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1. Member
   Steven Seward

   @StevenSeward

   9:54 AM EDT ⋅ Oct 19, 2021

   Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

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   With all due respect, I don’t see any of those things you mentioned as being permanent or “unchangeable.” Your husband’s business and many others may not survive. Does that mean they will all sit home and live off the dole for the rest of their lives? We’ve had major upheavals in the business world ever since the country was founded and it did not cripple us economically. On the contrary, we only got better. Don’t forget, the largest single increase in history of our National Gross Domestic Product occurred right after the majority of lockdowns were lifted more than a year ago.

   Children have lived through depressions, disease epidemics, world wars and lost fathers in battle in this country and it hasn’t damaged our national psyche in the past.

   I don’t see religious people abandoning their faith just because some bureaucrats shut down their place of worship for part of a year. If that was enough to stop a believer, then they weren’t very serious to begin with.

   Back in the 1970’s inflation was double what it is now, and we recovered to have almost no inflation for three decades.

   Citizens have abandoned faith in institutions long before Biden became President, which was only nine months ago.

   This all assumes that the only thing that doesn’t change is the character of the people. Not true.

   The fastest growing “religious” group in the US is Nones — no affiliation — virtual, if not actual, atheists. How many young people do you know in their 20’s and 30’s who intend never to have children in order to “save the planet?” I know some in their 40’s past childbearing age who made that decision long ago.

   You’ve got me on this one.  The U.S. is among the leading countries when it comes to a belief in God, and maybe number one among industrialized countries, but belief is gradually fading away according to surveys.  I wish it weren’t so.  By the way, I’m good with the young people who  want to “save the planet” not having kids.  That is a plus.  On the other hand, Orthodox Jews both here and in Israel have astronomically high birth rates.  If I’m not mistaken, they are the fastest growing population demographic in the World.

2. Coolidge
   Manny

   @Manny

   1:26 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 19, 2021

   Depends what you mean by hope.  We will probably take congress next year.  We might even take the presidency in three years.  Do I think this culture will reverse this leftist trend of say the last twenty years?  No.  Do I think we will be a center-right country again?  Not in my lifetime.  We’ll have some tax cut and reductions in the rate of government growth for a while, and then when the Dems get back in increased them right up and beyond. One step to the right, two steps to the left.  And meanwhile the absurdity of transgender sex changes, gay marriage, legalized drugs, legalized prostitution, abortions, and the like get institutionalized into the culture.  The majority of the Democratic Party now supports socialism, and so they are less split than we are.  AOC represents the rising energy of their party, not an old timer like Mancin.  Sorry if I don’t share the hope.  So I put my trust in the words of St. Teresa of Avila:

   “Let nothing disturb you, nothing frighten you, all things are passing, God is unchanging. Patience gains all; nothing is lacking to those who have God: God alone is sufficient.”

   That is all that one can do.  But hope for this country?  Well, I hope I’m wrong but I don’t see it.

3. Member
   Annefy

   @Annefy

   2:24 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 19, 2021

   Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

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   This all assumes that the only thing that doesn’t change is the character of the people. Not true.

   The fastest growing “religious” group in the US is Nones — no affiliation — virtual, if not actual, atheists. How many young people do you know in their 20’s and 30’s who intend never to have children in order to “save the planet?” I know some in their 40’s past childbearing age who made that decision long ago.

   Good. We don’t want those people breeding. 

   Parenthood can be life changing and is an opportunity for the average person to attain greatness. I’m watching in real time many idiots get a clue upon being faced with the responsibilities of parenthood.

   Oh wait – the first person I witnessed undergo that change was me. You wouldn’t have liked me much 35 years ago.

    

4. Member
   Annefy

   @Annefy

   2:35 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 19, 2021

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   -snip

   With all due respect, I don’t see any of those things you mentioned as being permanent or “unchangeable.” Your husband’s business and many others may not survive. Does that mean they will all sit home and live off the dole for the rest of their lives? We’ve had major upheavals in the business world ever since the country was founded and it did not cripple us economically. On the contrary, we only got better. Don’t forget, the largest single increase in history of our National Gross Domestic Product occurred right after the majority of lockdowns were lifted more than a year ago.

   Children have lived through depressions, disease epidemics, world wars and lost fathers in battle in this country and it hasn’t damaged our national psyche in the past.

   I don’t see religious people abandoning their faith just because some bureaucrats shut down their place of worship for part of a year. If that was enough to stop a believer, then they weren’t very serious to begin with.

   Back in the 1970’s inflation was double what it is now, and we recovered to have almost no inflation for three decades.

   Citizens have abandoned faith in institutions long before Biden became President, which was only nine months ago.

   Yes, but now the citizens have been abandoned by their faith institutions.

   As to your comment about depressions, disease epidemics, world wars and lost fathers and it not changing the national psyche, you basically just described my parents’ childhoods. And are you seriously claiming that the citizens of Australia would not be suffering the way they are now had they not sacrificed so many in the World Wars? And that the World Wars, with its men that never came home, and the women who never married, and the children who were never born, didn’t turn Britain into a country full of people with dependence-on-the-government issues?

   Sure, America is different and special. We have witnessed all the “different” and the “special” qualities get bred and taught out of Yanks in our lifetimes. We are a young country, we have plenty of time to go the way of Canada, Australia and the UK. 

   As to the rest of your reply, all I can say is, we’ll see.  In my opinion we probably passed the point of no return a while back; now we are hurtling in the wrong direction.

   We’ll see.

    

    

5. Member
   Western Chauvinist

   @WesternChauvinist

   

   3:12 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 19, 2021

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   This all assumes that the only thing that doesn’t change is the character of the people. Not true.

   The fastest growing “religious” group in the US is Nones — no affiliation — virtual, if not actual, atheists. How many young people do you know in their 20’s and 30’s who intend never to have children in order to “save the planet?” I know some in their 40’s past childbearing age who made that decision long ago.

   Good. We don’t want those people breeding.

   Parenthood can be life changing and is an opportunity for the average person to attain greatness. I’m watching in real time many idiots get a clue upon being faced with the responsibilities of parenthood.

   Oh wait – the first person I witnessed undergo that change was me. You wouldn’t have liked me much 35 years ago.

   Yes! There’s probably nothing better at red-pilling women than having children. And women, generally, are the (lefty feels) political problem. There’d never be another Democrat president if only men were voting.

6. Member
   Henry Castaigne

   @HenryCastaigne

   3:18 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 19, 2021

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   This all assumes that the only thing that doesn’t change is the character of the people. Not true.

   The fastest growing “religious” group in the US is Nones — no affiliation — virtual, if not actual, atheists. How many young people do you know in their 20’s and 30’s who intend never to have children in order to “save the planet?” I know some in their 40’s past childbearing age who made that decision long ago.

   Good. We don’t want those people breeding.

   Parenthood can be life changing and is an opportunity for the average person to attain greatness. I’m watching in real time many idiots get a clue upon being faced with the responsibilities of parenthood.

   Oh wait – the first person I witnessed undergo that change was me. You wouldn’t have liked me much 35 years ago.

   Yes! There’s probably nothing better at red-pilling women than having children. And women, generally, are the (lefty feels) political problem. There’d never be another Democrat president if only men were voting.

   I think we should genetically engineer people to place reason above logic.

7. Member
   Hoyacon

   @Hoyacon

   3:28 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 19, 2021

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   This all assumes that the only thing that doesn’t change is the character of the people. Not true.

   The fastest growing “religious” group in the US is Nones — no affiliation — virtual, if not actual, atheists. How many young people do you know in their 20’s and 30’s who intend never to have children in order to “save the planet?” I know some in their 40’s past childbearing age who made that decision long ago.

   Good. We don’t want those people breeding.

   Parenthood can be life changing and is an opportunity for the average person to attain greatness. I’m watching in real time many idiots get a clue upon being faced with the responsibilities of parenthood.

   Oh wait – the first person I witnessed undergo that change was me. You wouldn’t have liked me much 35 years ago.

   Yes! There’s probably nothing better at red-pilling women than having children. And women, generally, are the (lefty feels) political problem. There’d never be another Democrat president if only men were voting.

   I think we should genetically engineer people to place reason above logic.

   Are you sure it’s not logic above reason?

8. Member
   Zafar

   @Zafar

   3:32 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 19, 2021

   Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
   Good. We don’t want those people breeding. This is why I’m grateful that Zafar is gay. He shouldn’t breed and pass on his anti-Western opinions to the next generation. 

   It’s always nice to be thought of! Though I’ve never had a wife, how can I stop beating her?

   (Bad news: genes are not opinions.)

9. Member
   Annefy

   @Annefy

   3:42 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 19, 2021

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   This all assumes that the only thing that doesn’t change is the character of the people. Not true.

   The fastest growing “religious” group in the US is Nones — no affiliation — virtual, if not actual, atheists. How many young people do you know in their 20’s and 30’s who intend never to have children in order to “save the planet?” I know some in their 40’s past childbearing age who made that decision long ago.

   Good. We don’t want those people breeding.

   Parenthood can be life changing and is an opportunity for the average person to attain greatness. I’m watching in real time many idiots get a clue upon being faced with the responsibilities of parenthood.

   Oh wait – the first person I witnessed undergo that change was me. You wouldn’t have liked me much 35 years ago.

   Yes! There’s probably nothing better at red-pilling women than having children. And women, generally, are the (lefty feels) political problem. There’d never be another Democrat president if only men were voting.

   Or … if only parents voted. I remember reading once that in Ancient Greece you could not be a judge unless you were a parent. I also remember reading that every decision was made twice; once sober, once drunk. Don’t know if that’s true, but I mention it at every opportunity.

10. Coolidge
    Manny

    @Manny

    3:47 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 19, 2021

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    This all assumes that the only thing that doesn’t change is the character of the people. Not true.

    The fastest growing “religious” group in the US is Nones — no affiliation — virtual, if not actual, atheists. How many young people do you know in their 20’s and 30’s who intend never to have children in order to “save the planet?” I know some in their 40’s past childbearing age who made that decision long ago.

    Good. We don’t want those people breeding.

    Parenthood can be life changing and is an opportunity for the average person to attain greatness. I’m watching in real time many idiots get a clue upon being faced with the responsibilities of parenthood.

    Oh wait – the first person I witnessed undergo that change was me. You wouldn’t have liked me much 35 years ago.

    Yes! There’s probably nothing better at red-pilling women than having children. And women, generally, are the (lefty feels) political problem. There’d never be another Democrat president if only men were voting.

    Or … if only parents voted. I remember reading once that in Ancient Greece you could not be a judge unless you were a parent. I also remember reading that every decision was made twice; once sober, once drunk. Don’t know if that’s true, but I mention it at every opportunity.

    That would be great. I’ve advocated raising the voting age to 30, but I could go for parenthood instead. 

11. Member
    Western Chauvinist

    @WesternChauvinist

    

    4:01 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 19, 2021

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    This all assumes that the only thing that doesn’t change is the character of the people. Not true.

    The fastest growing “religious” group in the US is Nones — no affiliation — virtual, if not actual, atheists. How many young people do you know in their 20’s and 30’s who intend never to have children in order to “save the planet?” I know some in their 40’s past childbearing age who made that decision long ago.

    Good. We don’t want those people breeding.

    Parenthood can be life changing and is an opportunity for the average person to attain greatness. I’m watching in real time many idiots get a clue upon being faced with the responsibilities of parenthood.

    Oh wait – the first person I witnessed undergo that change was me. You wouldn’t have liked me much 35 years ago.

    Yes! There’s probably nothing better at red-pilling women than having children. And women, generally, are the (lefty feels) political problem. There’d never be another Democrat president if only men were voting.

    Or … if only parents voted. I remember reading once that in Ancient Greece you could not be a judge unless you were a parent. I also remember reading that every decision was made twice; once sober, once drunk. Don’t know if that’s true, but I mention it at every opportunity.

    That would be great. I’ve advocated raising the voting age to 30, but I could go for parenthood instead.

    I’ve said the same. People with kids have literal skin in the game.

12. Member
    Saint Augustine

    @SaintAugustine

    4:11 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 19, 2021

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    This all assumes that the only thing that doesn’t change is the character of the people. Not true.

    The fastest growing “religious” group in the US is Nones — no affiliation — virtual, if not actual, atheists. How many young people do you know in their 20’s and 30’s who intend never to have children in order to “save the planet?” I know some in their 40’s past childbearing age who made that decision long ago.

    Good. We don’t want those people breeding.

    Parenthood can be life changing and is an opportunity for the average person to attain greatness. I’m watching in real time many idiots get a clue upon being faced with the responsibilities of parenthood.

    Oh wait – the first person I witnessed undergo that change was me. You wouldn’t have liked me much 35 years ago.

    Yes! There’s probably nothing better at red-pilling women than having children. And women, generally, are the (lefty feels) political problem. There’d never be another Democrat president if only men were voting.

    I think we should genetically engineer people to place reason above logic.

    Are you sure it’s not logic above reason?

    Or logic and reason over emotion?

13. Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens

    @BryanGStephens

    

    4:17 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 19, 2021

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    This all assumes that the only thing that doesn’t change is the character of the people. Not true.

    The fastest growing “religious” group in the US is Nones — no affiliation — virtual, if not actual, atheists. How many young people do you know in their 20’s and 30’s who intend never to have children in order to “save the planet?” I know some in their 40’s past childbearing age who made that decision long ago.

    Good. We don’t want those people breeding.

    Parenthood can be life changing and is an opportunity for the average person to attain greatness. I’m watching in real time many idiots get a clue upon being faced with the responsibilities of parenthood.

    Oh wait – the first person I witnessed undergo that change was me. You wouldn’t have liked me much 35 years ago.

    Yes! There’s probably nothing better at red-pilling women than having children. And women, generally, are the (lefty feels) political problem. There’d never be another Democrat president if only men were voting.

    I think we should genetically engineer people to place reason above logic.

    Are you sure it’s not logic above reason?

    Or logic and reason over emotion?

    Emotion is as important as reason and logic. Indeed, all of Mankind’s wisdom shows that to be true. But, some people thinks they are God and can fix humanity with tinkering. 

14. Member
    Saint Augustine

    @SaintAugustine

    4:24 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 19, 2021

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    Emotion is as important as reason and logic. Indeed, all of Mankind’s wisdom shows that to be true. But, some people thinks they are God and can fix humanity with tinkering. 

    Lewis Pearson has a good essay on this in Science Fiction and the Abolition of Man. Nice critique of Vulcans.

15. Member
    Steven Seward

    @StevenSeward

    5:40 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 19, 2021

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    As to your comment about depressions, disease epidemics, world wars and lost fathers and it not changing the national psyche, you basically just described my parents’ childhoods. And are you seriously claiming that the citizens of Australia would not be suffering the way they are now had they not sacrificed so many in the World Wars?

    I wasn’t aware that Australia was suffering, especially because of the world Wars 75 years ago.   This is the first I’ve heard that Australians are psychologically damaged people.

     

16. Member
    Steven Seward

    @StevenSeward

    5:54 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 19, 2021

    Annefy (View Comment):

    And that the World Wars, with its men that never came home, and the women who never married, and the children who were never born, didn’t turn Britain into a country full of people with dependence-on-the-government issues?

    It is true that England went for big-welfare government shortly after World  War II but I don’t know  that it was because of the war.  Plenty of other countries were devastated by war and did not immediately turn socialist.  The British Empire had pretty much collapsed  at that time and maybe that had something to do with why they changed culturally, I don’t know.  The people that seemed to suffer the most, to me, are those that lived under communism.  Yet as soon as they are turned loose they nearly always go conservative politically, and away from socialism.

     

     

     

17. Member
    Zafar

    @Zafar

    9:28 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 19, 2021

    Steven Seward (View Comment):
    I wasn’t aware that Australia was suffering, especially because of the world Wars 75 years ago.   This is the first I’ve heard that Australians are psychologically damaged people.

    Mostly we aren’t suffering that much, but we’re utterly shattered if that would be helpful.

18. Member
    Steven Seward

    @StevenSeward

    9:32 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 19, 2021

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    I wasn’t aware that Australia was suffering, especially because of the world Wars 75 years ago. This is the first I’ve heard that Australians are psychologically damaged people.

    Mostly we aren’t suffering that much, but we’re utterly shattered if that would be helpful.

    We’re utterly shattered if that would be helpful? Sorry, but I have no  idea what you mean by that.

19. Member
    Henry Castaigne

    @HenryCastaigne

    1:19 AM EDT ⋅ Oct 20, 2021

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    This all assumes that the only thing that doesn’t change is the character of the people. Not true.

    The fastest growing “religious” group in the US is Nones — no affiliation — virtual, if not actual, atheists. How many young people do you know in their 20’s and 30’s who intend never to have children in order to “save the planet?” I know some in their 40’s past childbearing age who made that decision long ago.

    Good. We don’t want those people breeding.

    Parenthood can be life changing and is an opportunity for the average person to attain greatness. I’m watching in real time many idiots get a clue upon being faced with the responsibilities of parenthood.

    Oh wait – the first person I witnessed undergo that change was me. You wouldn’t have liked me much 35 years ago.

    Yes! There’s probably nothing better at red-pilling women than having children. And women, generally, are the (lefty feels) political problem. There’d never be another Democrat president if only men were voting.

    I think we should genetically engineer people to place reason above logic.

    Are you sure it’s not logic above reason?

    We should also genetically engineer people to be linguistically accurate. I will be the first to volunteer to all the experiments. 

20. Member
    Steven Seward

    @StevenSeward

    4:47 AM EDT ⋅ Oct 20, 2021

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    We should also genetically engineer people to be linguistically accurate. I will be the first to volunteer to all the experiments.

    We should also genetically engineer people to stop making suggestions to genetically engineer people.

21. Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens

    @BryanGStephens

    

    4:57 AM EDT ⋅ Oct 20, 2021

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    We should also genetically engineer people to be linguistically accurate. I will be the first to volunteer to all the experiments.

    We should also genetically engineer people to stop making suggestions to genetically engineer people.

    LOL

22. Member
    Henry Castaigne

    @HenryCastaigne

    8:16 AM EDT ⋅ Oct 20, 2021

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

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    We should also genetically engineer people to be linguistically accurate. I will be the first to volunteer to all the experiments.

    We should also genetically engineer people to stop making suggestions to genetically engineer people.

    Well once we can genetically everybody I won’t have to talk about it so much.

23. Coolidge
    navyjag

    @navyjag

    3:08 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 20, 2021

    Good post JG. I am an optimist like you. But understand the more pessimistic takes by TK, Flicker and Annefy.  So just decided to hunker down and focus on the local stuff. Will worry about 2022 elections next year.  Wife called to a San Fran grand jury investigating the absurd decisions  of the DA to pass on the shoplifters.  He is up for recall. Also volunteered for the school board recalls, three CRT types up to kick out and over 80,000 signature to flush them. Nancy P will come to their aid, no doubt. But if San Francisco can start kicking Commie ass, this downhill slide might get reversed. 

24. Member
    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot)

    @ArizonaPatriot

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    3:13 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 20, 2021

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    And that the World Wars, with its men that never came home, and the women who never married, and the children who were never born, didn’t turn Britain into a country full of people with dependence-on-the-government issues?

    It is true that England went for big-welfare government shortly after World War II but I don’t know that it was because of the war. Plenty of other countries were devastated by war and did not immediately turn socialist. The British Empire had pretty much collapsed at that time and maybe that had something to do with why they changed culturally, I don’t know. The people that seemed to suffer the most, to me, are those that lived under communism. Yet as soon as they are turned loose they nearly always go conservative politically, and away from socialism.

    It’s hard to pin a political change like Britain’s switch from Tory to Labor on any one thing.

    I think that there’s a pretty good argument that the victory of Attlee’s Labor party over Churchill’s Tories was an expression of dissatisfaction over pre-war Tory policy.  The Tories were in charge for quite a while before the war.  They formed a coalition government during the war, and by all accounts that I’ve read — including Churchill’s — Attlee served diligently in the coalition.  As I recall,  Attlee ended up as Deputy Prime Minister and Leader of the House of Commons in the coalition government.

    After the war was won in Europe, the electorate chose Labor.  I do think that this was a disaster for the British.