Biden Might Rescind Vaccine Mandate. It’s Still Bad.

 

President Joe Biden and his communist handlers have hinted that they would rescind their “mandate” for even federal employees to be vaccinated. Many people might be hollering “Yippee! Yahoo!” Not me.

They don’t really care if you get vaccinated, and that was never what this was about. It was about wielding power, and they did. They proved to everyone that they could force us to get vaccinated, and companies across this country would scrape and bow and enforce their distinctly un-American dictates.

This was an escalation of the “Dear Colleague letter” that former President Barack Obama’s administration sent out, requiring by unofficial correspondence that universities establish kangaroo courts to persecute men who are accused of assault by (mostly) politically inspired women. We are learning that our institutions, our employers, and our fellow countrymen no longer share our American values that laws should be enacted by due process, even if not by legislation.

The Republican Party needs to campaign on this. The GOP needs the people to understand it. We need to change this. We need to make it a cause of action to sue in court when someone issues such a threatening mandate, and when someone obeys such a threatening mandate.

I doubt the party will. The GOP is probably wondering how it can use that tactic.

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  1. philo Member
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    Scores of tens of thousands of people had violence done to their liberties through an openly bad faith action of an ever more tyrannical government. The damage is irreversible. Yet many just brush those casualties off as if it is nothing…and then pretend not to notice that this was [a] successful exercise and demonstration of unconstitutional power that further expanded the envelope for future use. These “rationalizations” by the “It’s not really all that bad” crowd are, in my humble opinion, rather disgusting. Even for a pretend-to-be-sort-of-center-rightish neighborhood of aspiring “writers” like this.

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  2. Henry Racette Member
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    philo (View Comment):

    Scores of tens of thousands of people had violence done to their liberties through an openly bad faith action of an ever more tyrannical government. The damage is irreversible. Yet many just brush those casualties off as if it is nothing…and then pretend not to notice that this was successful exercise and demonstration of unconstitutional power that further expanded the envelope for future use. These “rationalizations” by the “It’s not really all that bad” crowd are, in my humble opinion, rather disgusting. Even for a pretend-to-be-sort-of-center-rightish neighborhood of aspiring “writers” like this.

    That is a caricature, a straw man. I don’t think anyone here has said that injustice was not done. Some of us feel that this was a political victory despite that injustice.

    I know some folks see defeat around every corner. Still, it seems to me that we should acknowledge wins when we get them, even if damage was done to us in the fight.

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  3. Stina Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    I know some folks see defeat around every corner. Still, it seems to me that we should acknowledge wins when we get them, even if damage was done to us in the fight.

    Both need to be acknowledged. The casualties need to be acknowledged. That didn’t happen in this thread by you and those agreeing with you until this comment.

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  4. Terry Mott Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Terry Mott (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Wielding power? Eh. Maybe. I think they thought it would be popular, and would show they cared, and were decisive in that stirring “West Wing” TV show style. They’re shallow people of middling intelligence who live in a culture where optics are supreme and “doing a government thing” plays to the worldview of their media stenographers.

    Embrace the healing power of “And”.

    Seriously though, my take is similar to yours. Most of the over-reactions to the WuFlu are simply expressions of our national neurosis and/or politicians attempting to placate the neurotics, especially the media who collectively seem especially prone to the affliction. Since neurotics crave control of the uncontrollable, their demands naturally tend toward totalitarianism.

    This neuroticism was created by government decisions and its media representations, though. Two masks? Mandatory vaccinations? This is the government stoking fear, or something else, but it’s not placating people’s general fears.

    I’d argue that the neuroticism wasn’t created by government so much as triggered by the media.  The neuroticism was already there, occupied in helicopter parenting and such.  There are always plenty of statists in the government and they were thrilled to have an excuse to grab up what power they could, but lots (most?) of the overreach was in reaction to the demands of panicking people.

    Don’t get me wrong.  I’m as opposed to government power as anyone here (probably more than some), but it’s important to diagnose this as accurately as possible.  To the extent that our representative government was reacting to the majority of their constituents, our argument shouldn’t be with the government as much as with our neighbors.

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  5. Flicker Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    I know some folks see defeat around every corner.

    We are in some sort of a war, but it is a real war.  “Defeat’ takes on a new meaning than the old peaceful politics-as-usual one.  On commenting on another thread, I noticed that junk silver — actual US dollar, recognizable, silver coins — is out of stock on many sites — except in over-priced small quantities, or a few types on $10,000+ bags.  These coins are ideal for, and I think purchased with the intention of using them for actual small shopping transactions.  Somebody — many people, who are not investors — are seeing a very bad future at least in relation to seemingly inexplicable government policies, in this case economic problems and a debased currency.  This is not a purely political battle that can be defeated by complaining and non-compliance and voting.

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  6. Flicker Coolidge
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    Terry Mott (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Terry Mott (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Wielding power? Eh. Maybe. I think they thought it would be popular, and would show they cared, and were decisive in that stirring “West Wing” TV show style. They’re shallow people of middling intelligence who live in a culture where optics are supreme and “doing a government thing” plays to the worldview of their media stenographers.

    Embrace the healing power of “And”.

    Seriously though, my take is similar to yours. Most of the over-reactions to the WuFlu are simply expressions of our national neurosis and/or politicians attempting to placate the neurotics, especially the media who collectively seem especially prone to the affliction. Since neurotics crave control of the uncontrollable, their demands naturally tend toward totalitarianism.

    This neuroticism was created by government decisions and its media representations, though. Two masks? Mandatory vaccinations? This is the government stoking fear, or something else, but it’s not placating people’s general fears.

    I’d argue that the neuroticism wasn’t created by government so much as triggered by the media. The neuroticism was already there, occupied in helicopter parenting and such. There are always plenty of statists in the government and they were thrilled to have an excuse to grab up what power they could, but lots (most?) of the overreach was in reaction to the demands of panicking people.

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m as opposed to government power as anyone here (probably more than some), but it’s important to diagnose this as accurately as possible. To the extent that our representative government was reacting to the majority of their constituents, our argument shouldn’t be with the government as much as with our neighbors.

    Well, yes, maybe they were “pre-neurotic” until the government swung its propaganda arm into full fear mode.

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  7. Skyler Coolidge
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    Where I work our employer is committed to firing people who don’t vaccinate.  We shall see if they back down if Biden does. 

     There were a Lot of good points by all here. I dispute the claim that 80,000 people were killed. I’d like to see a list of names.  Good journalism would insist on it, but that has been absent for quite some time.  I never did see a list of names of those “killed” by “second hand smoke” either. 

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  8. philo Member
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    Skyler (View Comment): …I never did see a list of names of those “killed” by “second hand smoke” either. 

    Don’t even get me started…

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  9. MarciN Member
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    Terry Mott (View Comment):
    triggered by the media.

    I could agree more.

    The story of the press coverage is a story in itself that historians need to study.

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  10. Steven Seward Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    I know some folks see defeat around every corner. Still, it seems to me that we should acknowledge wins when we get them, even if damage was done to us in the fight.

    Both need to be acknowledged. The casualties need to be acknowledged. That didn’t happen in this thread by you and those agreeing with you until this comment.

    When did victimhood start infecting Ricochetti?

    “When do we mourn for the casualties? Because we had them. It was a costly win.”

    “The damage is irreversible. Yet many just brush those casualties off as if it is nothing…”

    C’mon, this is not the end of the world.  The citizens and the courts have successfully stopped Biden’s mandate in its tracks and you’re talking like we’ve just emerged from a concentration camp permanently damaged.

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  11. Stina Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    I know some folks see defeat around every corner. Still, it seems to me that we should acknowledge wins when we get them, even if damage was done to us in the fight.

    Both need to be acknowledged. The casualties need to be acknowledged. That didn’t happen in this thread by you and those agreeing with you until this comment.

    When did victimhood start infecting Ricochetti?

    “When do we mourn for the casualties? Because we had them. It was a costly win.”

    “The damage is irreversible. Yet many just brush those casualties off as if it is nothing…”

    C’mon, this is not the end of the world. The citizens and the courts have successfully stopped Biden’s mandate in its tracks and you’re talking like we’ve just emerged from a concentration camp permanently damaged.

    Omg. It isn’t victimhood to recognize the cost. And this isn’t just about me. Since when did refusing to be victims mean not recognizing loss and hardship at the hands of dastardly policies?

    People lost their jobs. Others vaccinated against their will. Some of these can’t be taken back. You don’t think the damage should be recognized to what actually happened? Real damage happened over an illegal power grab. Why are you not more outraged at that? Why is your vitriol aimed at me for daring to elevate human beings to our consideration!

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  12. Stina Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    like we’ve just emerged from a concentration camp permanently damaged.

    I’m sorry. I forgot conservatives only recognize Jews as legitimate victims.

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  13. Steven Seward Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    I know some folks see defeat around every corner. Still, it seems to me that we should acknowledge wins when we get them, even if damage was done to us in the fight.

    Both need to be acknowledged. The casualties need to be acknowledged. That didn’t happen in this thread by you and those agreeing with you until this comment.

    When did victimhood start infecting Ricochetti?

    “When do we mourn for the casualties? Because we had them. It was a costly win.”

    “The damage is irreversible. Yet many just brush those casualties off as if it is nothing…”

    C’mon, this is not the end of the world. The citizens and the courts have successfully stopped Biden’s mandate in its tracks and you’re talking like we’ve just emerged from a concentration camp permanently damaged.

    Omg. It isn’t victimhood to recognize the cost. And this isn’t just about me. Since when did refusing to be victims mean not recognizing loss and hardship at the hands of dastardly policies?

    People lost their jobs. Others vaccinated against their will. Some of these can’t be taken back. You don’t think the damage should be recognized to what actually happened? Real damage happened over an illegal power grab. Why are you not more outraged at that? Why is your vitriol aimed at me for daring to elevate human beings to our consideration!

    I am outraged, but this is not irreversible damage.  We must keep  things in perspective.  Try telling these woes to the last survivors who fought in world War II.

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  14. E. Kent Golding Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    My wife works for the third largest hospital system which is the 31st largest employer in Ohio. Despite the fact that they have supported the Black Lives Matter movement and put in diversity officers and LGTB promoters, and proudly boasted of transgender surgeries, etc…, -they have held off on vaccine mandates for their employees. On the other hand they have just instituted a vaccine mandate for flu shots!

    Just make sure it’s really a flu shot and they’re not secretly jabbing them with the WuFlu shot!

    My co-worker’s daughter will be fired from Mayo by the end of the year if she doesn’t comply. She already had COVID, and then had a very bad reaction to the first shot, and doesn’t want the second one. (She didn’t even want the first, and didn’t need it either.) Her doctor will not sign a waiver for her.

    Perhaps there are other doctors who will?

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  15. Steven Seward Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    like we’ve just emerged from a concentration camp permanently damaged.

    I’m sorry. I forgot conservatives only recognize Jews as legitimate victims.

    What is that supposed to mean?

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  16. E. Kent Golding Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Skyler: They don’t really care if you get vaccinated, and that was never what this was about. It was about wielding power, and they did. They proved to everyone that they could force us to get vaccinated, and companies across this country would scrape and bow and enforce their distinctly unamerican dictates.

    Well, I guess that’s one way to look at it. But here is what I think is a more accurate description of what happened:

    They don’t really care if you get vaccinated, and that was never what this was about. It was about wielding power, and they tried. They tried to force everyone to get vaccinated, and some people complied, but so many people across so many industries and demographics pushed back, so many law suits were filed, so many judgments went against them, and the public backlash against their abuse of authority was so great, that they backed down. They caved in. They discovered that the nation wasn’t having it.

    Frankly, I think that’s what really happened.

    Tried? They didn’t try. They succeeded. So many people who didn’t want the Pfizer or modern, who were trying to wait for a few years, who wanted to utilize other options, WERE forced at threat of losing their jobs.

    Jobs were lost. People complied for a 12/8 deadline that never arrived.

    Biden never had to actually defend his mandate in court. Simply the threat of the courts upholding it or the threat of fighting the government in court over non compliance was enough to cause people to make a decision that would have preferred to do differently.

    THAT IS TYRANNY. Just because they figured out how to do it with plausible deniability and in a technically legal way does not diminish what they actually accomplished.

    Absolutely. They knew that if they made the threat, businesses would comply out of fear, and they could get private business to what they knew they constitutionally could not. (This has become a regular tactic with this administration.)

    I actually think it was more a case that large corporations wanted to mandate vaccination,  but they wanted the cover that the government was forcing them into it.  The Brandon administration was happy to oblige the large corporations.

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  17. E. Kent Golding Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Where are the NTers who are denouncing this?????

    You know who has been quiet lately.

    NO JINXING!

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  18. Flicker Coolidge
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    I know some folks see defeat around every corner. Still, it seems to me that we should acknowledge wins when we get them, even if damage was done to us in the fight.

    Both need to be acknowledged. The casualties need to be acknowledged. That didn’t happen in this thread by you and those agreeing with you until this comment.

    When did victimhood start infecting Ricochetti?

    “When do we mourn for the casualties? Because we had them. It was a costly win.”

    “The damage is irreversible. Yet many just brush those casualties off as if it is nothing…”

    C’mon, this is not the end of the world. The citizens and the courts have successfully stopped Biden’s mandate in its tracks and you’re talking like we’ve just emerged from a concentration camp permanently damaged.

    Omg. It isn’t victimhood to recognize the cost. And this isn’t just about me. Since when did refusing to be victims mean not recognizing loss and hardship at the hands of dastardly policies?

    People lost their jobs. Others vaccinated against their will. Some of these can’t be taken back. You don’t think the damage should be recognized to what actually happened? Real damage happened over an illegal power grab. Why are you not more outraged at that? Why is your vitriol aimed at me for daring to elevate human beings to our consideration!

    I too think that everyone who lost a business because of covid was a victim.

    • #78
  19. Flicker Coolidge
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    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Where are the NTers who are denouncing this?????

    You know who has been quiet lately.

    NO JINXING!

    Joseph Robinette Biden is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.

    • #79
  20. Stina Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    like we’ve just emerged from a concentration camp permanently damaged.

    I’m sorry. I forgot conservatives only recognize Jews as legitimate victims.

    What is that supposed to mean?

    That no one else is allowed to complain about wrongs done to them.

    Equal treatment means that we all get treated the same. Repeatedly, it seems that unless we are all being shipped off to concentration camps then we aren’t allowed to complain. And I am not of that mindset. The time to wake up comes a lot earlier than that. Because sitting back and saying “it’s not that bad” is how you get to concentration camps. “Never again” starts several steps before that point. And it applies to all people, not just one subset of them.

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  21. Steven Seward Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    like we’ve just emerged from a concentration camp permanently damaged.

    I’m sorry. I forgot conservatives only recognize Jews as legitimate victims.

    What is that supposed to mean?

    That no one else is allowed to complain about wrongs done to them.

    Equal treatment means that we all get treated the same. Repeatedly, it seems that unless we are all being shipped off to concentration camps then we aren’t allowed to complain. And I am not of that mindset. The time to wake up comes a lot earlier than that. Because sitting back and saying “it’s not that bad” is how you get to concentration camps. “Never again” starts several steps before that point. And it applies to all people, not just one subset of them.

    I’m not sure what Jews have to do with this other than my metaphor of “emerged from a concentration camp,” which is I admit,  over the top, but it is not meant to be taken literally.  I’m fully aware of the damage already done and being done by the Biden administration, but in no way do I think this is permanent or irreversible.  In the country with the most opportunity in the world, only those who give up or never try are permanently damaged.  You can claim permanent damage in one case so far – the families of the 13 soldiers who lost their lives in Afghanistan, and the others left behind.

    I’m not trying to be insulting, as I even quoted Philo in a rare moment of capitulation, one of my favorite guys on Ricochet.  I’m just aghast at how few seem to be comfortable with this political victory.  I’d hate to see this thread if we had lost the vaccine mandate battle.

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  22. kedavis Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    like we’ve just emerged from a concentration camp permanently damaged.

    I’m sorry. I forgot conservatives only recognize Jews as legitimate victims.

    What is that supposed to mean?

    That no one else is allowed to complain about wrongs done to them.

    Equal treatment means that we all get treated the same. Repeatedly, it seems that unless we are all being shipped off to concentration camps then we aren’t allowed to complain. And I am not of that mindset. The time to wake up comes a lot earlier than that. Because sitting back and saying “it’s not that bad” is how you get to concentration camps. “Never again” starts several steps before that point. And it applies to all people, not just one subset of them.

    I’m not sure what Jews have to do with this other than my metaphor of “emerged from a concentration camp,” which is I admit, over the top, but it is not meant to be taken literally. I’m fully aware of the damage already done and being done by the Biden administration, but in no way do I think this is permanent or irreversible. In the country with the most opportunity in the world, only those who give up or never try are permanently damaged. You can claim permanent damage in one case so far – the families of the 13 soldiers who lost their lives in Afghanistan, and the others left behind.

    I’m not trying to be insulting, as I even quoted Philo in a rare moment of capitulation, one of my favorite guys on Ricochet. I’m just aghast at how few seem to be comfortable with this political victory. I’d hate to see this thread if we had lost the vaccine mandate battle.

    A lot of people who were injured by the vaccines have permanent damage.  And people who lost jobs aren’t likely to be re-hired by the same company at the income level they had before, and making up for pay already missed…

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  23. Steven Seward Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    like we’ve just emerged from a concentration camp permanently damaged.

    I’m sorry. I forgot conservatives only recognize Jews as legitimate victims.

    What is that supposed to mean?

    That no one else is allowed to complain about wrongs done to them.

    Equal treatment means that we all get treated the same. Repeatedly, it seems that unless we are all being shipped off to concentration camps then we aren’t allowed to complain. And I am not of that mindset. The time to wake up comes a lot earlier than that. Because sitting back and saying “it’s not that bad” is how you get to concentration camps. “Never again” starts several steps before that point. And it applies to all people, not just one subset of them.

    I’m not sure what Jews have to do with this other than my metaphor of “emerged from a concentration camp,” which is I admit, over the top, but it is not meant to be taken literally. I’m fully aware of the damage already done and being done by the Biden administration, but in no way do I think this is permanent or irreversible. In the country with the most opportunity in the world, only those who give up or never try are permanently damaged. You can claim permanent damage in one case so far – the families of the 13 soldiers who lost their lives in Afghanistan, and the others left behind.

    I’m not trying to be insulting, as I even quoted Philo in a rare moment of capitulation, one of my favorite guys on Ricochet. I’m just aghast at how few seem to be comfortable with this political victory. I’d hate to see this thread if we had lost the vaccine mandate battle.

    A lot of people who were injured by the vaccines have permanent damage. And people who lost jobs aren’t likely to be re-hired by the same company at the income level they had before, and making up for pay already missed…

    I don’t know about the vaccine damage, you could be right, but there are more job openings at the moment than we’ve ever had in our country, and employers are offering higher pay.

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  24. James Salerno Inactive
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    It bothers me that we discuss whether something is a good or bad idea but we never ask if something is constitutional or not. It never even enters the conversation.

    Eventually we will reach the point of no return.

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  25. philo Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment): …I’m just aghast at how few seem to be comfortable with this political victory. …

    Thank you but…

    Aside from the rationalized fiction rewritten in comment #1 being more that a bit condescending and insulting to someone watching the contractor side of this from a front row seat in a cubicle farm at one of the impacted companies, I believe it advances a fiction that is driving this discussion out of bounds. Specifically, if you follow the links, the part in that comment about “…so many judgments went against them, and the public backlash against their abuse of authority was so great, that they backed down. They caved in.” does not seem to be supported by the story. Granted, the direct link greatly overstates the case with “This is a huge cave for an administration…”. But if you follow through to the White House Memo link provided in the update, you will find these key paragraphs:

    [PJ Media Story]: According to a memo issued by the Biden administration, the “White House’s Office of Management and Budget is telling federal agencies they should hold off on suspending or firing federal workers for not complying with the vaccine mandate until after the holidays.” …

    {White House Memo:] This week’s deadline wasn’t an end point. For those employees who are not yet in compliance, agencies are beginning a period of education and counseling, followed by additional enforcement steps, consistent with guidance from the Safer Federal Workforce Task Force and the Office of Personnel Management. At any point, if an employee gets their first shot or submits an exception request, agencies will pause further enforcement to give the employee a reasonable amount of time to become fully vaccinated or to process the exception request. This next stage of the process will not result in disruptions to Government services and operations and will result in more employees becoming vaccinated.

    [Emphasis added]

    So, unlike the “might rescind” of this post title and the “suspends mandate” at the direct link, I submit the more accurate interpretation would be “conditionally paused on a case by case basis for a politically convenient but limited amount of time.” Reading between the lines, I tend to see this more as a PR move to avoid walking people out before the holidays more than a response to courts and public backlash…and it is all wrapped up in a tight little Talking Points Memo to the press to help push the narrative.

    I admit to being on the road and not following events as closely as usual the last two days, so I may have missed something…but: Where exactly is the win here? Frankly, I tried but I just don’t see it.

    • #85
  26. philo Member
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    James Salerno (View Comment):

    It bothers me that we discuss whether something is a good or bad idea but we never ask if something is constitutional or not. It never even enters the conversation.

    Eventually we will reach the point of no return.

    It won’t help my case with the “rationalizers” above who think I see “doom around every corner” but I will admit to being the one guy out here that is still steaming mad about our Beltway Betters raising taxes retroactively back in the early Clinton administration. That has forever sensitized me to the subject…and, of course, we lost that battle for the constitution long ago:

     

     

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  27. Skyler Coolidge
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    James Salerno (View Comment):

    It bothers me that we discuss whether something is a good or bad idea but we never ask if something is constitutional or not. It never even enters the conversation.

    Eventually we will reach the point of no return.

    I assumed everyone agreed that it is the same thing.  

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  28. The Reticulator Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):
    Yeah, what he said. Plus, the vaccine doesn’t seem to be working at all. Jordan Peterson just shared a study that showed the difference in transmission between the vaxxed and the unvaxxed appears to be zero. Getting the vax neither prevents you from getting COVID or prevents you from spreading COVID. And I’m not even sure it prevents you from “more severe disease” as the Ruling Class claims, because that’s a non-falsifiable theorem, given how the disease manifests itself differently in different people.

    I don’t think this is true. Most of it isn’t.  Maybe some of it is, allowing for some ambiguous wording. But if you could share a link to the study that Jordan Peterson referred to, or a citation, I’d like to take a look. 

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  29. The Reticulator Member
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    James Salerno (View Comment):

    It bothers me that we discuss whether something is a good or bad idea but we never ask if something is constitutional or not. It never even enters the conversation.

    Fire away.  Ask. 

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  30. Flicker Coolidge
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    @Flicker

    philo (View Comment):
    I tend to see this more as a PR move to avoid walking people out before the holidays more than a response to courts and public backlash

    I agree.  It’s like a guy getting beaten in the face, kidneys, and gut and the thug takes a break from beating him in the face, and the guy thinks this is a victory.  It’s just a redirection by the one doing the beating.

    This is a temporary cessation.  Once Christmas is over, the beatings to the face will resume.  In the mean time, has shipping returned to normal?  Are pipelines being opened?  Are government calls to mask continually being lifted?  Are we getting better news from the government and its Press about covid waning?  No.

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