Biden Might Rescind Vaccine Mandate. It’s Still Bad.

 

President Joe Biden and his communist handlers have hinted that they would rescind their “mandate” for even federal employees to be vaccinated. Many people might be hollering “Yippee! Yahoo!” Not me.

They don’t really care if you get vaccinated, and that was never what this was about. It was about wielding power, and they did. They proved to everyone that they could force us to get vaccinated, and companies across this country would scrape and bow and enforce their distinctly un-American dictates.

This was an escalation of the “Dear Colleague letter” that former President Barack Obama’s administration sent out, requiring by unofficial correspondence that universities establish kangaroo courts to persecute men who are accused of assault by (mostly) politically inspired women. We are learning that our institutions, our employers, and our fellow countrymen no longer share our American values that laws should be enacted by due process, even if not by legislation.

The Republican Party needs to campaign on this. The GOP needs the people to understand it. We need to change this. We need to make it a cause of action to sue in court when someone issues such a threatening mandate, and when someone obeys such a threatening mandate.

I doubt the party will. The GOP is probably wondering how it can use that tactic.

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):
    I tend to see this more as a PR move to avoid walking people out before the holidays more than a response to courts and public backlash

    I agree. It’s like a guy getting beaten in the face, kidneys, and gut and the thug takes a break from beating him in the face, and the guy thinks this is a victory. It’s just a redirection by the one doing the beating.

    This is a temporary cessation. Once Christmas is over, the beatings to the face will resume. In the mean time, has shipping returned to normal? Are pipelines being opened? Are government calls to mask continually being lifted? Are we getting better news from the government and its Press about covid waning? No.

    Do they think they won’t pay for that in the mid-terms?

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  2. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Absolutely. They knew that if they made the threat, businesses would comply out of fear, and they could get private business to do what they knew they constitutionally could not. (This has become a regular tactic with this administration.)

    I actually think it was more a case that large corporations wanted to mandate vaccination, but they wanted the cover that the government was forcing them into it. The Brandon administration was happy to oblige the large corporations.

    While I agree that the tail is often wagging the dog, I think this administration has regularly counted upon its corporate allies to do its dirty work. And in this particular case, I think the White House was doing the wagging.

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  3. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    I’m just aghast at how few seem to be comfortable with this political victory.  I’d hate to see this thread if we had lost the vaccine mandate battle.

    It’s not a victory yet.

    It becomes a victory when every last Commie is rooted out of the federal bureaucracy.

    I’m with Philo on this . . .

    philo (View Comment):
    Reading between the lines, I tend to see this more as a PR move to avoid walking people out before the holidays more than a response to courts and public backlash…and it is all wrapped up in a tight little Talking Points Memo to the press to help push the narrative.

    Yeah . . . this is a pause before the holidays. Firing everyone before Christmas is really bad PR for everyone involved.

    Just wait until this comes zooming back in January.

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    I’m just aghast at how few seem to be comfortable with this political victory. I’d hate to see this thread if we had lost the vaccine mandate battle.

    It’s not a victory yet.

    It becomes a victory when every last Commie is rooted out of the federal bureaucracy.

    I’m with Philo on this . . .

    philo (View Comment):
    Reading between the lines, I tend to see this more as a PR move to avoid walking people out before the holidays more than a response to courts and public backlash…and it is all wrapped up in a tight little Talking Points Memo to the press to help push the narrative.

    Yeah . . . this is a pause before the holidays. Firing everyone before Christmas is really bad PR for everyone involved.

    Just wait until this comes zooming back in January.

    Do they think they won’t pay for that in the mid-terms?

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    philo (View Comment):
    I tend to see this more as a PR move to avoid walking people out before the holidays more than a response to courts and public backlash

    I agree. It’s like a guy getting beaten in the face, kidneys, and gut and the thug takes a break from beating him in the face, and the guy thinks this is a victory. It’s just a redirection by the one doing the beating.

    This is a temporary cessation. Once Christmas is over, the beatings to the face will resume. In the mean time, has shipping returned to normal? Are pipelines being opened? Are government calls to mask continually being lifted? Are we getting better news from the government and its Press about covid waning? No.

    Do they think they won’t pay for that in the mid-terms?

    I’m not sure yet who’s doing the counting for the mid-terms.

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  6. The Reticulator Member
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    I tend to see this more as a PR move to avoid walking people out before the holidays more than a response to courts and public backlash

    I agree. It’s like a guy getting beaten in the face, kidneys, and gut and the thug takes a break from beating him in the face, and the guy thinks this is a victory. It’s just a redirection by the one doing the beating.

    This is a temporary cessation. Once Christmas is over, the beatings to the face will resume. In the mean time, has shipping returned to normal? Are pipelines being opened? Are government calls to mask continually being lifted? Are we getting better news from the government and its Press about covid waning? No.

    Just like Native Americans of earlier centuries and college football players of today, conservatives have a bad habit of doing a victory dance after a successful round of battle, thereby disrupting their focus and losing valuable time that should instead be spent preparing for the next and bigger battle. 

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    Do they think they won’t pay for that in the mid-terms?

    Yes, because they’ll stuff the ballot boxes again.

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  8. kedavis Coolidge
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    I tend to see this more as a PR move to avoid walking people out before the holidays more than a response to courts and public backlash

    I agree. It’s like a guy getting beaten in the face, kidneys, and gut and the thug takes a break from beating him in the face, and the guy thinks this is a victory. It’s just a redirection by the one doing the beating.

    This is a temporary cessation. Once Christmas is over, the beatings to the face will resume. In the mean time, has shipping returned to normal? Are pipelines being opened? Are government calls to mask continually being lifted? Are we getting better news from the government and its Press about covid waning? No.

    Just like Native Americans of earlier centuries and college football players of today, conservatives have a bad habit of doing a victory dance after a successful round of battle, thereby disrupting their focus and losing valuable time that should instead be spent preparing for the next and bigger battle.

    Or a victory dance even if it’s not really a successful round of battle.

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    I tend to see this more as a PR move to avoid walking people out before the holidays more than a response to courts and public backlash

    I agree. It’s like a guy getting beaten in the face, kidneys, and gut and the thug takes a break from beating him in the face, and the guy thinks this is a victory. It’s just a redirection by the one doing the beating.

    This is a temporary cessation. Once Christmas is over, the beatings to the face will resume. In the mean time, has shipping returned to normal? Are pipelines being opened? Are government calls to mask continually being lifted? Are we getting better news from the government and its Press about covid waning? No.

    Just like Native Americans of earlier centuries and college football players of today, conservatives have a bad habit of doing a victory dance after a successful round of battle, thereby disrupting their focus and losing valuable time that should instead be spent preparing for the next and bigger battle.

    Or a victory dance even if it’s not really a successful round of battle.

    A failure to recognize success where it occurs is not a winning strategy, either.

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    I tend to see this more as a PR move to avoid walking people out before the holidays more than a response to courts and public backlash

    I agree. It’s like a guy getting beaten in the face, kidneys, and gut and the thug takes a break from beating him in the face, and the guy thinks this is a victory. It’s just a redirection by the one doing the beating.

    This is a temporary cessation. Once Christmas is over, the beatings to the face will resume. In the mean time, has shipping returned to normal? Are pipelines being opened? Are government calls to mask continually being lifted? Are we getting better news from the government and its Press about covid waning? No.

    Just like Native Americans of earlier centuries and college football players of today, conservatives have a bad habit of doing a victory dance after a successful round of battle, thereby disrupting their focus and losing valuable time that should instead be spent preparing for the next and bigger battle.

    Or just thinking they won.

    But how did the indigenous inhabitants of North America do this?  Was this before Europeans first arrived?

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    I tend to see this more as a PR move to avoid walking people out before the holidays more than a response to courts and public backlash

    I agree. It’s like a guy getting beaten in the face, kidneys, and gut and the thug takes a break from beating him in the face, and the guy thinks this is a victory. It’s just a redirection by the one doing the beating.

    This is a temporary cessation. Once Christmas is over, the beatings to the face will resume. In the mean time, has shipping returned to normal? Are pipelines being opened? Are government calls to mask continually being lifted? Are we getting better news from the government and its Press about covid waning? No.

    Just like Native Americans of earlier centuries and college football players of today, conservatives have a bad habit of doing a victory dance after a successful round of battle, thereby disrupting their focus and losing valuable time that should instead be spent preparing for the next and bigger battle.

    Or a victory dance even if it’s not really a successful round of battle.

    A failure to recognize success where it occurs is not a winning strategy, either.

    Will you admit that it wasn’t a success if it comes roaring back after the holidays?

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  12. Skyler Coolidge
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    I tend to see this more as a PR move to avoid walking people out before the holidays more than a response to courts and public backlash

    I agree. It’s like a guy getting beaten in the face, kidneys, and gut and the thug takes a break from beating him in the face, and the guy thinks this is a victory. It’s just a redirection by the one doing the beating.

    This is a temporary cessation. Once Christmas is over, the beatings to the face will resume. In the mean time, has shipping returned to normal? Are pipelines being opened? Are government calls to mask continually being lifted? Are we getting better news from the government and its Press about covid waning? No.

    Just like Native Americans of earlier centuries and college football players of today, conservatives have a bad habit of doing a victory dance after a successful round of battle, thereby disrupting their focus and losing valuable time that should instead be spent preparing for the next and bigger battle.

    Or a victory dance even if it’s not really a successful round of battle.

    A failure to recognize success where it occurs is not a winning strategy, either.

    I think we differ on whether this is a victory.  Their goal was not to encourage vaccination.  Their goal was to demonstrate that they have power over us.  By rescinding the mandate, if they do, they are still teaching us that “they” choose to rescind it, we suffer at their discretion.  It’s similar to the quote by Solzyeitnatrleetsohn (however spell that name) that says, “We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying.”  The power is in teaching us that they can do whatever they want any time they want even if we know it is unconstitutional and illegal.

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  13. Skyler Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    I tend to see this more as a PR move to avoid walking people out before the holidays more than a response to courts and public backlash

    I agree. It’s like a guy getting beaten in the face, kidneys, and gut and the thug takes a break from beating him in the face, and the guy thinks this is a victory. It’s just a redirection by the one doing the beating.

    This is a temporary cessation. Once Christmas is over, the beatings to the face will resume. In the mean time, has shipping returned to normal? Are pipelines being opened? Are government calls to mask continually being lifted? Are we getting better news from the government and its Press about covid waning? No.

    Just like Native Americans of earlier centuries and college football players of today, conservatives have a bad habit of doing a victory dance after a successful round of battle, thereby disrupting their focus and losing valuable time that should instead be spent preparing for the next and bigger battle.

    Or a victory dance even if it’s not really a successful round of battle.

    A failure to recognize success where it occurs is not a winning strategy, either.

    Will you admit that it wasn’t a success if it comes roaring back after the holidays?

    That’s not a requirement.  Keeping us in fear is the point.

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  14. James Salerno Inactive
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    Skyler (View Comment):

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    It bothers me that we discuss whether something is a good or bad idea but we never ask if something is constitutional or not. It never even enters the conversation.

    Eventually we will reach the point of no return.

    I assumed everyone agreed that it is the same thing.

    Didn’t mean you specifically Skyler. I should rephrase that, by we I mean we as a country. And especially the political class, in which I include the media and the education system. They all think there’s a magic “do anything” clause in the document. The constitution is so far gone. It’s sad because the document is so unique in human history. 

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    I tend to see this more as a PR move to avoid walking people out before the holidays more than a response to courts and public backlash

    I agree. It’s like a guy getting beaten in the face, kidneys, and gut and the thug takes a break from beating him in the face, and the guy thinks this is a victory. It’s just a redirection by the one doing the beating.

    This is a temporary cessation. Once Christmas is over, the beatings to the face will resume. In the mean time, has shipping returned to normal? Are pipelines being opened? Are government calls to mask continually being lifted? Are we getting better news from the government and its Press about covid waning? No.

    Just like Native Americans of earlier centuries and college football players of today, conservatives have a bad habit of doing a victory dance after a successful round of battle, thereby disrupting their focus and losing valuable time that should instead be spent preparing for the next and bigger battle.

    Or just thinking they won.

    Oh, they won all right. George Washington recognized immediately how serious a defeat he had just received. 

    But how did the indigenous inhabitants of North America do this? Was this before Europeans first arrived?

    After a successful battle, such as when they defeated St. Clair during George Washington’s Indian wars, they were too busy looting and celebrating to wipe out the remnants of the army that fled back to Cincinnati (Fort Hamilton). However, it was difficult for them to be full-time, year-round soldiers, because their families needed to survive the winter, too, and needed their hunters to shift from war to getting food, etc. So they had an excuse that football players and conservatives don’t always have.   There were some, like Little Turtle, who knew it wasn’t all over yet. When they say the systematic preparations that Mad Anthony Wayne was making, they knew it would be different next time. They kept fighting but knew how it would turn out. After Fallen Timbers they decided they should make peace with the Americans on whatever terms they could get. They became NTers. (That last is a very imperfect analogy, though–almost too imperfect to even be worth using. But I’ll use it.)

    Part of the battleground at Fort Recovery, Ohio. The upper end of the Little Wabash used to run through the low ground here.

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    I tend to see this more as a PR move to avoid walking people out before the holidays more than a response to courts and public backlash

    I agree. It’s like a guy getting beaten in the face, kidneys, and gut and the thug takes a break from beating him in the face, and the guy thinks this is a victory. It’s just a redirection by the one doing the beating.

    This is a temporary cessation. Once Christmas is over, the beatings to the face will resume. In the mean time, has shipping returned to normal? Are pipelines being opened? Are government calls to mask continually being lifted? Are we getting better news from the government and its Press about covid waning? No.

    Just like Native Americans of earlier centuries and college football players of today, conservatives have a bad habit of doing a victory dance after a successful round of battle, thereby disrupting their focus and losing valuable time that should instead be spent preparing for the next and bigger battle.

    Or a victory dance even if it’s not really a successful round of battle.

    A failure to recognize success where it occurs is not a winning strategy, either.

    Will you admit that it wasn’t a success if it comes roaring back after the holidays?

    That’s not a requirement. Keeping us in fear is the point.

    You may be right, but some can still claim they “won” unless the mandate actions resume after the holidays.  If that starts up again, I don’t think anyone could in good faith claim that it was “victory” that they temporarily stopped clamping down.

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  17. The Reticulator Member
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    I tend to see this more as a PR move to avoid walking people out before the holidays more than a response to courts and public backlash

    I agree. It’s like a guy getting beaten in the face, kidneys, and gut and the thug takes a break from beating him in the face, and the guy thinks this is a victory. It’s just a redirection by the one doing the beating.

    This is a temporary cessation. Once Christmas is over, the beatings to the face will resume. In the mean time, has shipping returned to normal? Are pipelines being opened? Are government calls to mask continually being lifted? Are we getting better news from the government and its Press about covid waning? No.

    Just like Native Americans of earlier centuries and college football players of today, conservatives have a bad habit of doing a victory dance after a successful round of battle, thereby disrupting their focus and losing valuable time that should instead be spent preparing for the next and bigger battle.

    Or a victory dance even if it’s not really a successful round of battle.

    A failure to recognize success where it occurs is not a winning strategy, either.

    I think we differ on whether this is a victory. Their goal was not to encourage vaccination. Their goal was to demonstrate that they have power over us. By rescinding the mandate, if they do, they are still teaching us that “they” choose to rescind it, we suffer at their discretion. It’s similar to the quote by Solzyeitnatrleetsohn (however spell that name) that says, “We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying.” The power is in teaching us that they can do whatever they want any time they want even if we know it is unconstitutional and illegal.

    It’s only a victory if we keep working it and move on from there. If we stop and whine, or if we stop and celebrate, it will not have been a victory.

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  18. The Reticulator Member
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    I tend to see this more as a PR move to avoid walking people out before the holidays more than a response to courts and public backlash

    I agree. It’s like a guy getting beaten in the face, kidneys, and gut and the thug takes a break from beating him in the face, and the guy thinks this is a victory. It’s just a redirection by the one doing the beating.

    This is a temporary cessation. Once Christmas is over, the beatings to the face will resume. In the mean time, has shipping returned to normal? Are pipelines being opened? Are government calls to mask continually being lifted? Are we getting better news from the government and its Press about covid waning? No.

    Just like Native Americans of earlier centuries and college football players of today, conservatives have a bad habit of doing a victory dance after a successful round of battle, thereby disrupting their focus and losing valuable time that should instead be spent preparing for the next and bigger battle.

    Or a victory dance even if it’s not really a successful round of battle.

    A failure to recognize success where it occurs is not a winning strategy, either.

    Will you admit that it wasn’t a success if it comes roaring back after the holidays?

    If what comes roaring back?  The Biden administration?  Yeah, it’s going to come back. You better consolidate your win now and use it to pick the best ground and arrange your resources for the next fight, or your victory will have been worthless.

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  19. The Reticulator Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    You may be right, but some can still claim they “won” unless the mandate actions resume after the holidays.  If that starts up again, I don’t think anyone could in good faith claim that it was “victory” that they temporarily stopped clamping down.

    If you’re just passively sitting in the stands and marking victories and losses, you are not on the playing field.

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    I agree. It’s like a guy getting beaten in the face, kidneys, and gut and the thug takes a break from beating him in the face, and the guy thinks this is a victory. It’s just a redirection by the one doing the beating.

    This is a temporary cessation. Once Christmas is over, the beatings to the face will resume. In the mean time, has shipping returned to normal? Are pipelines being opened? Are government calls to mask continually being lifted? Are we getting better news from the government and its Press about covid waning? No.

    Just like Native Americans of earlier centuries and college football players of today, conservatives have a bad habit of doing a victory dance after a successful round of battle, thereby disrupting their focus and losing valuable time that should instead be spent preparing for the next and bigger battle.

    Or just thinking they won.

    Oh, they won all right. George Washington recognized immediately how serious a defeat he had just received.

    But how did the indigenous inhabitants of North America do this? Was this before Europeans first arrived?

    After a successful battle, such as when they defeated St. Clair during George Washington’s Indian wars, they were too busy looting and celebrating to wipe out the remnants of the army that fled back to Cincinnati (Fort Hamilton). However, it was difficult for them to be full-time, year-round soldiers, because their families needed to survive the winter, too, and needed their hunters to shift from war to getting food, etc. So they had an excuse that football players and conservatives don’t always have. There were some, like Little Turtle, who knew it wasn’t all over yet. When they say the systematic preparations that Mad Anthony Wayne was making, they knew it would be different next time. They kept fighting but knew how it would turn out. After Fallen Timbers they decided they should make peace with the Americans on whatever terms they could get. They became NTers. (That last is a very imperfect analogy, though–almost too imperfect to even be worth using. But I’ll use it.)

    Part of the battleground at Fort Recovery, Ohio. The upper end of the Little Wabash used to run through the low ground here.

    Thanks.  That’s pretty involved.

    I think Biden suspending enforcement of his executive decision came out of nowhere.  It was not a capitulation.  It was a cynical manipulation.  And people saying this is a victory no matter how big or small, is a lot like your football analogy with an intricate dance in the end-zone that the camera zooms in on, and people Ooo and Ah over for 30 seconds, but they still get tromped.

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    I agree. It’s like a guy getting beaten in the face, kidneys, and gut and the thug takes a break from beating him in the face, and the guy thinks this is a victory. It’s just a redirection by the one doing the beating.

    This is a temporary cessation. Once Christmas is over, the beatings to the face will resume. In the mean time, has shipping returned to normal? Are pipelines being opened? Are government calls to mask continually being lifted? Are we getting better news from the government and its Press about covid waning? No.

    Just like Native Americans of earlier centuries and college football players of today, conservatives have a bad habit of doing a victory dance after a successful round of battle, thereby disrupting their focus and losing valuable time that should instead be spent preparing for the next and bigger battle.

    Or just thinking they won.

    Oh, they won all right. George Washington recognized immediately how serious a defeat he had just received.

    But how did the indigenous inhabitants of North America do this? Was this before Europeans first arrived?

    After a successful battle, such as when they defeated St. Clair during George Washington’s Indian wars, they were too busy looting and celebrating to wipe out the remnants of the army that fled back to Cincinnati (Fort Hamilton). However, it was difficult for them to be full-time, year-round soldiers, because their families needed to survive the winter, too, and needed their hunters to shift from war to getting food, etc. So they had an excuse that football players and conservatives don’t always have. There were some, like Little Turtle, who knew it wasn’t all over yet. When they say the systematic preparations that Mad Anthony Wayne was making, they knew it would be different next time. They kept fighting but knew how it would turn out. After Fallen Timbers they decided they should make peace with the Americans on whatever terms they could get. They became NTers. (That last is a very imperfect analogy, though–almost too imperfect to even be worth using. But I’ll use it.)

    Part of the battleground at Fort Recovery, Ohio. The upper end of the Little Wabash used to run through the low ground here.

    Thanks. That’s pretty involved.

    I think Biden suspending enforcement of his executive decision came out of nowhere. It was not a capitulation. It was a cynical manipulation. And people saying this is a victory no matter how big or small, is a lot like your football analogy with an intricate dance in the end-zone that the camera zooms in on, and people Ooo and Ah over for 30 seconds, but they still get tromped.

    And no single touchdown wins the game, unless it’s the ONLY touchdown in the whole game – for both sides.

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    Just like Native Americans of earlier centuries and college football players of today, conservatives have a bad habit of doing a victory dance after a successful round of battle, thereby disrupting their focus and losing valuable time that should instead be spent preparing for the next and bigger battle.

    Or just thinking they won.

    Oh, they won all right. George Washington recognized immediately how serious a defeat he had just received.

    But how did the indigenous inhabitants of North America do this? Was this before Europeans first arrived?

    After a successful battle, such as when they defeated St. Clair during George Washington’s Indian wars, they were too busy looting and celebrating to wipe out the remnants of the army that fled back to Cincinnati (Fort Hamilton). However, it was difficult for them to be full-time, year-round soldiers, because their families needed to survive the winter, too, and needed their hunters to shift from war to getting food, etc. So they had an excuse that football players and conservatives don’t always have. There were some, like Little Turtle, who knew it wasn’t all over yet. When they say the systematic preparations that Mad Anthony Wayne was making, they knew it would be different next time. They kept fighting but knew how it would turn out. After Fallen Timbers they decided they should make peace with the Americans on whatever terms they could get. They became NTers. (That last is a very imperfect analogy, though–almost too imperfect to even be worth using. But I’ll use it.)

    Part of the battleground at Fort Recovery, Ohio. The upper end of the Little Wabash used to run through the low ground here.

    Thanks. That’s pretty involved.

    I think Biden suspending enforcement of his executive decision came out of nowhere. It was not a capitulation. It was a cynical manipulation. And people saying this is a victory no matter how big or small, is a lot like your football analogy with an intricate dance in the end-zone that the camera zooms in on, and people Ooo and Ah over for 30 seconds, but they still get tromped.

    And no single touchdown wins the game, unless it’s the ONLY touchdown in the whole game – for both sides.

    Yeah, so the dance is really meaningless.

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  23. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    kedavis (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    I’m just aghast at how few seem to be comfortable with this political victory. I’d hate to see this thread if we had lost the vaccine mandate battle.

    It’s not a victory yet.

    It becomes a victory when every last Commie is rooted out of the federal bureaucracy.

    I’m with Philo on this . . .

    philo (View Comment):
    Reading between the lines, I tend to see this more as a PR move to avoid walking people out before the holidays more than a response to courts and public backlash…and it is all wrapped up in a tight little Talking Points Memo to the press to help push the narrative.

    Yeah . . . this is a pause before the holidays. Firing everyone before Christmas is really bad PR for everyone involved.

    Just wait until this comes zooming back in January.

    Do they think they won’t pay for that in the mid-terms?

    I don’t think “they” care. This is being run by the unelected bureaucrat class. The mid-terms have no effect on them. Unless “every last Commie is rooted out of the federal bureaucracy.” And for that to happen we have to rely on the GOP. So we’re doomed.

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  24. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):
    I don’t think “they” care. This is being run by the unelected bureaucrat class. The mid-terms have no effect on them. Unless “every last Commie is rooted out of the federal bureaucracy.” And for that to happen we have to rely on the GOP. So we’re doomed.

    Oh, my, aren’t we binary today.  

    If our system won’t work unless every last commie is rooted out, then it doesn’t deserve to work.

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  25. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
    Fake John/Jane Galt
    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    James Salerno (View Comment):

    It bothers me that we discuss whether something is a good or bad idea but we never ask if something is constitutional or not. It never even enters the conversation.

    Eventually we will reach the point of no return.

    Why would we care about the constitution?  It is just a historical document that is basically used as a moral argument any more.  It really has very little to do with anything anymore except for a few fossils.  

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  26. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
    Fake John/Jane Galt
    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    kedavis (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    I’m just aghast at how few seem to be comfortable with this political victory. I’d hate to see this thread if we had lost the vaccine mandate battle.

    It’s not a victory yet.

    It becomes a victory when every last Commie is rooted out of the federal bureaucracy.

    I’m with Philo on this . . .

    philo (View Comment):
    Reading between the lines, I tend to see this more as a PR move to avoid walking people out before the holidays more than a response to courts and public backlash…and it is all wrapped up in a tight little Talking Points Memo to the press to help push the narrative.

    Yeah . . . this is a pause before the holidays. Firing everyone before Christmas is really bad PR for everyone involved.

    Just wait until this comes zooming back in January.

    Do they think they won’t pay for that in the mid-terms?

    yes, they will not pay.  The elections will be about what the MSM wants it to be which will be how racist the GOP and their base is.  

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  27. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    James Salerno (View Comment):

    It bothers me that we discuss whether something is a good or bad idea but we never ask if something is constitutional or not. It never even enters the conversation.

    Eventually we will reach the point of no return.

    Why would we care about the constitution? It is just a historical document that is basically used as a moral argument any more. It really has very little to do with anything anymore except for a few fossils.

    If people find it useful to discuss science fiction, why can’t they find it useful to discuss the constitution? 

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  28. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):
    I don’t think “they” care. This is being run by the unelected bureaucrat class. The mid-terms have no effect on them. Unless “every last Commie is rooted out of the federal bureaucracy.” And for that to happen we have to rely on the GOP. So we’re doomed.

    Oh, my, aren’t we binary today.

    Better’n non-binary, I guess. ; )

    If our system won’t work unless every last commie is rooted out, then it doesn’t deserve to work.

    Our system wasn’t designed for Commies.

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  29. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    But to my point, if Democrats cared about losing the mid-terms they wouldn’t be pushing their multi-trillion spending bill, which a vast majority of the citizen class opposes. They wouldn’t be causing inflation, which a vast majority sees is a direct result of their policies. They wouldn’t be deliberately trying to destroy gas and oil production in the U.S. They wouldn’t be shutting down existing pipelines or halting construction of others. They wouldn’t be calling parents domestic terrorists. They wouldn’t be keeping schools closed. They wouldn’t be allowing their antifa foot soldiers to riot in the streets. They wouldn’t be putting millions out of work with vax mandates. They wouldn’t be feverishly pursuing every item on the left-wing wish list.

    If they cared about losing in the mid-terms they would have changed course months ago. They are continuing full speed ahead.

    Which tells us what?

    “They” don’t care if they lose in the mid-terms because “they” (whoever is pushing these agenda items) will not be affected by them.

    Elected Democrats might suffer, but “they” are not elected, so “they” don’t care.

    Biden’s cabinet is made up of figureheads. You think Granholm knows the first thing about domestic energy production? She’s a dolt. She doesn’t set policy for her department. You think Bootyjudge knows anything about transportation? He’s a dummy. He doesn’t set policy for his department.

    And Biden’s cabinet isn’t going to be affected by midterms anyway. But even when he’s removed from office in 2024, these bureaucrats will still be there. Because even if the next Republican President gets to pick his Cabinet, unless that secretary makes an effort to completely clean house, little will change. The leftward drift will continue. The commies are embedded.

     

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  30. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    But to my point, if Democrats cared about losing the mid-terms they wouldn’t be pushing their multi-trillion spending bill, which a vast majority of the citizen class opposes. They wouldn’t be causing inflation, which a vast majority sees is a direct result of their policies. They wouldn’t be deliberately trying to destroy gas and oil production in the U.S. They wouldn’t be shutting down existing pipelines or halting construction of others. They wouldn’t be calling parents domestic terrorists. They wouldn’t be keeping schools closed. They wouldn’t be allowing their antifa foot soldiers to riot in the streets. They wouldn’t be putting millions out of work with vax mandates. They wouldn’t be feverishly pursuing every item on the left-wing wish list.

    If they cared about losing in the mid-terms they would have changed course months ago. They are continuing full speed ahead.

    You presume that the Democrats actually know how to get out of the mess they are in, but are purposely holding back.  I am of the opinion that they really don’t know what they are doing.  They don’t have a clue.  They would love to curb inflation and clear up  the supply chain issues and push their critical race theory on unsuspecting parents, and spend another $3.5 Trillion and even institute vaccine  mandates.  But they are a circus clown show that can’t even convince all of their own members to go along with this malarkey, let alone the electorate.  It is ludicrous to believe they actually don’t care about losing power.

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