Pastoral Failure or Council of the Wicked?

 

John Paul II and FrancisPope Francis is no John Paul II. This past weekend, an image of Pope Francis with Nancy Pelosi called to mind a famous image of Pope John Paul II with a Nicaraguan priest and Daniel Ortega. Ernesto Cardenal was a Roman Catholic priest serving as the minister of culture in the Marxist government. He and the dictator in designer glasses, Daniel Ortega, expected a great visual as they welcomed the Pope on the tarmac. Nancy Pelosi expected the same from Pope Francis. History did not repeat itself, and this pope appears to be steadily undoing the work and teaching of his prominent predecessor.

Not only was Ernesto Cardenal wrapping up Marxism in priests’ robes, he was part of a small group of leftist clerics who were collaborating with Ortega in the Sandinista government’s suppression of the official Catholic leadership. Pope John Paul II invoked “dark ages,” referring to the anticlericalism of the Mexican Revolution and other leftist Latin American movements earlier in the 2oth century. In this context, John Paul confronted the errant priest and the priest’s real boss, the dictator in designer sunglasses.

When confronted with the subversion of sound Christian doctrine by socialists, appending “liberation” to “theology,” John Paul responded forcefully both in official writings and in his wise use of the media. He avoided giving the Sandinistas and their heretical pet priest a world media victory, instead generating an unmistakable photographic image of the Church rejecting liberation theology. Caring about a priest, or any other member of the body, who has persistently strayed and refuses correction, means more than another gentle conversation.

Indeed, Christ commanded separation from fellowship as a necessary corrective. Consider Christ’s command to his disciples, as expressed in the modern American Catholic translation hosted on the Vatican website:

15 “If your brother sins (against you), go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother.

16 If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that ‘every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.’

17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.

[official comment on verse 17]

The church: the second of the only two instances of this word in the gospels; see the note on ⇒ Matthew 16:18. Here it refers not to the entire church of Jesus, as in ⇒ Matthew 16:18, but to the local congregation. Treat him . . . a Gentile or a tax collector: just as the observant Jew avoided the company of Gentiles and tax collectors, so must the congregation of Christian disciples separate itself from the arrogantly sinful member who refuses to repent even when convicted of his sin by the whole church. Such a one is to be set outside the fellowship of the community. The harsh language about Gentile and tax collector probably reflects a stage of the Matthean church when it was principally composed of Jewish Christians. That time had long since passed, but the principle of exclusion for such a sinner remained. Paul makes a similar demand for excommunication in ⇒ 1 Cor 5:1-13.

Matthew 18: 15-17, New American Bible

So, as the cameras flashed and rolled, Ernesto Cardenal knelt before the Pope and sought to kiss his ring in a false display of obedience. John Paul understood exactly what was happening and what message would be conveyed if he accepted the gesture. Instead of extending his ring, he extended his finger and vigorously admonished Ernesto Cardenal in front of Ortega, the Nicaraguan people, and the world.

“You should regularize your situation,” the pope scolded. Later that year he suspended Cardenal from the priesthood along with his brother Fernando, who was then serving as minister of education.

Pope John Paul II rebukes Cardenal

Cardenal was never repentant of his Marxist perversion of Christianity, so remained out of clerical office until a comrade came to the papal throne.

Only late in life was Cardenal’s suspension lifted by Pope Francis: In February 2019, as Cardenal was in the hospital, the Vatican noted that he had accepted the punishment, refrained from pastoral activity and long ago abandoned the political arena.

The Vatican’s ambassador to Nicaragua visited him at the hospital and joined him in celebrating Mass, a moment that Cardenal’s personal assistant described as “very moving” and said made him “very happy.”

[ . . . ]

Cardenal continued to hold a dim view of John Paul for decades after their run-in, calling his canonization in 2014 a “monstrosity.”

He was more supportive of Francis and his calls to build a better world for those on the margins of society.

“I try to live with the message of the gospel,” Cardenal once said, “which is a political message, which is changing the world so that there is a better world after 100,000 years of inequality.”

Now consider Pope Francis granting a papal visit in the Vatican to Nancy Pelosi. Nancy Pelosi is in equally open defiance of church teachings and notoriously perverts religion to her death cult’s ends. Indeed, Archbishop of San Francisco Salvatore Cordileone called the falsely named Women’s Health Protection Act of 2021 “child sacrifice.” Nancy Pelosi was completely defiant, as she should be given the complete failure of Catholic clergy to do more than write a stiff letter occasionally.

When asked about Cordileone’s comments at her Thursday press briefing in the U.S. Capitol, Pelosi responded that “it’s none of our business how other people choose the size and timing of their families.”

“The archbishop of the city of that area, of San Francisco, and I had a disagreement about who should decide this [family size and timing]. I believe that God has given us a free will to honor our responsibilities,” she said in response to the question from Erik Rosales, Capitol Hill correspondent for EWTN News Nightly.

This is precisely the context in which Nancy Pelosi sought and was granted a personal papal audience by Francis. She is openly in defiance of church teaching and authority. She has been so for decades, so she is an “arrogantly sinful member who refuses to repent even when convicted of [her] sin by the whole church.” Indeed, she has already been admonished on her duty to use her legislative office to advance just protection of life at every stage of development. That admonition was the message out of her private audience with Pope Benedict.

Her defiant response: she knows more about having babies than the Pope.

How did Pope Francis respond to the wayward sinner and what visual message did he carefully choose to convey to the Catholic church and the world? See for yourself:

Pelosi Pope Francis

Notice the body language. The pope is relaxed, smiling favorably on Pelosi. Look in the background between them. This event is being captured on video and still camera. Compare the video reporting on her meeting with Pope Benedict to this friendly audience with Pope Francis:

A parishioner seeing this would be excused for thinking that Speaker Pelosi is a faithful Catholic and favored by the Pope. Whatever the Archbishop of San Francisco wrote must be wrong, or not applicable to Speaker Pelosi in either her political office or her standing in the Catholic Church. How can any Catholic clergy condemn her after this clear public blessing by the Pope?

Jorge Mario Bergoglio is no cloistered innocent, naive to the ways of the world. He knows what he is doing with his papal office. He understands the importance of symbols and public rituals. Like this:

Not only did Pope Francis choose to accept into his hands a Marxifix, a Marxist twisting of the crucifix, he allowed the Marxist leader of Bolivia, Evo Morales, to place a necklace around his neck with the same twisted symbol. He did not raise his hands in admonition, nor did he take off the necklace immediately as he handed back the larger wooden and metal Marxist mockery.

Pope Francis, in the context of the 2016 U.S. presidential election, chose to praise Italy’s most notorious advocate of abortion, Emma Bonito, for her open borders, mass migration advocacy. In 2016, Francis attacked Donald Trump and his voters, although not by name, for wanting to stop illegal immigration. He praised Emma Bonito for her African mass migration advocacy.

He likens the Old Continent to Abraham’s wife Sarah. Sarah is barren and when she is now over seventy years old, according to the customs of those remote times she gives her slave wife to her husband to give birth to a son for her. But then, miraculously, he manages to have one to ninety years. “Europe”, Francis likes to repeat, “is like Sara, who first gets scared but then smiles secretly”. His hope, reports those who spoke to him, is that Europe will “secretly smile” at immigrants.

[ . . . ]

As for Bonino, to interlocutors who squint their eyes hearing the quote of the radical exponent, he claims that “she is the person who knows Africa best. And it offered the best service to Italy to get to know Africa. They tell me: they are people who think very differently from us. True, but patience. You have to look at people, at what they do.”

Of course, Bergoglio means a very selective, dare I say left-eye dominant look at what people do. He was happy to publicly praise and then, on Election Day 2016, give a private audience to Emma Bonito, Italy’s high priestess of the death cult, because she advocated mass migration from Africa, replacing the children never born, thanks in important part to Emma Bonito in Italy.

Pope Francis had an audience with former Italian foreign minister Emma Bonino on Tuesday for talks about asylum seekers and the integration of migrants, the Vatican said.

Bonino, 68, is a former leader of the Radical Party and was involved in domestic campaigns for divorce and abortion in the 1970s. She was the European commissioner for health and consumer affairs from 1995 to 1999 and foreign minister during the centre-left government of Enrico Letta in 2013 and 2014.

Where John Paul II spoke with great force and clarity, speaking truth to political power, in his visits to his native Poland, Francis was silent on Ireland’s vote to legalize abortion on demand. Then he was AWOL in his home country, Argentina doing the same in 2020. Pope John Paul II saved Poland from communism. All the first Latin American pope could muster was a Hallmark Card tweet, only hours before the Argentine Senate was to begin debate:

The Son of God was born discarded to tell us that every discarded person is a child of God. He came into the world as a child comes into the world, weak and fragile, so that we may welcome our frailty with tenderness.

This pope did not believe this strongly enough to have gone to his home country between 2018, when the legislation was first introduced, and December 2020 when the left-wing ruling bloc passed a bill to legalize abortion, signed into law by a leftist president.

The initiative was spearheaded by President Alberto Fernandez and his left-leaning ruling bloc. However, not all lawmakers in his camp were in favor of the changes.

Pope Francis chips in
The debate was heavily influenced by the country’s powerful Catholic Church, which formed an alliance with the evangelicals in a bid to bury the bill. Some 62% of Argentinians identify themselves as Catholic, while over 15% declare themselves as evangelicals.

Pope Francis, who is Argentinian, mostly stayed silent on the debate until Tuesday evening.

Where Pope John Paul II issued an encyclical condemning Marxism, Pope Francis wrapped lab coat leftism in liturgical garb with Laudato Si’. Peter Robinson reported the devastating response of Fr. Schall to “Laudato Si.” Where John Paul issued an encyclical, Centesium Annus, defending private property rights and the dignity of work, Francis used his latest encyclical, Fratelli tutti, to denigrate private property, for the purpose of promoting socialism by another name.

For my part, I would observe that “the Christian tradition has never recognized the right to private property as absolute or inviolable, and has stressed the social purpose of all forms of private property”. The principle of the common use of created goods is the “first principle of the whole ethical and social order”; it is a natural and inherent right that takes priority over others. All other rights having to do with the goods necessary for the integral fulfilment of persons, including that of private property or any other type of property, should – in the words of Saint Paul VI – “in no way hinder [this right], but should actively facilitate its implementation”.[98] The right to private property can only be considered a secondary natural right, derived from the principle of the universal destination of created goods. This has concrete consequences that ought to be reflected in the workings of society. Yet it often happens that secondary rights displace primary and overriding rights, in practice making them irrelevant.

Rights without borders

121. No one, then, can remain excluded because of his or her place of birth, much less because of privileges enjoyed by others who were born in lands of greater opportunity. The limits and borders of individual states cannot stand in the way of this. As it is unacceptable that some have fewer rights by virtue of being women, it is likewise unacceptable that the mere place of one’s birth or residence should result in his or her possessing fewer opportunities for a developed and dignified life.

122. Development must not aim at the amassing of wealth by a few, but must ensure “human rights – personal and social, economic and political, including the rights of nations and of peoples”. The right of some to free enterprise or market freedom cannot supersede the rights of peoples and the dignity of the poor, or, for that matter, respect for the natural environment, for “if we make something our own, it is only to administer it for the good of all”.

123. Business activity is essentially “a noble vocation, directed to producing wealth and improving our world”. God encourages us to develop the talents he gave us, and he has made our universe one of immense potential. In God’s plan, each individual is called to promote his or her own development, and this includes finding the best economic and technological means of multiplying goods and increasing wealth. Business abilities, which are a gift from God, should always be clearly directed to the development of others and to eliminating poverty, especially through the creation of diversified work opportunities. The right to private property is always accompanied by the primary and prior principle of the subordination of all private property to the universal destination of the earth’s goods, and thus the right of all to their use.

The rights of peoples

124. Nowadays, a firm belief in the common destination of the earth’s goods requires that this principle also be applied to nations, their territories and their resources. Seen from the standpoint not only of the legitimacy of private property and the rights of its citizens, but also of the first principle of the common destination of goods, we can then say that each country also belongs to the foreigner, inasmuch as a territory’s goods must not be denied to a needy person coming from elsewhere. As the Bishops of the United States have taught, there are fundamental rights that “precede any society because they flow from the dignity granted to each person as created by God”.

Just as there is a collective responsibility for avoiding war, so too there is a collective responsibility for promoting development. Just as within individual societies it is possible and right to organize a solid economy which will direct the functioning of the market to the common good, so too there is a similar need for adequate interventions on the international level. For this to happen, a great effort must be made to enhance mutual understanding and knowledge, and to increase the sensitivity of consciences. This is the culture which is hoped for, one which fosters trust in the human potential of the poor, and consequently in their ability to improve their condition through work or to make a positive contribution to economic prosperity. But to accomplish this, the poor — be they individuals or nations — need to be provided with realistic opportunities. Creating such conditions calls for a concerted worldwide effort to promote development, an effort which also involves sacrificing the positions of income and of power enjoyed by the more developed economies.

This may mean making important changes in established life-styles, in order to limit the waste of environmental and human resources, thus enabling every individual and all the peoples of the earth to have a sufficient share of those resources. In addition, the new material and spiritual resources must be utilized which are the result of the work and culture of peoples who today are on the margins of the international community, so as to obtain an overall human enrichment of the family of nations.

[emphasis added]

Hence the question in the title. Was the private audience between Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Pope Francis a pastoral failure or council of the wicked? Or is that too harsh, a bit uncharitable?

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  1. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Clifford A. Brown: Was the private audience between Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Pope Francis a pastoral failure or council of the wicked?

    It was both, actually.

    The meeting was a slap in the face to Archbishop Cordileone, Archbishop Naumann, Bishop Strickland, Bishop Paprocki, and all the other bishops who call out Catholic politicians for their support of abortion.

    In technical terms, this is scandal (from the Catechism of the Catholic Church):

    II. RESPECT FOR THE DIGNITY OF PERSONS

    Respect for the souls of others: scandal

    2284 Scandal is an attitude or behavior which leads another to do evil. The person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor’s tempter. He damages virtue and integrity; he may even draw his brother into spiritual death. Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense.

    2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized. It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.”86 Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others. Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep’s clothing.87

    2286 Scandal can be provoked by laws or institutions, by fashion or opinion.

    Therefore, they are guilty of scandal who establish laws or social structures leading to the decline of morals and the corruption of religious practice, or to “social conditions that, intentionally or not, make Christian conduct and obedience to the Commandments difficult and practically impossible.”88 This is also true of business leaders who make rules encouraging fraud, teachers who provoke their children to anger,89 or manipulators of public opinion who turn it away from moral values.

    2287 Anyone who uses the power at his disposal in such a way that it leads others to do wrong becomes guilty of scandal and responsible for the evil that he has directly or indirectly encouraged. “Temptations to sin are sure to come; but woe to him by whom they come!”90

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  2. BDB Coolidge
    BDB
    @BDB

    Dang!   From the outside looking in — YES

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  3. Kozak Member
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    @Kozak

    I consider “Pope” Francis as an Anti Pope.

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  4. Vance Richards Member
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    His silence can be taken as approval of her position. If the Pope actually believes his church’s teaching, shouldn’t he show more concern for Pelosi’s soul?

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  5. Jimmy Carter Member
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    Clifford A. Brown: Francis used his latest encyclical, Fratelli tutti, to denigrate private property, for the purpose of promoting socialism by another name.

    The Vatican is worth about, what, 15 billion in cash, stocks, and real estate?

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  6. Clifford A. Brown Contributor
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    @CliffordBrown

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown: Francis used his latest encyclical, Fratelli tutti, to denigrate private property, for the purpose of promoting socialism by another name.

    The Vatican is worth about, what, 15 billion in cash, stocks, and real estate?

    Perhaps, but billionaires make the best leftists.

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  7. Clifford A. Brown Contributor
    Clifford A. Brown
    @CliffordBrown

    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    His silence can be taken as approval of her position. If the Pope actually believes his church’s teaching, shouldn’t he show more concern for Pelosi’s soul?

    I think so, after all, that was the approach of his immediate predecessor with her the last time she was Speaker, l believe.

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  8. Jimmy Carter Member
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    @JimmyCarter

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown: Francis used his latest encyclical, Fratelli tutti, to denigrate private property, for the purpose of promoting socialism by another name.

    The Vatican is worth about, what, 15 billion in cash, stocks, and real estate?

    Perhaps, but billionaires make the best leftists.

    That’s why I don’t want to be a billionaire. 

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  9. Clifford A. Brown Contributor
    Clifford A. Brown
    @CliffordBrown

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown: Was the private audience between Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Pope Francis a pastoral failure or council of the wicked?

    It was both, actually.

    The meeting was a slap in the face to Archbishop Cordileone, Archbishop Naumann, Bishop Strickland, Bishop Paprocki, and all the other bishops who call out Catholic politicians for their support of abortion.

    In technical terms, this is scandal (from the Catechism of the Catholic Church):

    II. RESPECT FOR THE DIGNITY OF PERSONS

    Respect for the souls of others: scandal

    2284 Scandal is an attitude or behavior which leads another to do evil. The person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor’s tempter. He damages virtue and integrity; he may even draw his brother into spiritual death. Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense.

    2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized. It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.”86 Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others. Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep’s clothing.87

    2286 Scandal can be provoked by laws or institutions, by fashion or opinion.

    Therefore, they are guilty of scandal who establish laws or social structures leading to the decline of morals and the corruption of religious practice, or to “social conditions that, intentionally or not, make Christian conduct and obedience to the Commandments difficult and practically impossible.”88 This is also true of business leaders who make rules encouraging fraud, teachers who provoke their children to anger,89 or manipulators of public opinion who turn it away from moral values.

    2287 Anyone who uses the power at his disposal in such a way that it leads others to do wrong becomes guilty of scandal and responsible for the evil that he has directly or indirectly encouraged. “Temptations to sin are sure to come; but woe to him by whom they come!”90

    While I feel comfortable quoting encyclicals and interviews, I yield to Catholics on matters of church doctrine and canon law.

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  10. StChristopher Member
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    I never thought I’d live in a time of a bad pope.  Reading about the corrupt popes in the Middle Ages I would feel sorry for the faithful in that time, but the pope then was removed from their daily lives.  Now, I am astounded to be living in the age of Francis.  I gave him the benefit of the doubt at the beginning of his papacy, but I look forward to its end.  Catholicism is not based on the goodness or wisdom of the pope.  Even Peter failed at times.  Catholicism is based on the truth that God sent his only son, Jesus Christ, as savior of the world.

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  11. Doug Watt Moderator
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    Pope John Paul II had lived under the oppression of the two branches of socialism, Fascism and Communism. Pope Benedict had lived under Fascism, and then later the tyranny of the Academy as a professor, and the Red Brigade terrorists in Germany. They understood that there would be no real peace between the Statists and the Church.

    Pope Francis took the road of trying to appease either the Leftists, or the Peronists in Argentina as they took turns ruling Argentina. In some ways Pope Francis is like a parish priest that cannot bring himself to mention sin in fear that the pews will empty. He doesn’t understand that the pews will empty because he cannot offer any more than Howard Stern, or Oprah offers his parishioners. Pope Francis is not alone there are many non-Catholic clerics that offer nothing more than Stern, or Oprah.

     

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  12. The Reticulator Member
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    Three years ago, on a wet morning just before leaving Płock, Poland, Mrs R and I went out for a walk near our hotel. We stayed at a nice hotel, near the old market square where there are restaurants, shops, and lively crowds, but as in most of these medium-sized cities there are buildings that still haven’t been renovated after the ravages of communism. I hadn’t even noticed until we got there, but on the right of this street, just a block or so from our hotel up ahead, is an old prison.  You can see the concertina wire on top of the wall.

    On a corner of the wall was this plaque.  There was another informational display sign nearby that included an explanation in English, but you can probably make out the name John Paul II (Jan Paweł II) here.  This prison had held political prisoners during the Soviet days. On June 4 7, 1991, Pope John Paul had met with prison’s political prisoners in the courtyard.

    As far as I know, Pope John Paul II didn’t refuse to meet with the thugs who ruled this and other countries, but he didn’t neglect to offer comfort and hope to the prisoners.   And the internet also tells me that he delivered an angry sermon on abortion that day.

    If the current pope wanted to live up to the example of this predecessor, he could not only have visited with Pelosi, but he could have met with the political prisoners and detainees who are being held by her without trial.

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  13. Front Seat Cat Member
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    I think Pelosi on her recent trip had to be rushed out of St. Patricks in Italy, due to the thousands protesting the Green Pass!

    Scroll down to the second picture – that’s a lot of people. Of course they are blaming it on radical right wingers, but that can’t be the case for all:

    https://www.npr.org/2021/10/12/1045181390/pelosi-italy-trip-disrupted-by-green-pass-covid-protests

    They’re having the same problems – get the shot or lose employment – carry a pass that shows your vaccine status – many are saying no. That is including 3 Swiss Guard, faithful for years, but said no, and one said why he left:

    https://insidethevatican.com/news/newsflash/letter-133-2021-tues-oct-12-swiss-guard/

    This is all just this week!

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  14. Sisyphus Member
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    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown: Francis used his latest encyclical, Fratelli tutti, to denigrate private property, for the purpose of promoting socialism by another name.

    The Vatican is worth about, what, 15 billion in cash, stocks, and real estate?

    Perhaps, but billionaires make the best leftists.

    That’s why I don’t want to be a billionaire.

    Stay strong.

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  15. dukenaltum Coolidge
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    I am Roman Catholic and find unrepented octogenarians espousing wicked beliefs from their malformed, malignant, and ignorant youth to be the most pitiful of people.  The gates of eternity are their next exit, where their Judge awaits them, and they continue to pretend they have thirty years ahead of them.    

    Pelosi and Pope Francis are objectively wicked, corrupt, and callous monsters. I pray for their repentance and the failure of all they desire while understanding they are a chastisement for my lack of faith and other failings.  

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  16. MarciN Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    I consider “Pope” Francis as an Anti Pope.

    I have never heard that term before. But from this description, it is perfect. :-) 

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  17. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown: Francis used his latest encyclical, Fratelli tutti, to denigrate private property, for the purpose of promoting socialism by another name.

    The Vatican is worth about, what, 15 billion in cash, stocks, and real estate?

    Perhaps, but billionaires make the best leftists.

    Especially Big Tech billionaires, who are rapidly bringing humanity to its knees with transhumanism and AI:

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  18. Sisyphus Member
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown: Francis used his latest encyclical, Fratelli tutti, to denigrate private property, for the purpose of promoting socialism by another name.

    The Vatican is worth about, what, 15 billion in cash, stocks, and real estate?

    Perhaps, but billionaires make the best leftists.

    Especially Big Tech billionaires, who are rapidly bringing humanity to its knees with transhumanism and AI:

    Vatican Chairman, Humanity 2.0. Lord have mercy.

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  19. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Someone should remind Pope Francis that saving the planet from 1 or 2 degrees C of average global temperature increase isn’t worth one soul being lost to heaven — even if it is Nancy Pelosi’s. 

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  20. Rodin Member
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    Clifford A. Brown: A parishioner seeing this would be excused for thinking that Speaker Pelosi is a faithful Catholic and favored by the Pope.

    Not just a parishioner. This appears to be the current Vatican occupant’s point of view.

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  21. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Pelosi’s Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone. I am very disappointed in his response. He sounds like a politician, not a pastor of souls. This is why Pelosi, Biden, Kerry, Durbin, Kaine, etc., etc. never worry about consequences for their actions.

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  22. Flicker Coolidge
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown: Francis used his latest encyclical, Fratelli tutti, to denigrate private property, for the purpose of promoting socialism by another name.

    The Vatican is worth about, what, 15 billion in cash, stocks, and real estate?

    Perhaps, but billionaires make the best leftists.

    Especially Big Tech billionaires, who are rapidly bringing humanity to its knees with transhumanism and AI:

    Is Father Philip Larrey really and example of “Humanity 2.0”?  And what happened to the original Father Larrey?

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  23. Clifford A. Brown Contributor
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    Flicker (View Comment):
    Is Father Philip Larrey really and example of “Humanity 2.0”?  And what happened to the original Father Larrey?

    That poster is likely fake but true. Fr. Philip Larrey turns up on the faculty of Acton, with the same claimed affiliations.

    Philip Larrey is a priest for the Diocese of Rome and Chair of Logic and Epistemology at the Pontifical Lateran University. He also serves as Chairman for the Humanity 2.0 Foundation. For many years he has been following the epistemological debate surrounding artificial intelligence from a philosophical point of view.

    However, the conference was in 2019.

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  24. BDB Coolidge
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown: Francis used his latest encyclical, Fratelli tutti, to denigrate private property, for the purpose of promoting socialism by another name.

    The Vatican is worth about, what, 15 billion in cash, stocks, and real estate?

    Perhaps, but billionaires make the best leftists.

    That’s why I don’t want to be a billionaire.

    Stay strong.

    I’m working on my second billion.

    The first one didn’t work out.

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  25. Rodin Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    I’m working on my second billion.

    The first one didn’t work out.

    Now, that’s a keeper. 

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  26. BDB Coolidge
    BDB
    @BDB

    Rodin (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    I’m working on my second billion.

    The first one didn’t work out.

    Now, that’s a keeper.

    I’ll say.  Got it from a car salesman.  Of course, back then, it was mere millions.  

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  27. Front Seat Cat Member
    Front Seat Cat
    @FrontSeatCat

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown: Francis used his latest encyclical, Fratelli tutti, to denigrate private property, for the purpose of promoting socialism by another name.

    The Vatican is worth about, what, 15 billion in cash, stocks, and real estate?

    Perhaps, but billionaires make the best leftists.

    Especially Big Tech billionaires, who are rapidly bringing humanity to its knees with transhumanism and AI:

    Wow!!! YIKES!

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  28. Front Seat Cat Member
    Front Seat Cat
    @FrontSeatCat

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown: Francis used his latest encyclical, Fratelli tutti, to denigrate private property, for the purpose of promoting socialism by another name.

    The Vatican is worth about, what, 15 billion in cash, stocks, and real estate?

    Perhaps, but billionaires make the best leftists.

    Especially Big Tech billionaires, who are rapidly bringing humanity to its knees with transhumanism and AI:

    I think this is a fake ad – I’m not seeing any info on it. Can you verify from a legit site ?

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  29. Sisyphus Member
    Sisyphus
    @Sisyphus

    This is an interesting link regarding the Vatican and Humanity 2.0. https://www.philiplarrey.com/

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  30. Clifford A. Brown Contributor
    Clifford A. Brown
    @CliffordBrown

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown: Francis used his latest encyclical, Fratelli tutti, to denigrate private property, for the purpose of promoting socialism by another name.

    The Vatican is worth about, what, 15 billion in cash, stocks, and real estate?

    Perhaps, but billionaires make the best leftists.

    Especially Big Tech billionaires, who are rapidly bringing humanity to its knees with transhumanism and AI:

    I think this is a fake ad – I’m not seeing any info on it. Can you verify from a legit site ?

    Fake but true. See comment #23 above. The event happened in 2019.

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