against a disease he would get only if he continued living does have a certain amount of insane irony to it.

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  14. BDB Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    I dunno, that doesn’t sound very dignified.  Aside from difficulties such as access to a gun, access to a field, being able to get out there and hold the gun yourself…   lots of people in that situation can’t do any of that themselves.

    You begin to make my point.

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  15. The Reticulator Member
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    RushBabe49: A story on RedState.com today, tells of a new policy put out by the German Euthanasia Clinics, requiring that patients who wish to access the clinics’ services, must be vaccinated against the CCP Virus!

     

    From the linked Townhall article:

    The German Euthanasia Association announced that unvaccinated patients will not be able to end their lives with the help of a German euthanasia clinic over fears that one of their doctors could become infected with COVID-19.

     

    We really need some public clarification of whether covid vaccination does or does not reduce virus transmission. That is the key issue in the increasingly acrimonious arguments over vaccination mandates.

    What do you mean by “public clarification?”  

    When covid vaccines were first being rolled out all the people of authority told us the public that if we got vaccinated we would not transmit the virus to those around us.

    How could anyone know what “all the people of authority” told us?  Who decides what a person of authority even is? 

    From the very first test results, we knew that none of the vaccines was 100 percent effective. They were pretty good, but not that kind of good.  Whether the people who provided those data were “people of authority,” though, I have no idea. 

    So did anyone expect that people who got vaccinated and got covid anyway would not transmit the disease?  The question never even occurred to me, because I had no idea how that could work.  I assumed that anyone who got the disease would transmit it.  So I don’t know if that’s what people are talking about or not.  

    But then many months later the message from many of the people in authority started to change to say that covid vaccinated people could still transmit the virus. But this change of message has been done quietly, so I’m not really sure if that is authoritative. The German Euthanasia Association seems to have concluded that the vaccine does reduce transmission to others. And vast numbers of people have not heard the changed message.

    Again, who are these mysterious “people in authority?”  This is an unanswerable question unless we know who they are. 

    So, what is the truth? The covid vaccines have been out for almost a year, so there ought to be data. Why is there so much uncertainty about whether covid-vaccinated people transmit the virus to others?

    So first you ask whether vaccination reduces transmission, and now you’re asking about whether covid-vaccinated people transmit the virus.  Those are two very different questions.  They are related questions, but the answer to the first does not provide the answer to the 2nd.  If we expect consistent answers, maybe we need to ask consistent questions. 

    (Personally, I’m suspicious of consistent answers. They sound too much like an orchestrated propaganda campaign, and I don’t like those. If people change their mind on the basis of new information, even if less-than-definitive information, that’s a sign they may have some socially redeeming value.)

    Nonetheless, requiring a person who is engaging in the act of killing himself to be vaccinated against a disease he would get only if he continued living does have a certain amount of insane irony to it.

    Yes, indeed. 

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  16. Hans Gruber Pfizer President Inactive
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    Germans make great villains.

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  17. Hugh Member
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    Hans Gruber Pfizer President (View Comment):

    Germans make great villains.

    And they’ll never let you forget it!

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  18. tigerlily Member
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    I guess what I take away from this is this – In Germany, if you wish to end your life, the first step is to take the COVID vaccine which somehow seem apt.

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  19. Old Bathos Moderator
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    You would think that a safely isolated chamber used for killing would be old hat for them.

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  20. kedavis Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    I dunno, that doesn’t sound very dignified. Aside from difficulties such as access to a gun, access to a field, being able to get out there and hold the gun yourself… lots of people in that situation can’t do any of that themselves.

    You begin to make my point.

    Which is what?  That people who are unable to kill themselves, must nonetheless do it themselves?

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  21. kedavis Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    You would think that a safely isolated chamber used for killing would be old hat for them.

    But to be fair, some US states have more recent experience with gas chambers.

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  22. Hans Gruber Pfizer President Inactive
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    tigerlily (View Comment):

    I guess what I take away from this is this – In Germany, if you wish to end your life, the first step is to take the COVID vaccine which somehow seem apt.

    Take the vax or we shoot you.

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  23. kedavis Member
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    Hans Gruber Pfizer President (View Comment):

    tigerlily (View Comment):

    I guess what I take away from this is this – In Germany, if you wish to end your life, the first step is to take the COVID vaccine which somehow seem apt.

    Take the vax or we shoot you.

    And then all they have to do is not take the vax, and they get what they wanted!

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  24. Stad Coolidge
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    RushBabe49: that makes the idea of medical professionals (whose Hippocratic oath demands that they “First, do no harm”)

    I read somewhere the Oath is not required, only licensing by the state.  Maybe some states require the Oath . . .

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  25. BDB Coolidge
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    RushBabe49: […] makes the idea of medical professionals (whose Hippocratic oath demands that they “First, do no harm”) being directed to help people to die even more horrific[…]

    My mother died in prolonged agony.  Needless suffering for a terminal patient.  That was harm.  I don’t intend to hold somebody accountable for every un-taken action (think Rules for Robots), but in specific cases, I view the withholding of a merciful end from a miserably dying person an act of harm.  I know it’s difficult, andI know it’s complicated.  But harm it is.

    I therefore support legislation to enable a dignified death, as opposed to dying like an animal.  Animals we are, but humans as well.

    Equating responsible death with dignity with Nazi gas chambers is taking Buckley’s Boy Scout to another dimension of inappropriate.

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  26. The Reticulator Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    RushBabe49: […] makes the idea of medical professionals (whose Hippocratic oath demands that they “First, do no harm”) being directed to help people to die even more horrific[…]

    My mother died in prolonged agony. Needless suffering for a terminal patient. That was harm. I don’t intend to hold somebody accountable for every un-taken action (think Rules for Robots), but in specific cases, I view the withholding of a merciful end from a miserably dying person an act of harm. I know it’s difficult, andI know it’s complicated. But harm it is.

    I therefore support legislation to enable a dignified death, as opposed to dying like an animal. Animals we are, but humans as well.

    Equating responsible death with dignity with Nazi gas chambers is taking Buckley’s Boy Scout to another dimension of inappropriate.

    The problem is, you’re not going to get the one without the other.  So equating a bucket of marbles with a pail of fish is wrong, but what about comparing a bucket of marbles with a bucket full of fish and marbles?  

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  27. BDB Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    BDB: Equating responsible death with dignity with Nazi gas chambers is taking Buckley’s Boy Scout to another dimension of inappropriate.

    The problem is, you’re not going to get the one without the other.  So equating a bucket of marbles with a pail of fish is wrong, but what about comparing a bucket of marbles with a bucket full of fish and marbles?  

    That’s flat horse manure.  That’s a ridiculous unsubstantiated claim.

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  28. Charles Mark Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    RushBabe49: […] makes the idea of medical professionals (whose Hippocratic oath demands that they “First, do no harm”) being directed to help people to die even more horrific[…]

    My mother died in prolonged agony. Needless suffering for a terminal patient. That was harm. I don’t intend to hold somebody accountable for every un-taken action (think Rules for Robots), but in specific cases, I view the withholding of a merciful end from a miserably dying person an act of harm. I know it’s difficult, andI know it’s complicated. But harm it is.

    I therefore support legislation to enable a dignified death, as opposed to dying like an animal. Animals we are, but humans as well.

    Equating responsible death with dignity with Nazi gas chambers is taking Buckley’s Boy Scout to another dimension of inappropriate.

    One of the lawyers arguing against the Mississippi abortion law in the Supreme Court today claimed that upholding it could lead to a “slippery slope”   of further restrictions on abortion. I have argued that introduction of euthanasia in Ireland (now an inevitability as we go further and further in pursuit of progressivism) would lead to a slippery slope towards inadequate restraints on the practice- and pressure on old and infirm people not to be “a burden on society”. Lies, they cry! There’s no such thing as a slippery slope! You’re scaremongering! 

    To me, hearing the argument made by a progressive (admittedly in a different context) is like finding the end of the rhetorical rainbow. 

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  29. Percival Thatcher
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    Charles Mark (View Comment):

    I have argued that introduction of euthanasia in Ireland (now an inevitability as we go further and further in pursuit of progressivism) would lead to a slippery slope towards inadequate restraints on the practice- and pressure on old and infirm people not to be “a burden on society”. Lies, they cry! There’s no such thing as a slippery slope! You’re scaremongering! 

     

    There is nothing more certain than this.

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  30. kedavis Member
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    Charles Mark (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    RushBabe49: […] makes the idea of medical professionals (whose Hippocratic oath demands that they “First, do no harm”) being directed to help people to die even more horrific[…]

    My mother died in prolonged agony. Needless suffering for a terminal patient. That was harm. I don’t intend to hold somebody accountable for every un-taken action (think Rules for Robots), but in specific cases, I view the withholding of a merciful end from a miserably dying person an act of harm. I know it’s difficult, andI know it’s complicated. But harm it is.

    I therefore support legislation to enable a dignified death, as opposed to dying like an animal. Animals we are, but humans as well.

    Equating responsible death with dignity with Nazi gas chambers is taking Buckley’s Boy Scout to another dimension of inappropriate.

    One of the lawyers arguing against the Mississippi abortion law in the Supreme Court today claimed that upholding it could lead to a “slippery slope” of further restrictions on abortion. I have argued that introduction of euthanasia in Ireland (now an inevitability as we go further and further in pursuit of progressivism) would lead to a slippery slope towards inadequate restraints on the practice- and pressure on old and infirm people not to be “a burden on society”. Lies, they cry! There’s no such thing as a slippery slope! You’re scaremongering!

    To me, hearing the argument made by a progressive (admittedly in a different context) is like finding the end of the rhetorical rainbow.

    I for one find the idea of a slippery slope leading to further restrictions on abortion, far less troubling than the slippery slope we’ve been on since at least 1973.

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