When Will a Revolution Begin?

 

As crackdowns proceed on the unvaccinated in some countries and all people in other places, the pressure on the population increases. I wonder where the breaking point will be reached and there will be uprisings against governments. We may be getting close in some countries to a revolt by the police and military.

Do people think this will happen in the near future (say in the next six months)? If so, where will it happen? Possibilities are Australia, Austria, and Italy. A revolt in one country could quickly lead to strife elsewhere. Governments are playing with fire. People are seeing how ineffective crackdowns are in fighting COVID. Ignoring natural immunity is making people question the wisdom of public health authorities. The vaccines are less effective than promised and are less safe than they would have us believe. They are being pushed on the young, who are not at risk. It’s almost as if we are being lied to on a massive scale.

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  1. drlorentz Member
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    Forced vaccinations of infants and toddlers will be the tipping point.

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  2. Flicker Coolidge
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    Not for a year at least.  It will take millions to force a change.  And it will take people nearly out-of-their-minds with frustration and anger.  Give it at least a year for even the thought of it happening.  And probably not even then, or ever.

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  3. Bishop Wash Member
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    I wonder about here. I see footage of streets full of people in other countries protesting and wonder where the protests are here. Supposedly people in Europe were burning their vaccine cards to protest mandates. People here seem okay with lording over the “unclean”.

    My wife attended a protest with about 100 people last month. Around 20-30 protest every Tuesday at an intersection on my way home. The are small numbers but the mass isn’t there yet. Don’t know what the spark will be.

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  4. DonG (CAGW is a hoax) Coolidge
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    Richard Easton: It’s almost as if we are being lied to on a massive scale.

    Almost?

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  5. kedavis Member
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    I wonder about here. I see footage of streets full of people in other countries protesting and wonder where the protests are here. Supposedly people in Europe were burning their vaccine cards to protest mandates. People here seem okay with lording over the “unclean”.

    My wife attended a protest with about 100 people last month. Around 20-30 protest every Tuesday at an intersection on my way home. The are small numbers but the mass isn’t there yet. Don’t know what the spark will be.

    Maybe it’ll be when even after people lose their jobs for refusing vaccination, they’re told they have to do it anyway.

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  6. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    The heavy-handedness of the lockdowns in Australia is crazy, but this is not a case of a tyrant imposing his will on the desperate population.  Most Australians are acquiescing.  When a good-size majority say they’ve had enough, they won’t need a revolution.  The government will back down.  It is the nature of government in democracies to exert as much authority as the people let them have.  It is the nature of government in non-democracies to go far beyond that point.

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  7. RufusRJones Member
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    Richard Easton: People are seeing how ineffective crackdowns are in fighting Covid. Ignoring natural immunity is making people question the wisdom of public health authorities. The vaccines are less effective than promised and are less safe than they would have us believe. They are being pushed on the young who are not at risk. It’s almost as if we are being lied to on a massive scale.

    I completely agree with this. People are getting burnt out by not having the policy match the reality they can see with their own eyes. 

    Just to be super accurate, the CDC says the vaccine doesn’t stop the spread, now. They have said that since August 1. The problem is way too many of those guys aren’t letting the policy match that fact.

    Something to keep in your head. I have been talking to highly pro vaccine people. They think that it lowers the R0 (the number that represents how fast it spreads) a lot. Maybe it does, but the lower rate you end up at doesn’t do a damn thing as a practical matter. That’s the way I see it. They don’t see it that way, and I really don’t think that makes any sense if you just look at the news.

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  8. RufusRJones Member
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    drlorentz (View Comment):

    Forced vaccinations of infants and toddlers will be the tipping point.

    It is so bad at stopping or mitigating the spread there is absolutely no public policy interest in forcing more people to get vaccinated. The medical system is not at risk. The stupid and vulnerable have made their choices. Anybody with common sense can see this. As a functional matter this is about something other than public health.

     

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  9. Zafar Member
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    The heavy-handedness of the lockdowns in Australia is crazy, but this is not a case of a tyrant imposing his will on the desperate population. Most Australians are acquiescing. When a good-size majority say they’ve had enough, they won’t need a revolution. The government will back down. It is the nature of government in democracies to exert as much authority as the people let them have. It is the nature of government in non-democracies to go far beyond that point.

    Australia’s very own independent Jacqui Lambie on the subject (striking a chord here):

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  10. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    I think part of what is going on is the parts of America who are most likely to exist in the same lock down measures don’t have those locked down measures im post on them because their governments aren’t doing it. When you have a county in California that mandates indoor masking it’s probably on top of people that are OK with it because that’s what they vote for.

     Revolution comes when the left has enough power to try to enforce its will on everybody. The left is the French aristocracy. It is the light 1700s and it will be hell. Personally I don’t want to live through the terror of the French revolution but I believe it is coming.

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  11. Western Chauvinist Member
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    If COVID has shown us anything, it’s that fear works to increase the power  given to government by the people — even in “democracies” (sneer quotes required as I’m not a fan, just as the Founders weren’t). Americans lost the thread of republicanism through decades of maleducation and rising godlessness (but, I repeat).

    You know when I figured out the revolution isn’t happening? When Obamacare was rammed through against the will and consent of the majority in our so-called “democracy.” Is there anything more personal, more to be guarded against government encroachment (from either side of the political spectrum) than one’s healthcare? One’s choice of doctor and treatments? 

    I think it’s too late for the West. People have already ceded too much to government. They turned in their weapons in Australia and I don’t know if they ever had any in Austria and Italy. If I had to bet, I’d bet there isn’t a revolution anywhere in the West. We’re at the end of our civilizational cycle and we’re going into exile from here.

    However, China’s government is running a risk by seizing people’s pets (corgis) because they’re supposedly disease vectors. That may be a bridge too far even for the Chinese. 

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  12. RufusRJones Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    If COVID has shown us anything, it’s that fear works to increase the power  given to government by the people — even in “democracies” (sneer quotes required as I’m not a fan, just as the Founders weren’t). Americans lost the thread of republicanism through decades of maleducation and rising godlessness (but, I repeat).

    https://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/disp_textbook.cfm?smtID=3&psid=1199

    Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it. While it lies there it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it.

     

     

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    You know when I figured out the revolution isn’t happening? When Obamacare was rammed through against the will and consent of the majority in our so-called “democracy.” Is there anything more personal, more to be guarded against government encroachment (from either side of the political spectrum) than one’s healthcare? One’s choice of doctor and treatments? 

    I think it’s a big deal that everybody think this through. Reconciliation is supposed to be for small mathematical differences only. It was a criminal action. Right there is all the reason you need for the GOP to wipe it out. What idiots. They could have waited a year if they weren’t ready.

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  13. DonG (CAGW is a hoax) Coolidge
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    Richard Easton: When Will a Revolution Begin?

    I read that a BLM leader in Wisconsin just asked if “the revolution has just begun”.   That is a different revolution than the OP refers to, but it is one the Corporate Media and Leftist politicians have been stoking for a decade now.   I worry that we are heading into a period like The Troubles in Ireland.   We will have a generation of racial violence fed by Marxists and weak/poisoned institutions.  I have high-lighted some items below that we have seen in the last few years related to BLM.  It won’t be that Boogaloo moment, but more of a slow burn with flare-ups and lots of general unhappiness.   The good people of this nation need to speak up and work for peace.

    The Troubles:

    the Troubles, also called Northern Ireland conflict, violent sectarian conflict from about 1968 to 1998 in Northern Ireland between the overwhelmingly Protestant unionists (loyalists), who desired the province to remain part of the United Kingdom, and the overwhelmingly Roman Catholic nationalists (republicans), who wanted Northern Ireland to become part of the republic of Ireland. The other major players in the conflict were the British army, Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), and Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR; from 1992 called the Royal Irish Regiment), and their avowed purpose was to play a peacekeeping role, most prominently between the nationalist Irish Republican Army (IRA), which viewed the conflict as a guerrilla war for national independence, and the unionist paramilitary forces, which characterized the IRA’s aggression as terrorism. Marked by street fighting, sensational bombings, sniper attacks, roadblocks, and internment without trial, the confrontation had the characteristics of a civil war, notwithstanding its textbook categorization as a “low-intensity conflict.” Some 3,600 people were killed and more than 30,000 more were wounded before a peaceful solution, which involved the governments of both the United Kingdom and Ireland, was effectively reached in 1998, leading to a power-sharing arrangement in the Northern Ireland Assembly at Stormont.

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  14. RufusRJones Member
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    Minnesota is a big fan of roadblocks. 

    Then the Democrat party has to fight new GOP law proposals to stop it. Pretty hilarious.

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  15. Western Chauvinist Member
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    DonG (CAGW is a hoax) (View Comment):

    Richard Easton: When Will a Revolution Begin?

    I read that a BLM leader in Wisconsin just asked if “the revolution has just begun”. That is a different revolution than the OP refers to, but it is one the Corporate Media and Leftist politicians have been stoking for a decade now. I worry that we are heading into a period like The Troubles in Ireland. We will have a generation of racial violence fed by Marxists and weak/poisoned institutions. I have high-lighted some items below that we have seen in the last few years related to BLM. It won’t be that Boogaloo moment, but more of a slow burn with flare-ups and lots of general unhappiness. The good people of this nation need to speak up and work for peace.

    The Troubles:

    the Troubles, also called Northern Ireland conflict, violent sectarian conflict from about 1968 to 1998 in Northern Ireland between the overwhelmingly Protestant unionists (loyalists), who desired the province to remain part of the United Kingdom, and the overwhelmingly Roman Catholic nationalists (republicans), who wanted Northern Ireland to become part of the republic of Ireland. The other major players in the conflict were the British army, Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), and Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR; from 1992 called the Royal Irish Regiment), and their avowed purpose was to play a peacekeeping role, most prominently between the nationalist Irish Republican Army (IRA), which viewed the conflict as a guerrilla war for national independence, and the unionist paramilitary forces, which characterized the IRA’s aggression as terrorism. Marked by street fighting, sensational bombings, sniper attacks, roadblocks, and internment without trial, the confrontation had the characteristics of a civil war, notwithstanding its textbook categorization as a “low-intensity conflict.” Some 3,600 people were killed and more than 30,000 more were wounded before a peaceful solution, which involved the governments of both the United Kingdom and Ireland, was effectively reached in 1998, leading to a power-sharing arrangement in the Northern Ireland Assembly at Stormont.

    and internment without trial,

    You missed a highlight.

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  16. Western Chauvinist Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Just to be super accurate, the CDC says the vaccine doesn’t stop the spread, now. They have said that since August 1. The problem is way too many of those guys aren’t letting the policy match that fact.

    Something to keep in your head. I have been talking to highly pro vaccine people. They think that it lowers the R0 (the number that represents how fast it spreads) a lot. Maybe it does, but the lower rate you end up at doesn’t do a damn thing as a practical matter. That’s the way I see it. They don’t see it that way, and I really don’t think that makes any sense if you just look at the news.

    We had a guest for Thanksgiving dinner last night. A young guy, highly intelligent (engineer), highly educated. He said we need 100% vaccination. When I responded that vaccines don’t seem to stop the spread, he was silent. For background, we’re all vaccinated in my family — our goal is to stay out of hospitals as much as possible. One of my kids contributed that vaccines seem to reduce hospitalizations, which we all agreed is a good thing. But, it’s kind of stunning how people still believe the vaccines are going to “eliminate COVID.” No they’re not. 

    In fact, Mr. C and I speculate that if Joe Biden wanted to “eliminate COVID,” he’d stop testing everyone (getting on a plane, going to work, etc.) We suspect a huge number of COVID-positive cases contributing to the high case rate are asymptomatic, or nearly so. 

    My belief is we’re all going to get this thing. Try to live a normal life and do what you can to stay out of the hospital (up to and including vaccines and treatment protocols including HCQ-zinc-Azith, Ivermectin, Merck red-pill, future anti-virals — your choice). And, for pity’s sake, let the kids develop natural immunity naturally. Dear Lord, whatever happened to common sense??

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  17. RufusRJones Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    In fact, Mr. C and I speculate that if Joe Biden wanted to “eliminate COVID,” he’d stop testing everyone (getting on a plane, going to work, etc.) We suspect a huge number of COVID-positive cases contributing to the high case rate are asymptomatic, or nearly so.

    That is an excellent observation.

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    My belief is we’re all going to get this thing. Try to live a normal life and do what you can to stay out of the hospital (up to and including vaccines and treatment protocols including HCQ-zinc-Azith, Ivermectin, Merck red-pill, future anti-virals — your choice). … Dear Lord, whatever happened to common sense??

    We were talking about this last night. I couldn’t believe it. They just love communist solutions.

    The other thing is we were talking about the efficacy against spreading. It was nuts. I swear to God the only way to talk to these people is to act like you are giving a deposition.

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  18. Z in MT Member
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    It is clear by now that the vaccines are a personal health issue not a public health issue.

    However, our betters in the government think that forcing vaccines is good for us so they are going to keep mandating them.

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  19. Chris O Coolidge
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    Z in MT (View Comment):

    It is clear by now that the vaccines are a personal health issue not a public health issue.

    However, our betters in the government think that forcing vaccines is good for us so they are going to keep mandating them.

    They’re forcing this to prep us for the next one. Bill Gates already announced they’ll be bringing small pox back.

     

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  20. Malka Davis Inactive
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Just to be super accurate, the CDC says the vaccine doesn’t stop the spread, now. They have said that since August 1. The problem is way too many of those guys aren’t letting the policy match that fact.

    Something to keep in your head. I have been talking to highly pro vaccine people. They think that it lowers the R0 (the number that represents how fast it spreads) a lot. Maybe it does, but the lower rate you end up at doesn’t do a damn thing as a practical matter. That’s the way I see it. They don’t see it that way, and I really don’t think that makes any sense if you just look at the news.

    We had a guest for Thanksgiving dinner last night. A young guy, highly intelligent (engineer), highly educated. He said we need 100% vaccination. When I responded that vaccines don’t seem to stop the spread, he was silent. For background, we’re all vaccinated in my family — our goal is to stay out of hospitals as much as possible. One of my kids contributed that vaccines seem to reduce hospitalizations, which we all agreed is a good thing. But, it’s kind of stunning how people still believe the vaccines are going to “eliminate COVID.” No they’re not.

    In fact, Mr. C and I speculate that if Joe Biden wanted to “eliminate COVID,” he’d stop testing everyone (getting on a plane, going to work, etc.) We suspect a huge number of COVID-positive cases contributing to the high case rate are asymptomatic, or nearly so.

    My belief is we’re all going to get this thing. Try to live a normal life and do what you can to stay out of the hospital (up to and including vaccines and treatment protocols including HCQ-zinc-Azith, Ivermectin, Merck red-pill, future anti-virals — your choice). And, for pity’s sake, let the kids develop natural immunity naturally. Dear Lord, whatever happened to common sense??

    You mean Trump was right when he said we have to learn to live with the virus? Unfathomable.

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  21. davenr321 Coolidge
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    Me, I don’t see it in my lifetime – Inshallah heep big long time – in this great country. We’re tough. 

    Nevertheless, a trigger I think could start “something” would be large-scale confiscation of “wealth” and/or property by cash-strapped states. But, that could only happen in my dystopian novel after large-scale “migration” of the middle class and some of the capital class from idiot-run states to good-enough-run ones and thus the local tax base is too low to sustain a minimally-functioning government, starting with law enforcement, corrections, and the traffic lights.

    With COVID many people have seen loved ones actually die from it, so it’s real – even if the solution isn’t perfect and we want a solution(s).  With the breakdown of law and order in some parts of the country- that’s almost cyclic so I anticipate a correction when the tipping point(s) is reached. With incompetents running things – what, that’s not normal? And I do not think the communist assault on general knowledge (libraries, schools) is working in their favor or will it work in their favor, ever in the USA.

    ”Panic in the Year Zero” is a movie that, along with the novel “Alas, Babylon,” my view, explores what could happen when savvy, brave Americans are confronted with choices in super dangerous times (i.e., nuclear war) – Americans like law and order. “Liberation: Being the Adventures of the Slick Six After the Collapse of the United States of America” is a great book exploring what happens when even the criminals want law and order! (a great read over the holidays, if I do say so myself!)

     

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  22. RufusRJones Member
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    davenr321 (View Comment):
    Nevertheless, a trigger I think could start “something” would be large-scale confiscation of “wealth” and/or property by cash-strapped states. But, that could only happen in my dystopian novel after large-scale “migration” of the middle class and some of the capital class from idiot-run states to good-enough-run ones and thus the local tax base is too low to sustain a minimally-functioning government, starting with law enforcement, corrections, and the traffic lights.

    We never would have gotten to this point if the Fed hadn’t goosed the economy so much. 

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  23. cdor Member
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    Richard Easton: It’s almost as if we are being lied to on a massive scale.

    Yea, ALMOST!

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  24. Trink Coolidge
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    This is HUGE.  My dear husband got the booster before my son and I. Hubby is a doc and he regrets that he hadn’t seen this video prior to his decision. We just found it yesterday – seriously troubling effects of the vaccines on the heart:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEBGl8MVE-c

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  25. RufusRJones Member
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  26. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    Trink (View Comment):

    This is HUGE. My dear husband got the booster before my son and I. Hubby is a doc and he regrets that he hadn’t seen this video prior to his decision. We just found it yesterday – seriously troubling effects of the vaccines on the heart:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEBGl8MVE-c

    Even anecdotally, there’s a lot of other news out there on this – just ask a European soccer player.

     

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  27. Steven Seward Member
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    I’m going to hazard a guess that Australia will be the most vulnerable, but not for the reasons you might think. 

    It looks to me like the virus goes through Caucasian populations no matter if there are lockdowns, mask wearing, physical distancing or vaccines.  Nearly all of the Caucasian countries who fared well at the beginning eventually had their comeuppance later on.  For instance, Israel and the Czech Republic managed to stave off any serious infections or deaths for nearly the first year of the pandemic and seemed to be doing really well.  But the waves just hit them later.  Israel, despite severe lockdowns and immigration policies, and then having one of the highest rate of vaccinations in the world, got hit with their worst waves of infection after a huge portion of their citizens became vaccinated.  They are just coming down from their worst wave that peaked last month.  The Czech republic is right in the middle of their worst wave of infections and just starting their fourth wave of deaths.

    By contrast, the countries who were hit worst at the beginning, or didn’t lock down at all, like Sweden, are all faring very well lately.  The worst places at the beginning, Italy, France, Spain, U. K., New York City, New Jersey, have all had some minor ups and downs with case numbers in the last year, but have remained completely untouched by the waves of death that ravaged most of Europe.

    All that to say that Australia is still stuck in prevention mode with an iron grip  over the least little outbreak and will not let go.  Thus far they have fared extremely well in preventing cases and deaths.  Despite all their efforts and lockdowns, currently the number of cases has skyrocketed by a factor of more than one-thousand times.  Even so, in absolute numbers they are pretty small, so few people in the country have gotten Covid so far.  They are sitting ducks.  They are eventually going to get overrun by the virus whether they like it or not and there is nothing they can do about it.  Their death rate has also risen by about seven times, though still puny in comparison to other countries.

    So Australia may be able to drag this thing out for years before the virus finally catches up with them.  There is no way that a capitalist country can survive intact when its citizens are prevented from working, shopping, or socializing for this prolonged period of time.  If they don’t have a revolution, they will just economically and spiritually die on the vine and become a crippled society.  I suspect that underground and black market activity will become the norm, if it hasn’t so already.

    Hope I’m wrong.

     

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  28. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Richard Easton: It’s almost as if we are being lied to on a massive scale.

    I’d correct this. It’s not “almost as if.”

    We are being lied to on a massive scale.

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  29. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    One thing our betters don’t appear to be worried is mass vaccination leading to a killer variant. If you are under 65 and don’t have a co-morbidity, COVID is not a major risk compared to seasonal flu. If Covid is so bad, why aren’t they urging people to their Vitamin D levels tested (yup, there’s not big profit in it).

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  30. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    One thing our betters don’t appear to be worried is mass vaccination leading to a killer variant.

    I sometimes think that’s the goal.

    If mass vaccination is acceleration the mutations, then why the hell are they mass vaccinating everyone?

     

     

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