Things That Make You Go Hmmm…

 

I wonder if there are any Democrat voters out there today wondering to themselves, “Hmmm…  I read The New York Times and watch CNN every day.  To stay informed.  But as it turned out, I was misinformed about the Duke Lacrosse players, the Russian collusion thing, the Covington kids, the Kavanaugh accusations, Jussie Smollett, and a bunch of other stuff.  I even went to some protests and carried some signs before later finding out that I had gotten bad information.  From those that I seek information from.  I wonder if, just perhaps, I’m being misinformed about this Rittenhouse thing?  If so, I wonder if I should reconsider where I get my information?  Hmmm…”

For some reason, I suspect that very few Democrats are contemplating the foundation of their worldview, despite repeated and obvious evidence that perhaps they are making decisions based on flawed information.

Perhaps I’m wrong.  Perhaps something will happen that will open their eyes to their own deception.  Perhaps this Rittenhouse trial will be that something.  It could be, I suppose.  Right?

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  1. CACrabtree Coolidge
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  2. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    CACrabtree (View Comment):

    Doug Kimball (View Comment):

    These people are presented as the wisest of the wise, virtual Alex Trebecs, but without the cards. We know that they are reading a teleprompter, but they present things so sincerely and so easily, even they believe that these are their thoughts, that what they say represents their knowledge and ideas. Of course so much is said over and over, much of what they say becomes what they believe. But the actual copy comes from a cadre of Liberal operatives, who take their cues from swamp connected sources who provide the context and when needed, the spin. When someone comes up with something pithy or frothy, that appropriately places Trump (or W, HW, RR, Ford, Nixon) in a poor light or that supports a current pro-Liberal narrative, then they all pick it up and regurgitate it like a momma Tern feeding her fledglings. That’s why they all seem to use the same metaphors and phrasing (it might be clever once, but not 20 times on competing networks) over and over.

    Let’s face it, they are legends in their own minds. Any member of Ricochet could destroy them in a debate in under 30 seconds. The news is the news, echoing across the networks; even Tucker, Sean and Laura largely cover the same topics. But at least the Fox line-up is willing to fess up when they err, retract and apologize. The others? They just let the news cycle drown out their mistakes. They embrace the narrative as long as it suits, even when it is proven false. So Trump is still a Russian asset, Hunter is a genius, Brandon accumulated all his wealth by investing in the Senate 403B plan, Jill is a doctor and Obama will always be the smartest man in every room he occupies.

    Wish I could give this one and @ raygunner (#30, above) multiple likes. Both comments extremely well phrased.

     

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  3. James Lileks Contributor
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    My suspicion is that these folks will read the tepid corrections, when and if they arrive, and accept the non-apology apologies as evidence of honesty and integrity, and thus redouble their faith in the approved organs of legitimate narrative.

    Yes. The news organs may have erred on the particulars, but they were correct in the general sense. One may be momentarily possessed by the terrible particulars of the Jesse Smolett assault, then mildly disappointed to learn it didn’t happen, then contemptuous of those who use the fraud to insist there is no white-supremicist racist threat. The meta-narrative always abides. Because it is the light, and the truth, and the way. 

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  4. Jules PA Inactive
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    Dr. Bastiat: Perhaps something will happen that will open their eyes to their own deception.  Perhaps this Rittenhouse trial will be that something.  It could be, I suppose.  Right?

    I’m thinking it will take more along the lines of numerous plagues to break the hard hearts of the run of the mill democrat voter.

    The leftists are likely signed sealed and already in possession by the father of lies.

    He who has eyes to see and ears to hear…

    The rest are given over to a great delusion.

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    My suspicion is that these folks will read the tepid corrections, when and if they arrive, and accept the non-apology apologies as evidence of honesty and integrity, and thus redouble their faith in the approved organs of legitimate narrative.

    Yes. The news organs may have erred on the particulars, but they were correct in the general sense. One may be momentarily possessed by the terrible particulars of the Jesse Smolett assault, then mildly disappointed to learn it didn’t happen, then contemptuous of those who use the fraud to insist there is no white-supremicist racist threat. The meta-narrative always abides. Because it is the light, and the truth, and the way.

    “Meta,” that’s like “false?”

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  6. Zafar Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    My suspicion is that these folks will read the tepid corrections, when and if they arrive, and accept the non-apology apologies as evidence of honesty and integrity, and thus redouble their faith in the approved organs of legitimate narrative.

    Yes. The news organs may have erred on the particulars, but they were correct in the general sense. One may be momentarily possessed by the terrible particulars of the Jesse Smolett assault, then mildly disappointed to learn it didn’t happen, then contemptuous of those who use the fraud to insist there is no white-supremicist racist threat. The meta-narrative always abides. Because it is the light, and the truth, and the way.

    “Meta,” that’s like “false?”

    The narrative about the narrative. 

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  7. Henry Racette Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    My suspicion is that these folks will read the tepid corrections, when and if they arrive, and accept the non-apology apologies as evidence of honesty and integrity, and thus redouble their faith in the approved organs of legitimate narrative.

    Yes. The news organs may have erred on the particulars, but they were correct in the general sense. One may be momentarily possessed by the terrible particulars of the Jesse Smolett assault, then mildly disappointed to learn it didn’t happen, then contemptuous of those who use the fraud to insist there is no white-supremicist racist threat. The meta-narrative always abides. Because it is the light, and the truth, and the way.

    The entire question is: for how many is it the light, and the truth, and the way?

    Truth has a persuasive power of its own, and never more so than in desperate times.

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  8. Zafar Member
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    Everybody has their narrative and meta narrative. Sorry. 

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  9. Flicker Coolidge
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    Jules PA (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: Perhaps something will happen that will open their eyes to their own deception. Perhaps this Rittenhouse trial will be that something. It could be, I suppose. Right?

    I’m thinking it will take more along the lines of numerous plagues to break the hard hearts of the run of the mill democrat voter.

    The leftists are likely signed sealed and already in possession by the father of lies.

    He who has eyes to see and ears to hear…

    The rest are given over to a great delusion.

    And what do you make of this?

    In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.”

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  10. Percival Thatcher
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Everybody has their narrative and meta narrative. Sorry.

    Zafar, the factual basis of Jussie’s narrative was:

    • He went to Subway
    • He bought a sandwich
    • He came back

    That’s it. Everything else was pure invention.

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  11. Zafar Member
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    Who’s Jussie? He ain’t alone. 

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  12. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Truth has a persuasive power of its own, and never more so than in desperate times.

    You could say the same thing about lies.

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  13. I Walton Member
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     King of Stuff today addresses the same question. 

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  14. GrannyDude Member
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Truth has a persuasive power of its own, and never more so than in desperate times.

    You could say the same thing about lies.

    Eventually, enough progressives get mugged.

    You would think that moral imagination would be sufficient., but it generally requires something a bit more…direct. Fortunately (I guess) the Democrats seem intent on providing more and more people across the country with direct, painful evidence of just why their prescriptions are worse than the conditions they seek to cure, EDIT: And with that, exposing the serial mendacity of the MSM.  One media “mistake” can be brushed aside, but when they stack up, its hard not to notice.

    My theory, based on a bit of experience (personal, mostly) is that, once the lid gets peeled up just enough to catch a glimpse of what’s inside, sooner or later the whole can of worms will be open. But it can take awhile —as long-time Ricochetti can attest to, in the case of yours truly.

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  15. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Roderic (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: I wonder if there are any Democrat voters out there today wondering to themselves, “Hmmm… I read The New York Times and watch CNN every day. To stay informed. But as it turned out, I was misinformed about the Duke Lacrosse players, the Russian collusion thing, the Covington kids, the Kavanaugh accusations, Jussie Smollett, and a bunch of other stuff. I even went to some protests and carried some signs before later finding out that I had gotten bad information. From those that I seek information from. I wonder if, just perhaps, I’m being misinformed about this Rittenhouse thing? If so, I wonder if I should reconsider where I get my information? Hmmm…”

    Most of these folks never see the information that contradicts their favorite narratives, so I’m sure they remain unaware of the inconsistencies and falsehoods.

    The degree to which different tribes remain in different information silos is not to be underestimated.

    I think that is true about the Left but it seems the Right has no choice but get the Lefts information.  It is sort of force feed to us.  

     

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  16. The Reticulator Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    I think that is true about the Left but it seems the Right has no choice but get the Lefts information.  It is sort of force feed to us. 

    I get the lefts information through Ricochet. 

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  17. Doug Kimball Thatcher
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Everybody has their narrative and meta narrative. Sorry.

    I don’t, except for the fact that the Left is always wrong, which of course, is Truth.

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  18. Cosmik Phred Member
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    I expect that many of them remain unaware that they were misinformed. They still believe the Duke lacrosse players raped a woman, Donald Trump collided with the Russian government, kids from Covington bullied an old man, Kavanaugh abused girls and young women, Smollett was attacked by white supremacists, etc. Their news sources have buried the actual facts,, and so the readers/viewers have no reason to go, “Hmmm . . . .”

    I had an extended discussion with a friend who is pretty well read on the news, but as I found out knows nothing about Covi other than what the CDC says.

    How dare you!!! 

    That “old man”was a Native American elder and a Vietnam veteran.

    Well, a Vietnam-era veteran.

    And those kids walked up to him and menaced him with their smirky, smirking, smirk faces.

    Well, OK, the Native American elder got up in their faces beating a drum/tambourine thingy and…never mind.

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  19. Podkayne of Israel Inactive
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    Franco (View Comment):

    It’s what people want to believe.

    Tell me a bedtime story daddy ( or mommy)

    Lets go to the movies and watch Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts meet, fall in love, break up then find each other again and live happily ever after.

    They want to believe these things, and you telling them it’s fiction spoils all their fun.

    But for another take on this I suggest people watch my recent post featuring Joe Rohan, Tim Pool, Michael Malice, and yes, Alex Jones along with the guy Fernandez who witnessed the Kenosha riots and reported on them and testified at the Rittenhouse trial. Collectively these guys have more people watching them than CNN MSNBC, and Fox combined. They are at the very center of all of this stuff.

    How do I find this pearl of great price?

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    Podkayne of Israel (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    It’s what people want to believe.

    Tell me a bedtime story daddy ( or mommy)

    Lets go to the movies and watch Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts meet, fall in love, break up then find each other again and live happily ever after.

    They want to believe these things, and you telling them it’s fiction spoils all their fun.

    But for another take on this I suggest people watch my recent post featuring Joe Rohan, Tim Pool, Michael Malice, and yes, Alex Jones along with the guy Fernandez who witnessed the Kenosha riots and reported on them and testified at the Rittenhouse trial. Collectively these guys have more people watching them than CNN MSNBC, and Fox combined. They are at the very center of all of this stuff.

    How do I find this pearl of great price?

     

    https://ricochet.com/1092658/epic-nexus/

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  21. Ray Gunner Coolidge
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Truth has a persuasive power of its own, and never more so than in desperate times.

    You could say the same thing about lies.

    I would say the same thing about lies, but here’s a nice difference:

    Lies can live a long time, but they will die eventually.  Truth can be suppressed, twisted, and tortured, but it can never be killed. 

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  22. Franco Member
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    Ray Gunner (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Truth has a persuasive power of its own, and never more so than in desperate times.

    You could say the same thing about lies.

    I would say the same thing about lies, but here’s a nice difference:

    Lies can live a long time, but they will die eventually. Truth can be suppressed, twisted, and tortured, but it can never be killed.

    Unfortunately though, the changes made on the back of lies are almost always irreversible. As we are seeing continually.

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  23. Henry Racette Member
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    Franco (View Comment):

    Ray Gunner (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Truth has a persuasive power of its own, and never more so than in desperate times.

    You could say the same thing about lies.

    I would say the same thing about lies, but here’s a nice difference:

    Lies can live a long time, but they will die eventually. Truth can be suppressed, twisted, and tortured, but it can never be killed.

    Unfortunately though, the changes made on the back of lies are almost always irreversible. As we are seeing continually.

    That remains to be seen. 

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  24. Franco Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    Ray Gunner (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Truth has a persuasive power of its own, and never more so than in desperate times.

    You could say the same thing about lies.

    I would say the same thing about lies, but here’s a nice difference:

    Lies can live a long time, but they will die eventually. Truth can be suppressed, twisted, and tortured, but it can never be killed.

    Unfortunately though, the changes made on the back of lies are almost always irreversible. As we are seeing continually.

    That remains to be seen.

    I’m not predicting the future, I’m reporting on the past. 

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  25. Flicker Coolidge
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    Ray Gunner (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Truth has a persuasive power of its own, and never more so than in desperate times.

    You could say the same thing about lies.

    I would say the same thing about lies, but here’s a nice difference:

    Lies can live a long time, but they will die eventually. Truth can be suppressed, twisted, and tortured, but it can never be killed.

    And Truth is self-existent, but lies only exist in relation to the truth.

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  26. Henry Racette Member
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    Franco (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    Ray Gunner (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Truth has a persuasive power of its own, and never more so than in desperate times.

    You could say the same thing about lies.

    I would say the same thing about lies, but here’s a nice difference:

    Lies can live a long time, but they will die eventually. Truth can be suppressed, twisted, and tortured, but it can never be killed.

    Unfortunately though, the changes made on the back of lies are almost always irreversible. As we are seeing continually.

    That remains to be seen.

    I’m not predicting the future, I’m reporting on the past.

    Well, I suppose when you use the word “irreversible,” you’re doing both. ;)

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  27. Jules PA Inactive
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Jules PA (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: Perhaps something will happen that will open their eyes to their own deception. Perhaps this Rittenhouse trial will be that something. It could be, I suppose. Right?

    I’m thinking it will take more along the lines of numerous plagues to break the hard hearts of the run of the mill democrat voter.

    The leftists are likely signed sealed and already in possession by the father of lies.

    He who has eyes to see and ears to hear…

    The rest are given over to a great delusion.

    And what do you make of this?

    In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.”

    Yes. I make of it good, but if it be possible, remove this cup.

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  28. Jules PA Inactive
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    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Truth has a persuasive power of its own, and never more so than in desperate times.

    You could say the same thing about lies.

    Eventually, enough progressives get mugged.

    You would think that moral imagination would be sufficient., but it generally requires something a bit more…direct. Fortunately (I guess) the Democrats seem intent on providing more and more people across the country with direct, painful evidence of just why their prescriptions are worse than the conditions they seek to cure, EDIT: And with that, exposing the serial mendacity of the MSM. One media “mistake” can be brushed aside, but when they stack up, its hard not to notice.

    My theory, based on a bit of experience (personal, mostly) is that, once the lid gets peeled up just enough to catch a glimpse of what’s inside, sooner or later the whole can of worms will be open. But it can take awhile —as long-time Ricochetti can attest to, in the case of yours truly.

    Love you Granny Dude. 💕

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  29. Chowderhead Coolidge
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    Hmmm…  I read The New York Times and watch CNN every day.  To stay informed.  But as it turned out, I was misinformed about…

    Your premise is wrong. They know enough to not seek something they don’t want to hear. They now have the power to create the past to fit the future. The future is fixed. The past is fluid. Um.. yah that’s it.

    Ministry Of Truth 1984

    In the book 1984, what was the main role of the Ministry of Truth?

    The main role of the Ministry of Truth is to rewrite history to correspond with the Party’s current claims. The function of Minitrue is primarily concerned with the mutability of the past, which is a central tenet of INGSOC. Inside the Ministry of Truth, employees like Winston Smith revise and recreate journals, articles, periodicals, and other forms of media to be utilized as government propaganda.

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