Is Kamala on the Way Out?

 

There are reports of infighting between the Biden and Harris camps. Lots of opinions about Joe (Jill) freezing Kamala’s eventual ascendency. Even a tip to Fox News that they should brush up on the Vice President appointment process in the event of a Vice Presidential resignation. So is Kamala on the way out?

Yes, and no. Joe (Jill) is ill-served by having a VP that people actually might prefer over him (them). And if Kamala quits, that’s exactly what will happen. So Joe (Jill) wants a perpetually wounded Kamala holding the space but not being a meaningful alternative to Joe (Jill). The tip to Fox was likely meant to continue to stir the pot rather than be a legitimate heads up. But the chessboard is being shaken, so we’ll see.

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  1. Ekosj Member
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    Kamala Harris is the only thing standing between FJB and the 25th Amendment.    Choosing her was political genius!    

    For anyone pushing to oust her, ditching Kamala is only step one.    Getting rid of her makes sense if and only if the next step is getting rid of FJB.   

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  2. Seawriter Contributor
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    If Kamala leaves the vice presidency there would be no tie-breaking vote until a new vice-president is elected. No new vice-president can be elected without a majority vote in the Senate. Therefore the Republicans have a strong interest in ensuring that office stays empty until January 2023.  Nothing passes due to the loss of a tie-breaking vote. (Leahy, the president of the senate pro tempore presides over the senate in the vice president’s absence, but he does not get an additional vote.)

    Not that the GOP will be organized enough to pull it off. If nothing else Mittens or Murky would put a spoke in that attempt.

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  3. Ekosj Member
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    Seawriter (View Comment):
    Not that the GOP will be organized enough to pull it off.

    Truer words were never spoken.

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  4. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    No, she is not. The Democrat-Media Complex is just laying the groundwork for her “Comeback Story.” The “After a rocky start, the vice president has emerged as the Biden Administration’s strongest asset, and a force to be reckoned with…” stories have already been written. 

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  5. Muleskinner, Weasel Wrangler Member
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    Seawriter (View Comment):

    If Kamala leaves the vice presidency there would be no tie-breaking vote until a new vice-president is elected. No new vice-president can be elected without a majority vote in the Senate. Therefore the Republicans have a strong interest in ensuring that office stays empty until January 2023. Nothing passes due to the loss of a tie-breaking vote. (Leahy, the president of the senate pro tempore presides over the senate in the vice president’s absence, but he does not get an additional vote.)

    Not that the GOP will be organized enough to pull it off. If nothing else Mittens or Murky would put a spoke in that attempt.

    What happens after the new Congress starts in 2023 is more interesting. Likely Republican majorities in both Houses would mean that not confirming an open VP spot means that the next two in line would be Republicans. If Joe goes first, Kamala is the front runner for 2024, if Kamala goes first, the Democrats at least have a shot at choosing the incumbent they want in 2024. I think this is why this seems to be an issue now.

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  6. Front Seat Cat Member
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    Has this ever happened before? How would they do it and how would the replacement be selected since it’s not a national vote? We’re talking about the 2nd in command.  Can she take the no. 1 in command with her?

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  7. Rodin Member
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    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    Has this ever happened before? How would they do it and how would the replacement be selected since it’s not a national vote? We’re talking about the 2nd in command. Can she take the no. 1 in command with her?

    Yes. Nixon’s VP (Agnew) resigned and was replaced by the Congressional process for filling an interim vacancy. 

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  8. Henry Racette Contributor
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    Before anyone digs too deeply into the mystery of Democratic strategic machinations in search of something subtle and nuanced, remember that these are the same people who chose Vice President* Harris for the position in the first place based only on her possession of both a dark complexion and girl parts.

    In other words, think not so much three dimensional chess as Chutes and Ladders.

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  9. Buckpasser Member
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    Didn’t Brandon Bidenstan serve the same role in the BO administration?

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  10. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Buckpasser (View Comment):

    Didn’t Brandon Bidenstan serve the same role in the BO administration?

    One wonders who on earth President Harris will choose to fill that role in her administration in 3 years.

    The mind reels…

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  11. Muleskinner, Weasel Wrangler Member
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    Has this ever happened before? How would they do it and how would the replacement be selected since it’s not a national vote? We’re talking about the 2nd in command. Can she take the no. 1 in command with her?

    Yes. Nixon’s VP (Agnew) resigned and was replaced by the Congressional process for filling an interim vacancy.

    And so did Ford’s replacement, Nelson Rockefeller. Probably neither was any Republican’s first choice, but what they could get confirmed.

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  12. Percival Thatcher
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    There are two ways that this might be shaking out; if he has to name a new veep – or if she does.

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  13. Franco Member
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    It’s a big mess, and on top of that there are two Democrat camps vying for influence. Obama camp and Clinton camp. They are definitely in a pickle.

    I recommend these analysts for any news:

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  14. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Franco (View Comment):
    It’s a big mess, and on top of that there are two Democrat camps vying for influence. Obama camp and Clinton camp. They are definitely in a pickle.

    This is what I think. The two weakest Democrats (and I don’t just mean their poll numbers) are at the top of the Democrat ticket. I bet there’s an epic behind-the-scenes battle between the Clinton and Obama forces. They’re the real players on this scene. Joe and Kamala are just front men. I put nothing beyond either crime syndicate. 

    I’d say pass the popcorn, but if either camp retains power, we all lose. 

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  15. Jim McConnell Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    No, she is not. The Democrat-Media Complex is just laying the groundwork for her “Comeback Story.” The “After a rocky start, the vice president has emerged as the Biden Administration’s strongest asset, and a force to be reckoned with…” stories have already been written.

    Naw, this reminds me of that old saying, “You can’t make a purse out of… “

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  16. Jim McConnell Member
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    Buckpasser (View Comment):

    Didn’t Brandon Bidenstan serve the same role in the BO administration?

    Biden served the role of impeachment insurance during the Obama administration.

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  17. Jim McConnell Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):
    It’s a big mess, and on top of that there are two Democrat camps vying for influence. Obama camp and Clinton camp. They are definitely in a pickle.

    This is what I think. The two weakest Democrats (and I don’t just mean their poll numbers) are at the top of the Democrat ticket. I bet there’s an epic behind-the-scenes battle between the Clinton and Obama forces. They’re the real players on this scene. Joe and Kamala are just front men. I put nothing beyond either crime syndicate.

    I’d say pass the popcorn, but if either camp retains power, we all lose.

    Yes! 2022 is going to be an interesting year.

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  18. Franco Member
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    This was never considered: having a female VP and a First Lady. I can’t imagine Jill Biden and Kamala getting along. So I maybe that’s another factor?

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  19. bullitt46 Lincoln
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    That’s “DR. Jill”.

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  20. The Reticulator Member
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    Yes, she is on the way out. We all are. 

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  21. Hugh Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Before anyone digs too deeply into the mystery of Democratic strategic machinations in search of something subtle and nuanced, remember that these are the same people who chose Vice President* Harris for the position in the first place based only on her possession of both a dark complexion and girl parts.

    In other words, think not so much three dimensional chess as Chutes and Ladders.

    Or cess-pools and septic tanks.

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  22. Metalheaddoc Member
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    If Harris is pushed out, the vacancy may not get filled with a 50-50 Senate. If the GOP takes the House and Senate next year, doesn’t that mean if Joe dies from an ice-cream induced headache or something, then the Presidency falls to the Republican Speaker of the House, right?

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  23. Seawriter Contributor
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    Metalheaddoc (View Comment):

    If Harris is pushed out, the vacancy may not get filled with a 50-50 Senate. If the GOP takes the House and Senate next year, doesn’t that mean if Joe dies from an ice-cream induced headache or something, then the Presidency falls to the Republican Speaker of the House, right?

    Yes.

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  24. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Metalheaddoc (View Comment):

    If Harris is pushed out, the vacancy may not get filled with a 50-50 Senate. If the GOP takes the House and Senate next year, doesn’t that mean if Joe dies from an ice-cream induced headache or something, then the Presidency falls to the Republican Speaker of the House, right?

    I believe so, which is why should anything happen to Joe after Kamala’s exit, it will be Weekend at Brandon’s at the White House until the next (fraud-filled) election. 

    Or, Kamala’s not going anywhere, which is what I think is the case. At least, she’s not going anywhere until closer to the next primary/elections when Hillary arranges some kind of unfortunate accident. Maybe she can recruit Alec Baldwin. 

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  25. Percival Thatcher
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    Franco (View Comment):

    It’s a big mess, and on top of that there are two Democrat camps vying for influence. Obama camp and Clinton camp. They are definitely in a pickle.

    I recommend these analysts for any news:

    If Jen Psaki says that Biden has full faith and confidence in Harris, that means that someone at the White House has mislaid the axe.

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  26. kedavis Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    It’s a big mess, and on top of that there are two Democrat camps vying for influence. Obama camp and Clinton camp. They are definitely in a pickle.

    I recommend these analysts for any news:

    If Jen Psaki says that Biden has full faith and confidence in Harris, that means that someone at the White House has mislaid the axe.

    Or they’re just holding it behind their back.

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  27. Buckpasser Member
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    bullitt46 (View Comment):

    That’s “DR. Jill”.

    Doktor Jill.

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  28. Flicker Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Kamala said that “her” administration, uh, oh, the Biden-Harris administration will be good or somesuch. She must have been told that she would be the president.

    At the same time, she was persona no grata in the Biden Administration pretty much from day one. This is like kids fighting for control of the merry-go-round.

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  29. kedavis Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Kamala said that “her” administration, uh, oh, the Biden-Harris administration will be goo or somesuch. She must have been told that she would be the president.

    At the same time, she was persona no grata in the Biden Administration pretty much from day one. This is like kids fighting for control of the merry-go-round.

    Except the merry-go-round is made of other peoples’ lives and businesses.

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  30. Flicker Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Kamala said that “her” administration, uh, oh, the Biden-Harris administration will be goo or somesuch. She must have been told that she would be the president.

    At the same time, she was persona no grata in the Biden Administration pretty much from day one. This is like kids fighting for control of the merry-go-round.

    Except the merry-go-round is made of other peoples’ lives and businesses.

    I was thinking more of a merry-go-round with steel blades.

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