The Origins of Thanksgiving, According to the Snipe Clan

 

Someone called “Senator Kayse Jama (He/Him)” (apparently Jama is an Oregon State Senator**) has linked–on his Twitter account–to this person:

No idea who Anessa Hartman Haudenosaunee is, but, Lord, I love the fact that she’s a member of something called the “Snipe Clan.” (It’s the pedant in me.  So sorry if that’s triggering.)

And, wait…what?  I thought Lincoln proclaimed the fourth Thursday of every November an official “Thanksgiving” holiday largely to commemorate Union victories in the American Civil War (particularly the one at Gettysburg).  And that–actually–he was simply codifying George Washington’s original intention from the last decades of the eighteenth century.

Am I wrong?  Inquiring minds (mine, anyway) would like to know.

Or, is this just another Leftist nutball who’s detached herself from reality and the facts in order to spin a comfortable narrative that suits her (I’ve not checked its pronouns) narrative?

** As described on his Twitter profile, in order of precedence: “Somali-American. Son of a Camel Herder. Father of Twins.”

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  1. Postmodern Hoplite Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

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    I’m talking about the people who, in conversations about racism and related issues insist on introducing–out of the blue–the fact that they’re married to a [insert minority class] man or woman, or that their children are one-half, or one-quarter, some-other-race, and so therefore–since they’ve embraced and provided for the minority class for fumpty-years, they’re off the hook.

    Racist? We’re not even speciesist. I mean, my wife married a Neanderthal.

    Brother!

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  2. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):
    I’m talking about the people who, in conversations about racism and related issues insist on introducing–out of the blue–the fact that they’re married to a [insert minority class] man or woman, or that their children are one-half, or one-quarter, some-other-race, and so therefore–since they’ve embraced and provided for the minority class for fumpty-years, they’re off the hook.

    Racist? We’re not even speciesist. I mean, my wife married a Neanderthal.

    Neanderthal is more an attitude today than a species.

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  3. Postmodern Hoplite Coolidge
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):
    I’m talking about the people who, in conversations about racism and related issues insist on introducing–out of the blue–the fact that they’re married to a [insert minority class] man or woman, or that their children are one-half, or one-quarter, some-other-race, and so therefore–since they’ve embraced and provided for the minority class for fumpty-years, they’re off the hook.

    Racist? We’re not even speciesist. I mean, my wife married a Neanderthal.

    Neanderthal is more an attitude today than a species.

    Given that contemporary Biology holds that modern humans still retain Neanderthal DNA (traits such as green eyes, red hair, etc.), it means that Neanderthal wasn’t really ever a separate species (otherwise interbreeding would produced sterile offspring.)

    However, I’m totally okay with being characterized as “Neanderthal”.

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  4. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):
    I’m talking about the people who, in conversations about racism and related issues insist on introducing–out of the blue–the fact that they’re married to a [insert minority class] man or woman, or that their children are one-half, or one-quarter, some-other-race, and so therefore–since they’ve embraced and provided for the minority class for fumpty-years, they’re off the hook.

    Racist? We’re not even speciesist. I mean, my wife married a Neanderthal.

    Neanderthal is more an attitude today than a species.

    Given that contemporary Biology holds that modern humans still retain Neanderthal DNA (traits such as green eyes, red hair, etc.), it means that Neanderthal wasn’t really ever a separate species (otherwise interbreeding would produced sterile offspring.)

    However, I’m totally okay with being characterized as “Neanderthal”.

    I’d guess that, according to progressives, most Ricochetti are Neanderthals.

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  5. dukenaltum Inactive
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    The complaints of a moribund culture that failed to progress past the neo-lithic age for 14,000 to 19,000 years is always amusing to me.  Where but in the West would such a remnant exist? There were successive waves of migrations from Asia to the Americas that conquered and destroyed the previous culture effacing it entirely from the consciousness of the newly dominant culture.  Odd how there is no tears for failed and effaced cultures except when the opportunity for undeserved moral capital, social status and subsidies are available.

    Civilizational upgrades always require painful adaptation.   

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  6. Skyler Coolidge
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    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):
    Given that contemporary Biology holds that modern humans still retain Neanderthal DNA (traits such as green eyes, red hair, etc.), it means that Neanderthal wasn’t really ever a separate species (otherwise interbreeding would produced sterile offspring.)

    That’s not true.  That’s not a requirement to be different species.  Grizzlies and polar bears breed occasionally in the wild, for example.  Lions and Tigers have been bred.  Labradors and poodles too.  Okay, they’re the same breed, but it’s still an abomination.  :)

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    This nonsense will end only when we’re able to address each other as people, and not as representatives of race, class, ethnicity, or anything else. I hope that day comes soon.

    It was only years later that I learned why the Scots cabbie out of Aberdeen grew hostile and quit talking to me when he learned I was descended from, among others, the Campbell clan.

    Sometimes it just takes a very long time to get over things.

    On an episode of British murder mystery series Midsomer Murders, the murder victim was a woman killed by a descendant of a family her family had bested in a church bell ringing contest 500 years ago.

    One helluva plot . . .

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    RightAngles (View Comment):
    And I have enough Choctaw blood to qualify for Federal Aid so I think I can say these things.

    I don’t have any Choctaw blood, nor do I have Cherokee blood, though sometimes it seems like 60% of Americans say that they have Cherokee ancestors.

    But I’d really like for someone’s ethnic or racial background not be a requirement to observe facts and make conclusions without the permission of others. That’s what America is all about.

    The kids, by way of their mom, are 1/8 Comanche. So they are in the minority (they are also Trumpophiles.). Interesting, because I was born in Quanah.

    I just finished driving through Quanah twenty minutes ago.

    I ate at an Amish restaurant.

    In Quanah???

    Shipshewana.

    Gesundheit.

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  9. Stad Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):
    I’m talking about the people who, in conversations about racism and related issues insist on introducing–out of the blue–the fact that they’re married to a [insert minority class] man or woman, or that their children are one-half, or one-quarter, some-other-race, and so therefore–since they’ve embraced and provided for the minority class for fumpty-years, they’re off the hook.

    Racist? We’re not even speciesist. I mean, my wife married a Neanderthal.

    Wife (after Stad does something stupid):  I didn’t know I married someone stupid.

    Stad:  Neither did I.  (Stad ducks just in time)

     

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  10. The Reticulator Member
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Shipshewana.

    Gesundheit.

    One summer day in the 1820s, Shipshewana and Maketaimeshekiakiak (Black Hawk) both were at Fort Malden (in Canada, downstream from Detroit on the Detroit River) on the same day and got “presents” from the British for their services in the War of 1812.  It was probably 1825, but I’d have to look it up to be sure.  They were just two among hundreds of Indian leaders who made the annual trek in those years, along with a number of people who accompanied them. 

    Shipshewana was Potawatomi and had a relatively short distance to travel, Maketaimeshekiakiak had just about the greatest distance to travel, from his home at what is now Rock Island, IL. Shipshewana got an Amish town named after him.  Black Hawk got a hockey team and a whole lot of other things named after him (though there was another famous Black Hawk who lived further west who got things named after him, too.)  Shipshewana’s town got his Potawatomi name. I’m not aware of any places or organizations that have been given Black Hawk’s Sauk name.  There are places and people that have the first part of Black Hawk’s name (Maketai) but that’s just the word for the color black. 

    I’m pretty sure that the “meshe” in Black Hawk’s name is cognate with the first part of the words Michigan and Mississippi. The meaning and pronunciation seem to vary slightly from Algonquian language to language, but in general you could say it means “big” or “great.” 

    I have no idea how to decipher Shipshewana’s name. I wouldn’t even recognize it as Potawatomi if I didn’t know from other sources that it was. But the British Indian agent who wrote it down had a pretty good ear for Indian languages and tended to transliterate them into English accurately and consistently. (I’m not sure “transliterate” is the right technical term, though. Maybe somebody here on Ricochet knows.)  Maybe the “ship” part is something like the “jib/chip” in Ojibwe/Chippewa, but that still doesn’t get me anywhere. 

     

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  11. Old Bathos Member
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    Pursing to the rules of Victim Bingo, if I identify as Neanderthal can I declare all you Cro Magnon descendants as genocidal oppressors and move to the head of the line?

    I’m thinking an ugly guy with brass jewels could be the Rachel Dolezal/Shaun King of Neanderthal rights. Throw in some sexual identity confusion and…cha-ching, baby!

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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):
    Given that contemporary Biology holds that modern humans still retain Neanderthal DNA (traits such as green eyes, red hair, etc.), it means that Neanderthal wasn’t really ever a separate species (otherwise interbreeding would produced sterile offspring.)

    That’s not true. That’s not a requirement to be different species. Grizzlies and polar bears breed occasionally in the wild, for example. Lions and Tigers have been bred. Labradors and poodles too. Okay, they’re the same breed, but it’s still an abomination. :)

    Do they produce fertile young?

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  13. The Reticulator Member
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    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):
    Given that contemporary Biology holds that modern humans still retain Neanderthal DNA (traits such as green eyes, red hair, etc.), it means that Neanderthal wasn’t really ever a separate species (otherwise interbreeding would produced sterile offspring.)

    That’s not true. That’s not a requirement to be different species. Grizzlies and polar bears breed occasionally in the wild, for example. Lions and Tigers have been bred. Labradors and poodles too. Okay, they’re the same breed, but it’s still an abomination. :)

    Do they produce fertile young?

    Species categories are a social construct. It’s easier to think in terms of categories than continuae (if that’s the right term) and most of us need all the thinking aids we can get. 

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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

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    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):
    Given that contemporary Biology holds that modern humans still retain Neanderthal DNA (traits such as green eyes, red hair, etc.), it means that Neanderthal wasn’t really ever a separate species (otherwise interbreeding would produced sterile offspring.)

    That’s not true. That’s not a requirement to be different species. Grizzlies and polar bears breed occasionally in the wild, for example. Lions and Tigers have been bred. Labradors and poodles too. Okay, they’re the same breed, but it’s still an abomination. :)

    Do they produce fertile young?

    Species categories are a social construct. It’s easier to think in terms of categories than continuae (if that’s the right term) and most of us need all the thinking aids we can get.

    I have no idea what that means. 

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    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):
    Given that contemporary Biology holds that modern humans still retain Neanderthal DNA (traits such as green eyes, red hair, etc.), it means that Neanderthal wasn’t really ever a separate species (otherwise interbreeding would produced sterile offspring.)

    That’s not true. That’s not a requirement to be different species. Grizzlies and polar bears breed occasionally in the wild, for example. Lions and Tigers have been bred. Labradors and poodles too. Okay, they’re the same breed, but it’s still an abomination. :)

    Do they produce fertile young?

    Species categories are a social construct. It’s easier to think in terms of categories than continuae (if that’s the right term) and most of us need all the thinking aids we can get.

    I have no idea what that means.

    Dan’l Boone or Davy Crockett might have offspring from a bear.  I doubt I could.

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    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):
    Given that contemporary Biology holds that modern humans still retain Neanderthal DNA (traits such as green eyes, red hair, etc.), it means that Neanderthal wasn’t really ever a separate species (otherwise interbreeding would produced sterile offspring.)

    That’s not true. That’s not a requirement to be different species. Grizzlies and polar bears breed occasionally in the wild, for example. Lions and Tigers have been bred. Labradors and poodles too. Okay, they’re the same breed, but it’s still an abomination. :)

    Do they produce fertile young?

    Species categories are a social construct. It’s easier to think in terms of categories than continuae (if that’s the right term) and most of us need all the thinking aids we can get.

    What?  Are you saying that you can’t name any species?

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  17. Zafar Member
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    Who knew that everyone on Ricochet has red hair and green eyes?

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  18. The Reticulator Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

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    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):
    Given that contemporary Biology holds that modern humans still retain Neanderthal DNA (traits such as green eyes, red hair, etc.), it means that Neanderthal wasn’t really ever a separate species (otherwise interbreeding would produced sterile offspring.)

    That’s not true. That’s not a requirement to be different species. Grizzlies and polar bears breed occasionally in the wild, for example. Lions and Tigers have been bred. Labradors and poodles too. Okay, they’re the same breed, but it’s still an abomination. :)

    Do they produce fertile young?

    Species categories are a social construct. It’s easier to think in terms of categories than continuae (if that’s the right term) and most of us need all the thinking aids we can get.

    What? Are you saying that you can’t name any species?

    That’s one reason to have them. You can name them.  It’s better than referring to position 8.76 on the lactose-tolerant humanoid continuum, with a 95 % confidence interval of .07.  

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    Given that contemporary Biology holds that modern humans still retain Neanderthal DNA (traits such as green eyes, red hair, etc.), it means that Neanderthal wasn’t really ever a separate species (otherwise interbreeding would produced sterile offspring.)

    That’s not true. That’s not a requirement to be different species. Grizzlies and polar bears breed occasionally in the wild, for example. Lions and Tigers have been bred. Labradors and poodles too. Okay, they’re the same breed, but it’s still an abomination. :)

    Do they produce fertile young?

    Species categories are a social construct. It’s easier to think in terms of categories than continuae (if that’s the right term) and most of us need all the thinking aids we can get.

    What? Are you saying that you can’t name any species?

    That’s one reason to have them. You can name them. It’s better than referring to position 8.76 on the lactose-tolerant humanoid continuum, with a 95 % confidence interval of .07.

    You better not be talking about somebody’s mother.  ‘Cause those sound like fighting words.

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