Prop Guns and Blanks

 

Words have meaning. Any firearm capable of pushing a projectile out of barrel is not a prop, even though it might be used as a prop. Blanks are capable of causing physical injury, serious physical injury, and death.

The investigation into the accidental shooting involving Alec Baldwin, the death of Director of Photography Halnya Hutchins, and the wounding of Director Joel Souza is ongoing. I’m not going to comment on what the result of that investigation will be. Two statements that have been made have caught my attention.

There were at least two accidental gun discharges on the set of an Alec Baldwin movie being filmed in New Mexico days before he fatally shot the cinematographer, according to three former members of the film’s crew. – from the New York Times

Guns do not discharge themselves. Someone has to pull the trigger. Guns used as a prop should not have a modified trigger, or a hair-trigger. If the discharges were due to mishandling the weapon that calls for better training of the actor. If the actor is uncooperative he/she should not be allowed to handle a firearm.

If the armorer determines there is a mechanical problem with the firearm then it’s time to find a gunsmith.

According to the affidavit by the detective in the Santa Fe County sheriff’s office, the gun used in the shooting was set up by Hannah Gutierrez, the production’s armorer, and handed to Mr. Baldwin by Dave Halls, the assistant director. Neither Ms. Gutierrez nor Mr. Halls responded to requests for comment. – from the New York Times

According to the current story Mr. Baldwin was told the gun was cold. A firearm that can fire blanks is never cold. It’s either empty, or loaded.

There should be a chain of custody protocol on a movie, or television set. The armorer should hand the firearm to the actor. As a secondary check the armorer should check the weapon in the presence of the actor. The actor should not receive the firearm from anyone else on the crew.

All firearms that can fire a projectile should be considered hot. I treat my own firearms, and a firearm that belongs to anyone else  as hot before I clean them, handle them, or if a friend would like to handle one. I follow that protocol at a gun store.

Actors in particular are at serious risk of injury from blank cartridges used on movie sets. Several actors have been killed in such mishaps:

Brandon Lee was killed while filming a scene for the 1994 film The Crow when a .44-caliber S&W Model 629 revolver used as a prop that contained a squib load — a bullet accidentally stuck in the gun barrel — was fired with a blank cartridge, which propelled the lodged bullet down the barrel. As reported in the investigation and court records, the dummy round used during an earlier shoot was handloaded by someone other than a firearms expert, who removed the propellant powder but unknowingly left a live primer in place, resulting in a bullet being separated from the casing without enough energy behind it to exit the barrel. The gun was not properly checked for the retained bullet prior to the incident, and the squib load was then blown out of the barrel by the blast energy of the blank, fatally injuring Lee.

Jon-Erik Hexum was killed on the set of the TV series Cover Up, when he placed a blank-loaded .44 Magnum revolver to his right temple and pulled the trigger as a joke — the powerful shockwave from the blank cartridge caused a depression fracture to the skull, sending bone fragments deep into his brain and causing severe intracranial hemorrhage. He died a few days after the accident.

Johann Ofner, a professional stunt double, was killed in 2017 while filming a scene for Bliss n Eso music video “Dopamine” in the Brooklyn Standard bar in Brisbane.

A 17-year old was playing with a gun used in a St. George, Utah high school theatre program to be used in a production of Oklahoma!, and accidentally killed himself, thinking that “blank” cartridges were harmless. – from Wikipedia

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  1. JoshuaFinch Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    A couple weeks ago I was at a nearby convenience store, and the keypad think didn’t like the chip in my debit card. The attractive young lady at the register said “put it in slow, and take it out slow.”

    Funniest thing I’ve read all day other than powerlineblog.com defining Alec Baldwin as “an anti-gun nut who kills more people with a gun than your extensive firearm collection ever has.”

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  2. Arthur Beare Member
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    Most of this discussion has focused on negligence 

    Has anybody considered that this event might not have been entirely accidental?  Might someone who really hated Baldwin (I understand there are a few such persons), or just wanted to sabotage the production, have deliberately loaded a live round in hope of generating an embarrassing accident, but without the intention of someone being seriously injured? 

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    Arthur Beare (View Comment):

    Most of this discussion has focused on negligence

    Has anybody considered that this event might not have been entirely accidental? Might someone who really hated Baldwin (I understand there are a few such persons), or just wanted to sabotage the production, have deliberately loaded a live round in hope of generating an embarrassing accident, but without the intention of someone being seriously injured?

    That’s something I wondered earlier, perhaps on the other major thread about this, considering there had been “misfires” before on the set, and the union workers had quit over safety concerns.

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    Arthur Beare (View Comment):

    Most of this discussion has focused on negligence

    Has anybody considered that this event might not have been entirely accidental? Might someone who really hated Baldwin (I understand there are a few such persons), or just wanted to sabotage the production, have deliberately loaded a live round in hope of generating an embarrassing accident, but without the intention of someone being seriously injured?

    Sure.  If we expand our scope to things for which no evidence or reporting has been produced, we could come up with all sorts of things.

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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Arthur Beare (View Comment):

    Most of this discussion has focused on negligence

    Has anybody considered that this event might not have been entirely accidental? Might someone who really hated Baldwin (I understand there are a few such persons), or just wanted to sabotage the production, have deliberately loaded a live round in hope of generating an embarrassing accident, but without the intention of someone being seriously injured?

    That’s something I wondered earlier, perhaps on the other major thread about this, considering there had been “misfires” before on the set, and the union workers had quit over safety concerns.

    You know I think I’m with, I think, Percival on this.  It took a day to realize that “misfires” weren’t misfires, but shots fired.  And come to think of it, if this had happened two or three times before why didn’t Baldwin check his own gun?

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    Flicker (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Arthur Beare (View Comment):

    Most of this discussion has focused on negligence

    Has anybody considered that this event might not have been entirely accidental? Might someone who really hated Baldwin (I understand there are a few such persons), or just wanted to sabotage the production, have deliberately loaded a live round in hope of generating an embarrassing accident, but without the intention of someone being seriously injured?

    That’s something I wondered earlier, perhaps on the other major thread about this, considering there had been “misfires” before on the set, and the union workers had quit over safety concerns.

    You know I think I’m with, I think, Percival on this. It took a day to realize that “misfires” weren’t misfires, but shots fired. And come to think of it, if this had happened two or three times before why didn’t Baldwin check his own gun?

    In this context I never thought “misfire” meant “failure to fire.”

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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Arthur Beare (View Comment):

    Most of this discussion has focused on negligence

    Has anybody considered that this event might not have been entirely accidental? Might someone who really hated Baldwin (I understand there are a few such persons), or just wanted to sabotage the production, have deliberately loaded a live round in hope of generating an embarrassing accident, but without the intention of someone being seriously injured?

    That’s something I wondered earlier, perhaps on the other major thread about this, considering there had been “misfires” before on the set, and the union workers had quit over safety concerns.

    You know I think I’m with, I think, Percival on this. It took a day to realize that “misfires” weren’t misfires, but shots fired. And come to think of it, if this had happened two or three times before why didn’t Baldwin check his own gun?

    In this context I never thought “misfire” meant “failure to fire.”

    That’s the way I intuitively interpreted the staff reportedly saying that there has been two misfires in the previous week.  How was I supposed to know that it meant unintended discharges.

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    Flicker (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Arthur Beare (View Comment):

    Most of this discussion has focused on negligence

    Has anybody considered that this event might not have been entirely accidental? Might someone who really hated Baldwin (I understand there are a few such persons), or just wanted to sabotage the production, have deliberately loaded a live round in hope of generating an embarrassing accident, but without the intention of someone being seriously injured?

    That’s something I wondered earlier, perhaps on the other major thread about this, considering there had been “misfires” before on the set, and the union workers had quit over safety concerns.

    You know I think I’m with, I think, Percival on this. It took a day to realize that “misfires” weren’t misfires, but shots fired. And come to think of it, if this had happened two or three times before why didn’t Baldwin check his own gun?

    In this context I never thought “misfire” meant “failure to fire.”

    That’s the way I intuitively interpreted the staff reportedly saying that there has been two misfires in the previous week. How was I supposed to know that it meant unintended discharges.

    Well, I didn’t think the crew would quit because of FAILURES to fire.

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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Arthur Beare (View Comment):

    Most of this discussion has focused on negligence

    Has anybody considered that this event might not have been entirely accidental? Might someone who really hated Baldwin (I understand there are a few such persons), or just wanted to sabotage the production, have deliberately loaded a live round in hope of generating an embarrassing accident, but without the intention of someone being seriously injured?

    That’s something I wondered earlier, perhaps on the other major thread about this, considering there had been “misfires” before on the set, and the union workers had quit over safety concerns.

    You know I think I’m with, I think, Percival on this. It took a day to realize that “misfires” weren’t misfires, but shots fired. And come to think of it, if this had happened two or three times before why didn’t Baldwin check his own gun?

    In this context I never thought “misfire” meant “failure to fire.”

    That’s the way I intuitively interpreted the staff reportedly saying that there has been two misfires in the previous week. How was I supposed to know that it meant unintended discharges.

    Well, I didn’t think the crew would quit because of FAILURES to fire.

    No, that was union stuff and catering issues.  Really, I read it early on.

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    Arthur Beare (View Comment):

    Most of this discussion has focused on negligence

    Has anybody considered that this event might not have been entirely accidental? Might someone who really hated Baldwin (I understand there are a few such persons), or just wanted to sabotage the production, have deliberately loaded a live round in hope of generating an embarrassing accident, but without the intention of someone being seriously injured?

    Possible, but it was still Baldwin’s negligence in checking the firearm when he took possession of it.

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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Arthur Beare (View Comment):

    Most of this discussion has focused on negligence

    Has anybody considered that this event might not have been entirely accidental? Might someone who really hated Baldwin (I understand there are a few such persons), or just wanted to sabotage the production, have deliberately loaded a live round in hope of generating an embarrassing accident, but without the intention of someone being seriously injured?

    Possible, but it was still Baldwin’s negligence in checking the firearm when he took possession of it.

    And pointing it at another person.

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    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Arthur Beare (View Comment):

    Most of this discussion has focused on negligence

    Has anybody considered that this event might not have been entirely accidental? Might someone who really hated Baldwin (I understand there are a few such persons), or just wanted to sabotage the production, have deliberately loaded a live round in hope of generating an embarrassing accident, but without the intention of someone being seriously injured?

    Possible, but it was still Baldwin’s negligence in checking the firearm when he took possession of it.

    And pointing it at another person.

    And pulling the trigger.

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