Donald Trump wins First Debate with Chris Christie, Hosted by Peter Robinson

 

Shortly ago, @peterrobinson moderated a debate between on the one hand, the Once and Future President, God-Emperor of the United States Donald Trump — and on the other hand, perennial bridesmaid Chris Christie.

Despite literally mailing in his performance, Trump swept the crowd.  The YouTube video here had 21 comments at the time of this article, and they broke out as 13 for Trump, 2 for Christie, and 6 either off-topic or off-medication.  The comments on the Ricochet post similarly showed a clear preference for Trump, even when controlling for the repeat count of some excitable commenters.

What’s that you say, Lassie?  This wasn’t a debate?  It was just Peter Robinson bulling through a head cold to interview Chris Christie?  And that despite the fact that Trump’s name was brought up more than Biden’s, Obama’s, Robinson’s, or even Christie’s himself, the topic wasn’t actually supposed to be Trump?  Well, your math may be off, but I certainly take your point.  Good dog.  Run along now.

Huh.  So @Peter Robinson recently interviewed Christie.  I’m still trying to figure out how Christie lost the thing but nobody won.  Some people are just losers.  Sad!


Why is Christie running against Trump on China, with nothing to say about Biden? Christie says that Trump “threw bouquets” at China.   Sure — he did so *while beating them in a trade war*, which Robinson did point out a moment later.  Christie said Trump’s position was ‘Trust China” on COVID, yet I think we all recall that Trump had to fight Rs and Ds alike to restrict travel from obviously contagious China.

When I’m dealing with a project manager across the fence, I also say “I trust that PM to produce the desired results and the required reports.” Because nobody on the other side of the fence works for me! That’s a polite way of saying “When you F this up, it’s not on me,” which is the right answer when you have no authority over a loosely connected party.  Nobody in China worked for Trump (certainly none of the self-soothing apparatus of the State Department, much less Xi Jinping and the butchers), so Trump was right to express confidence in China’s ability to handle China’s own problem *while he obviously took care of business here*.  Funny, I didn’t hear Christie talk about Nanny Pelosi urging people to go to Chinatown and eat Asiatic food to prove they’re not racists.

I don’t expect Robinson to go all Project Veritas on Chris Christie — not at this early stage of the game. I figure his role is to help the Rs set up franchises wherever they want. We are pre-Primary at this point, and if we’re going to pretend that elections still matter, then this seems sound.

Chris Christie bunted on gay marriage, punted on abortion, and is running against Trump on China.  Who says he’s no good at sports? 

Back to COVID.  Robinson asked Christie about COVID, and set the table with quotes from Biden and Fauci. Christie went straight to Orange Man Bad, then said “we have a 65% vax rate without mandates.” I am not interested in the sort of quibble that makes the current oppressive, suffocating vax regime somehow not “mandates”.  Christie says he doesn’t think the gummint should issue mandates, but has no problem with employers doing so.

“Employers set terms and conditions of employment all the time.”  I’ll sidestep the obvious things that employers are not even allowed to ask about, but combine this with his earlier talk about there not being mandates in place currently, and he’s just signing off on the OSHA/CDC/federal-and-contractor instruments of coercion.  You get it?  No problem with the way things are going now, but plenty to say about Trump.  (Gosh, I could swear he was just here!)

When asked about woke-ism, Christie explains why we no longer use the term “negro” in general.  But he gets it WRONG!  He says it’s because “African-American people would be offended by the term, and would prefer another term.”  But that’s not why the term went away. That is a MISERABLE reason to do or not do anything. I’m totally okay with the idea that we no longer use the term negro because it was plastered about like the word colored in official usage to effect among other thing Jim Crow laws. The point is not that it’s offensive (or not) to this group or that, but that it rings too richly with a “legal” denial of equality under the law. Not because some feelings are hurt. There’s a difference.

This bodes ill for Christie’s approach to the whole category of woke problems.  He doesn’t have the right foundation from which to think, much less argue.  His foundation for opposing wokeness is just a restatement, slightly diminished, of the woke agenda.

Progressivism doing the speed limit is not Conservatism.

And woke, by the way, is not new.  Woke is PC, is Goodthink, is the Party Line.  Cancel Culture is denunciations, is show trials.  We have seen this all before, and we have seen men like Christie who fail to learn, or just don’t care.

Finally, somewhere in the seasick final fifteen minutes — hatin’ on Trump and barely mentioning Biden or any other Democrat (odd, in the midst of a disastrous Democrat administration)  — he defends the democrat steal, while blaming Trump for not stopping it.  He uses neutral terms for Democrats, and is critical only of Trump — and of noted Educatrix Jill Biden, for “forcing her husband” to do something related to schools or something.  I forget.

Nope, this whole thing was a conversation between Christie and Trump, except Trump wasn’t there, and Christie still lost.

I understand that Christie is being cagey about whether he’s running or not.  It makes sense to see if he can get some traction before declaring, and at any rate, there are (I guess) campaign finance laws that clutch in if you declare.  So I’m not criticizing his tactical flim-flam.  It’s the strategic and topical flim-flam that rankles.

Christie thinks that there is a great opportunity in 2022 and presumably in 2024.  He thinks that it is primarily about disaffected morons (to sum up) who finally might feel that the Democrats have gone a little too far.  Fine.  But good luck without the Trump voters.  Whether Trump runs or not (since we, uh, seem to be speaking about Trump all up in this Christie interview), the people closest to the flagpole are not there because of Trump — Trump is there because of us.  The “T” party is just the Tea Party, we haven’t changed, and we haven’t gone away.  Even Lois Lerner couldn’t vaporize us.

Peter Robinson seems to labor under a cold or a flu — he’s obviously pressing hard.  I hope he is well, and feels better soon.  I like Robinson, and this was obviously a pre-season dry run for Christie.  Fair enough, that’s how these things go.  I’m indebted to Robinson for conducting the interview — I found it informative.  Not all education is about pleasant things.  I’ll never forget Robinson going twelve rounds with Ann Coulter when she tried to tell everybody how severely conservative Romney was.  So I get that this interview is part of the machinery.  And as Republicans, even crunchy Trump-flavored Newt-filled orange-cons, we do want institutions that work, and which do things.  An establishment, if you will.  But that establishment should respect its most ideologically invested base, without which the establishment follows people like Christie into becoming increasingly pale pastels of Democrat colors.

We’re here to save ourselves, and to save you if we can.  Well, I’ve started to repeat myself, so I’ll just shove off.  After all — this has all happened before — 2011 from an old blog of mine:

I cannot describe how angry I am at the clown-car Republican candidate debates, Chris Christie, Mitt Romney, the punditry, the establishment–yep, pretty much the whole lot of ’em.

I have always been hostile to a third-party gambit; I still am. But the GOP seems hell-bent to have one. Ever since the Tea Party behaved magnificently and returned the GOP to power in an historic crushing mid-term defeat of the Communists currently defiling our Capitol, the GOP has been absolutely set on destroying the morale of the organization which restored the spirit of the Republican Party. Well, it’s not going to work.

If the RINOs insist on sabotaging the work of the Tea Party *to elect Republicans*, they will harm only themselves. The Tea Party has never supported and will never support a Democrat, and of course will not accept spineless tax & spend Republicans.

Christie is a plague.  Been that way for quite some time.

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  1. Clavius Thatcher
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    I’m sorry but Chris Christie is just another loser establishment RINO.  Delenda est.

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  2. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
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    Funny way to say it. I like it. 

    Peter does a good job.

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  3. BDB Coolidge
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    Clavius (View Comment):

    I’m sorry but Chris Christie is just another loser establishment RINO. Delenda est.

    Sad!

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  4. BDB Coolidge
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    I look at it this way:  Christie intends to run, and sees Trump as his threat.  Were either of those not true, Christie would focus on Democrats.
    He pointedly did not.  He focused on Trump.

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  5. Dotorimuk Coolidge
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    Christie’s candidacy would make body-shaming okay again.

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  6. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    He’ll finish eleventh in a field of ten people.

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  7. Flicker Coolidge
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    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    He’ll finish eleventh in a field of ten people.

    You mean tenth and eleventh.

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  8. BDB Coolidge
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    I have intentionally restricted my comments about morbid obesity to those (on the Original OP) about years of seeking the highest office in the land while refusing to demonstrate the barest of requirements for a modern election.

    I have specifically avoided referring to the original OP as Boardwaddle Empire, and I will thank you people to do the same.  We have standards.

     

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  9. Flicker Coolidge
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    BDB (View Comment):
    Boardwaddle

    Boardwaddle?!  Isn’t that served with walnut syrup, whipped cream and strawberries?

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  10. BDB Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):
    Boardwaddle

    Boardwaddle?! Isn’t that served with walnut syrup, whipped cream and strawberries?

    I’ll take maple syrup.  Walnuts suck.

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  11. Stina Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    I look at it this way: Christie intends to run, and sees Trump as his threat. Were either of those not true, Christie would focus on Democrats.
    He pointedly did not. He focused on Trump.

    Yeah, but if he thinks Trump is his biggest threat, maybe he should have focused on setting himself apart on the things people DIDN’T like about Trump, not what people DID like.

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  12. Franco Member
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    There’s so much here. I’ve said a lot already but, a good chunk of my anti-Christie sentiment is that he’s a horrible politician.

    Whatever point he’s trying to make here,

    BDB: When asked about woke-ism, Christie explains why we no longer use the term “negro” in general.

    it’s really stupid politically. These establishment Republicans fancy themselves expert at putting forth an ‘acceptable’ image of the party, and apparently don’t notice that using words from the 1950’s for black folk – whatever the nuanced point – will be mocked and pilloried to great effect.

    But apparently they can’t see it, being trapped in a cult of anyone who has credentials and talks like a Republican who isn’t Donald Trump.

     

     

     

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  13. BDB Coolidge
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    Stina (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    I look at it this way: Christie intends to run, and sees Trump as his threat. Were either of those not true, Christie would focus on Democrats.
    He pointedly did not. He focused on Trump.

    Yeah, but if he thinks Trump is his biggest threat, maybe he should have focused on setting himself apart on the things people DIDN’T like about Trump, not what people DID like.

    That’s a great point.

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  14. Franco Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    I have intentionally restricted my comments about morbid obesity to those (on the Original OP) about years of seeking the highest office in the land while refusing to demonstrate the barest of requirements for a modern election.

    I have specifically avoided referring to the original OP as Boardwaddle Empire, and I will thank you people to do the same. We have standards.

     

    Yes, sir! I’m trying to stifle my laughter at Boardwaddle, but it’s really difficult. 

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  15. Flicker Coolidge
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    Franco (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    I have intentionally restricted my comments about morbid obesity to those (on the Original OP) about years of seeking the highest office in the land while refusing to demonstrate the barest of requirements for a modern election.

    I have specifically avoided referring to the original OP as Boardwaddle Empire, and I will thank you people to do the same. We have standards.

     

    Yes, sir! I’m trying to stifle my laughter at Boardwaddle, but it’s really difficult.

    That was good, wasn’t it.

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  16. James Salerno Coolidge
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    Main feed, here we go!*

     

    *probably not

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  17. Franco Member
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    Another New Jersey Republican Governor (Never Trumper) who embarrassed us in national news.
    This type of politician is what everyone hates.
    This is not just a mistake. This is blindness.

    Jul 12, 2000July 12, 2000 4:00am. A defiant New Jersey Gov. Christie Todd Whitman rejected growing demands yesterday that she apologize for a 1996 incident where she grinned as she frisked a black man while …

     

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  18. Flicker Coolidge
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    James Salerno (View Comment):

    Main feed, here we go!*

     

    *probably not

    Why not?  It promotes their podcast, doesn’t it?

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  19. Flicker Coolidge
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    Franco (View Comment):

    Another New Jersey Republican Governor (Never Trumper) who embarrassed us in national news.
    This type of politician is what everyone hates.
    This is not just a mistake. This is blindness.

    There’s another thing, so small it’s probably completely unimportant.  One time at Mar a Lago, Trump had invited a lot of people to dinner.  Everyone got to order their own dinner off the menu but Christie, for whom Trump took the liberty of ordering the meatloaf that he proudly praises.

    I just wonder how that story got out.  But I do know this for a fact: All day Christie had been really looking forward to the duck a l’orange.

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  20. Max Admin
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    I saw Christie up here in New Hampshire in 2015. He’s short. 

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  21. Steven Seward Member
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    Max (View Comment):

    I saw Christie up here in New Hampshire in 2015. He’s short.

    You’re right.  I snapped this picture of him talking to Scott Walker during a break at the first Republican Debate in 2015.  Walker himself is not tall (maybe 5’9″ or 5’10”).  I know this because I met him later next year at the RNC Convention.  Trump looks on as Mike Huckabee receives a faith-healing from a young woman.

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  22. thelonious Member
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    Running for President is good grift ain’t it. Get a few million dollars from a few suckers who actually think you have a chance to win. Campaign managers take a percentage of that money. Give a few cronies a job for a few months. Get a little exposure for yourself. I think most of these candidates know they have no chance but being a candidate is a nice gig to have for a few months.

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  23. kedavis Member
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    thelonious (View Comment):

    Running for President is good grift ain’t it. Get a few million dollars from a few suckers who actually think you have a chance to win. Campaign managers take a percentage of that money. Give a few cronies a job for a few months. Get a little exposure for yourself. I think most of these candidates know they have no chance but being a candidate is a nice gig to have for a few months.

    And they get called “presidential candidate” by CNN etc forever more.

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  24. Max Admin
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    Liz Cheney is going to run for president because she wants to insult Donald Trump on national television in a debate. She’ll be heralded as a hero by the same media goons who hated her father. She’ll get less than 1% of the Republican primary vote, if she even makes it to Iowa.

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  25. ERIC PIERSON Thatcher
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    Max, those stats put her in line to be the next female VP. They worked for our present one.

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  26. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    GOPe: “We need to put Trump behind us!”

    Also GOPe: “Let’s talk about Trump! Trump! Trump! And also Trump!”

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  27. Franco Member
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    ERIC PIERSON (View Comment):

    Max, those stats put her in line to be the next female VP. They worked for our present one.

    We could actually have a 2024 ticket of Bush/Cheney. Jeb and Liz . I wouldn’t put it past the GoPe. 
    And not to forget, they wanted Jeb! in 2016. Maybe we should put ‘Bush’ behind us instead? 12 years as President plus 8 years of Vice President… but of course Jeb is “his own man”.

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  28. BDB Coolidge
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    Franco (View Comment):

    ERIC PIERSON (View Comment):

    Max, those stats put her in line to be the next female VP. They worked for our present one.

    We could actually have a 2024 ticket of Bush/Cheney. Jeb and Liz . I wouldn’t put it past the GoPe.
    And not to forget, they wanted Jeb! in 2016. Maybe we should put ‘Bush’ behind us instead? 12 years as President plus 8 years of Vice President… but of course Jeb is “his own man”.

    Yeah, we need to look forward, not backward!

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  29. James Salerno Coolidge
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    Franco (View Comment):

    ERIC PIERSON (View Comment):

    Max, those stats put her in line to be the next female VP. They worked for our present one.

    We could actually have a 2024 ticket of Bush/Cheney. Jeb and Liz . I wouldn’t put it past the GoPe.
    And not to forget, they wanted Jeb! in 2016. Maybe we should put ‘Bush’ behind us instead? 12 years as President plus 8 years of Vice President… but of course Jeb is “his own man”.

    One thing I’ll say about the Republican party is that they’ve always known how to read the room.

    Onward and upward!

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  30. Flicker Coolidge
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Max (View Comment):

    I saw Christie up here in New Hampshire in 2015. He’s short.

    You’re right. I snapped this picture of him talking to Scott Walker during a break at the first Republican Debate in 2015. Walker himself is not tall (maybe 5’9″ or 5’10”). I know this because I met him later next year at the RNC Convention. Trump looks on as Mike Huckabee receives a faith-healing from a young woman.

    Great photo.  Looks like a Norman Rockwell.

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