Border Troubles in Poland

 

There are two pipelines in play in Europe. One is Nord Stream 2 that bypasses Ukraine and Poland to deliver natural gas to Germany. The second is a pipeline that originates in Belarus that delivers refugees from the Middle East to destabilize Poland, Lithuania, and Latvia.

Belarus, no more than a Russian proxy, imports Middle Eastern refugees and then sends them to the border with Poland, Lithuania, and Latvia and then tries to push them across their borders.

From Radio Free Europe:

EU members Poland and Lithuania say they are stepping up security at their borders with Belarus as Warsaw said that thousands of migrants were massing near the Belarusian side of the border.

In recent months, thousands of migrants from the Middle East, South Asia, and Africa have attempted to illegally enter Poland and fellow EU members Latvia and Lithuania from Belarus.

The EU has accused Belarusian strongman Alyaksandr Lukashenka of flying in migrants and funneling them to the bloc’s borders to retaliate against Brussels for sanctions imposed over a sweeping crackdown on the political opposition, civil society, and independent media since last year’s disputed presidential election.

Polish government spokesman Piotr Muller told reporters on November 8 that there were currently around 3,000-4,000 migrants near the Belarusian border with Poland, and thousands more ready to follow them.

We have our own problems with our southern border. The difference is our problems are self-inflicted. Poland, Lithuania, and Latvia have a problem with a Russian proxy, a proxy that receives encouragement from Moscow. Governed by a former KGB agent, and a culture of mischief that is embedded in their mother’s milk.

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  1. Bob Thompson Member
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    Doug Watt: We have our own problems with our southern border. The difference is our problems are self-inflicted. Poland, Lithuania, Latvia have a problem with a Russian proxy, a proxy that receives encouragement from Moscow.

    I agree that our southern border problem can be described as self-inflicted but does that fact make it different?  Are not both serving the interests of their Marxist supporters? Is our government supporting Marxists by decontrolling our southern border? That lack of border control does not appear in any way to support our existing law and traditional American values.

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  2. Doug Watt Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Doug Watt: We have our own problems with our southern border. The difference is our problems are self-inflicted. Poland, Lithuania, Latvia have a problem with a Russian proxy, a proxy that receives encouragement from Moscow.

    I agree that our southern border problem can be described as self-inflicted but does that fact make it different? Are not both serving the interests of their Marxist supporters? Is our government supporting Marxists by decontrolling our southern border? That lack of border control does not appear in any way to support our existing law and traditional American values.

    No, it’s not so different, and the second wave heading for our border is violent in their engagement with Mexican forces that are trying to stop the march.

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  3. The Reticulator Member
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    One thing Putin accomplishes with these border wars is dissension within the EU, which doesn’t like it when member countries patrol their borders against refugees.   I sometimes like dissension within the EU, too, but not when it suits Putin’s agenda. 

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  4. DonG (CAGW is a hoax) Coolidge
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):
    No, it’s not so different, and the second wave heading for our border is violent in their engagement with Mexican forces that are trying to stop the march.

    Do you think Team Biden floating that $450,000.00 payoff idea was just another nudge to boost the numbers? 

     

    I trust the Poles to manage their borders and their country.  They don’t like Commies and they don’t like invasions.   They are willing and able to repell anyone not supported with tanks.

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  5. The Reticulator Member
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    DonG (CAGW is a hoax) (View Comment):
    I trust the Poles to manage their borders and their country.  They don’t like Commies and they don’t like invasions.   They are willing and able to repell anyone not supported with tanks.

    The problem is, the EU doesn’t trust the Poles to manage their borders and their country.  

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  6. Manny Coolidge
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    The nerve of people who think they can just go to another country and invade their space.  The polish soldiers were quite restraint.  I’m not sure how I would have been in their shoes.

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  7. Kozak Member
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    The entire Polish and Ukrainian border with Belarus should be one gigantic razor wire barrier and mind field.

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  8. American Abroad Thatcher
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    This is a fascinating issue, Doug.  Thank you for bringing it to our attention. 

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  9. Front Seat Cat Member
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    Manny (View Comment):

    The nerve of people who think they can just go to another country and invade their space. The polish soldiers were quite restraint. I’m not sure how I would have been in their shoes.

    They didn’t just float there – people are being used as political pawns – like a chess game – all over the world.  It’s despicable.

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  10. Manny Coolidge
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    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    The nerve of people who think they can just go to another country and invade their space. The polish soldiers were quite restraint. I’m not sure how I would have been in their shoes.

    They didn’t just float there – people are being used as political pawns – like a chess game – all over the world. It’s despicable.

    Agreed. But they still have to concur and cut the barbed wire and fencing. It’s still an act of will on their part. 

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  11. The Reticulator Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    The entire Polish and Ukrainian border with Belarus should be one gigantic razor wire barrier and mind field.

    I think it’s becoming that way. A few months ago I spent some time with Google Satellite View and StreetView,  looking at the border between Poland and Belarus, thinking I’d like to go bicycling there and wondering how close to the border I could get.  (StreetView is not allowed in Belarus. There is a fair amount of StreetView imagry for Russia, but none for Belarus. In a lot of countries where StreetView is allowed it apparently isn’t allowed right up to the border, so I get curious as to how close one can get.)  Anyhow, at the time of the imagry it seemed the border wasn’t very distinct or protected in a lot of rural places, though such things can often get missed when relying on StreetView to see them.  But my understanding is that it’s all changing now.

    Sergei “Sputnikov,” who now lives in southwest Michigan and has the Ushanka Show YouTube channel, has ties to a village near the place where the borders of Belarus, Ukraine, and Russia meet. It’s a village where he used to spend summers with his grandparents back in the Soviet days, and his mother lives there now.  It looked like the StreetView camera ran into some border patrols when it got close, but the area didn’t seem to be extremely militarized.  That may be changing, too.

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  12. I Walton Member
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    Why can border states not stop illegals, including by renewing wall building?  Republican non border states can help.  If they  send Federal troops after some delay, it lets everyone  know where we’re heading after they steal the next election and lets sane Democrats know they’ll be in a country run by NY city LA etc. which can’t work for long.  The rest would be much better off.  The only question is China, but if they’re already calling the shots and controlling so much what can they do, join the Democrats to declare war on free states?  Would such a gesture help or hurt us in the next election?    My guess is that’ they’d not be able to oppose and would help to not look helpless.

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  13. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    This issue is getting a lot of attention in the media, here as you might expect. I will post a reference to my article on another point of contention between the EU and some former Eastern Block countries elsewhere to avoid threadjacking here. 

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  14. Front Seat Cat Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    The entire Polish and Ukrainian border with Belarus should be one gigantic razor wire barrier and mind field.

    I think it’s becoming that way. A few months ago I spent some time with Google Satellite View and StreetView, looking at the border between Poland and Belarus, thinking I’d like to go bicycling there and wondering how close to the border I could get. (StreetView is not allowed in Belarus. There is a fair amount of StreetView imagry for Russia, but none for Belarus. In a lot of countries where StreetView is allowed it apparently isn’t allowed right up to the border, so I get curious as to how close one can get.) Anyhow, at the time of the imagry it seemed the border wasn’t very distinct or protected in a lot of rural places, though such things can often get missed when relying on StreetView to see them. But my understanding is that it’s all changing now.

    Sergei “Sputnikov,” who now lives in southwest Michigan and has the Ushanka Show YouTube channel, has ties to a village near the place where the borders of Belarus, Ukraine, and Russia meet. It’s a village where he used to spend summers with his grandparents back in the Soviet days, and his mother lives there now. It looked like the StreetView camera ran into some border patrols when it got close, but the area didn’t seem to be extremely militarized. That may be changing, too.

    Wow – very interesting – your whole comment.  My Russian hairdresser last year, had an older woman helping her in her salon, to wash hair, etc. and spoke very little English. (She had flaming red hair!). I got out of her that she was from Belarus, but said her husband could not get out yet – he sends money.  I got the feeling things were very dicey there. 

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  15. Front Seat Cat Member
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    This story is front and center tonight on BBC News – it’s a big deal.  I don’t understand why “refugees” from the Middle East are flooding Europe and the US – I get the Biden complete debacle of Afghanistan  – who is in charge and why are so many ending up on Western civilization’s borders? 

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  16. Manny Coolidge
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    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    This story is front and center tonight on BBC News – it’s a big deal. I don’t understand why “refugees” from the Middle East are flooding Europe and the US – I get the Biden complete debacle of Afghanistan – who is in charge and why are so many ending up on Western civilization’s borders?

    Because there is money in Europe and they want to take it over and make it another Sharia hell hole.

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  17. Eridemus Coolidge
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    It’s a main story on the BBC today too.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59231136A

    As far as the US case being self-inflicted, that is part of it here but I’ve been curious how could migrants including many Haitians, who have been scattered in South America, somehow all show up at a little known empty parking lot in a spot like Del Rio without it being coordinated by some other outside forces? Is it credible that would ony be the Mexican cartels? George Soros? This surely could be uncovered and is a stealth attack even if the administration cannot admit it and would hate the cure (return to Trump policies). Meanwhile planeloads of unidentified kids are coming into Florida nightly. Poland is right to resist arrivals of hard to assimilate uninvited people as sad as their cases may be, or the trend will just escalate. We are only able to cloak our problem at this time due to size of the country and past(?) wealth, but the spending tsunami doesn’t need more loading. 

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  18. Captain French Moderator
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    Powerline blog is also covering the situation.

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