Christian Doctrine: I Did Not Make It, It Is Making Me

 

“Do you see my bookshelves over there?” All heads would turn toward the thousands of books surrounding them in my classroom. “Do you think that’s real wood?” I would offer. “It feels like vinyl,” one would say, hands close enough to touch. “But it looks like real wood!” another would say.

I would then show them the back edge of an extra shelf; exposed particle board greeted their gaze. “Now the advertisement says,” I continued, “I can pick from cherry or walnut grains. But in all honesty, I’m simply buying a thin veneer of plastic, covering pressed wood.” My bookshelf illustration was about to bring home the truth. “This is exactly what false teaching is like,” I concluded, “It looks right, at first glance, but upon further inspection, it is shown to be wrong. Heresy depends on attracting our attention, then leading us astray.”

The word “heresy” comes from the Greek word meaning “to choose.” Any move toward heresy, toward falsehood, is choosing to step away from biblical teaching. As Paul says in 1 Timothy 4:16, “Watch your life and doctrine closely.” And there is the issue. What we believe, creates how we live. I think the Christian singer Rich Mullins said it best:

And I believe what I believe, is what makes me what I am / I did not make it, no it is making me / It is the very truth of God and not the invention of any man.

God’s truth is no veneer, no human invention. Yes, my bookshelves are still fake wood. But Christian Truth, the teaching of Scripture, makes us who we are, helping us keep a close watch on our life and doctrine. We embody God’s Truth for all to see.

For Truth in Two, this is Dr. Mark Eckel, president of the Comenius Institute, personally allowing God’s Truth to make me what I am.

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  1. Manny Coolidge
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    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

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    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    Doctrine is vital to the maturity of a Christian . However, it can be a stumbling stone also. Our human nature always wants to drift toward works salvation . Correct doctrine can be used in this manner.

    Faith is simple. The thief on the cross is a the best example. He just believed.

    I hear that example all the time but I think it’s flawed. The thief is pinned to a cross and can do nothing in his dying moments. If he were allowed to go free he would be then free to potentially sin, and subsequently choose to not be obedient and not feed the hungry, not clothe the naked, etc (Matt 25:31-46). The thief’s situation on the cross dictates the moral choices that come before him.

    So, if it is flawed the thief is rotting in hell and Christ lied. I know you don’t believe that , just addressing your flawed statement.

    Where did I say that?  The thief had the good fortune to not be able to sin after his repentance.  That’s all I’m saying.  If he had, he probably would have.  

    As for going his merry way and sinning. Well , welcome to the humane predicament , this is what we all do as well as being obedient.

    The example stands. That’s why it was included in the text.

    And no, I don’t stand on simple believe ism . But we have the example. God looks into the heart and he is the judge. This is why I made the comment about all of us being surprised in eternity.

    Except for the example, I don’t disagree with any of that.  I am pretty sure if I make it to heaven I will be surprised on who will be there.

     

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  2. Manny Coolidge
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    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    Lawst N. Thawt (View Comment):

    The OP speaks of truth based on scripture. Scripture is the measuring line. You can use it to measure everything else, but all those other things need to fit all of the applicable scripture. If it fits one place, but not another, it doesn’t fit. Some will not believe this next statement, but there are no contradictions in scripture; only misunderstanding or mystery. It’s easy to read things that are not there.

     

    Agreed. This is why it is a terrible idea to build doctrine on a single text. This leads to heresy.

    I would like to clarify my view of the thief on the cross. It is thin gruel to base ones salvation on easy believe ism. However, the thief is a good example that saving faith does not have to be accompanied with all sorts of correct doctrine . He simply believed who Jesus said he was and asked for mercy, and it was granted. Simple faith.

    Agree, though what maybe be apparent contradictions can usually be squared together by understanding the context and the traditions as they developed in the early centuries.  But that’s a lot of learning for people without theological interests.  “Simple faith” is the best answer!

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  3. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

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    Flicker (View Comment):
    Furthermore, I’ve always been curious about those who lived without the knowledge of even the name of Christ, but whom God says will be judged according to their consciences and naturally doing what is right.

    I’ve cut out this snippet to address this single issue. I appreciated the rest of your comment.

    I think that it’s quite clear that, in Christian teaching, those who rely on their own righteousness fall short, and are condemned. The later part of Hebrews addresses those who died before the coming of Christ, and it does indicate that there was some sort of forward-looking faith that God finds sufficient. This is mostly from Hebrews 11, the “hall of faith” chapter, but it includes some of the preceding and subsequent material.

    Jerry, I appreciate what you said. And I’ve been thinking about it, and I don’t want to give the impression that God definitely acts on one way or another.

    Nonetheless, a few Scripture verses come to mind.

    There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.
    and
    And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

    It becomes a question of conscience. If the Holy Spirit leads you, or encourages you, or works in you to seek Him, and there is no one around to help you understand, how might God react.

    Well, perhaps God declares Himself and can be comprehended on some other wordless level:
    For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities – his eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

    No one at all seeks God unless God draws him. I don’t know who is called, or how God draws him, or what condition of the heart God works in a man’s heart. And I cannot say that God only accepts only certain words or a minimum of concrete knowledge in every circumstance and situation.

    Certainly no one is saved except for the blood of Christ, but how that blood is applied, and on whom, in any and all circumstances is I think God’s place to determine.

    Flicker, I certainly can’t disagree with the last part of your final sentence.  God is the judge, not us.

    We do have a practical challenge, as I think that we do need to distinguish between believers and unbelievers, as best we can.  Believers are our brothers and sisters in the family of God.  Unbelievers are our mission field.  If we erroneously identify unbelievers as believers, we may fail to spread the Gospel to them.  It’s difficult.

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  4. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    I do want to offer a general follow-up to the question of the fate of unbelievers who, as far as we can tell, were never given the opportunity to choose to put their faith in Jesus.  This would apply to everyone who lived before the (first) earthly ministry of Jesus, and those who never heard the Gospel through no apparent fault of their own.

    My impression is that this issue is often raised as an evasion.  In my experience, it is typically raised by someone who has been told about Jesus, as a reason to reject the message.  Such a person finds it unjust that, for example, some tribesman in New Guinea or elsewhere would be condemned by God, though the Gospel had never reached their island.  Of course, the person making the objection is not in the situation of the person who has never heard.

    As a believer, I am not much concerned about the fate of people who never heard the Gospel, which is in the hands of the Lord.  It is a reason to engage in, and support, missionary and evangelical work, but it doesn’t cause me spiritual angst.

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  5. Flicker Coolidge
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    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    Doctrine is vital to the maturity of a Christian . However, it can be a stumbling stone also. Our human nature always wants to drift toward works salvation . Correct doctrine can be used in this manner.

    Faith is simple. The thief on the cross is a the best example. He just believed.

    Even a child can understand.

    1 Jesus loves me, this I know,
    for the Bible tells me so.
    Little ones to him belong;
    they are weak, but he is strong.

    Refrain:
    Yes, Jesus loves me! Yes, Jesus loves me!
    Yes, Jesus loves me! The Bible tells me so.

    2 Jesus loves me he who died
    heaven’s gate to open wide.
    He will wash away my sin,
    let his little child come in. [Refrain]

    3 Jesus loves me, this I know,
    as he loved so long ago,
    taking children on his knee,
    saying, “Let them come to me.” [Refrain]

    If the Lord leaves remembrance of those who wont be in His Kingdom. I believe we all will be surprised at who is there and who is not.

    I believe we will remember otherwise God would have created us in heaven, created us just as saved and pure as we on earth as we one day will be.  And more importantly, remembrance is part of how we appreciate and celebrate Jesus’s self-sacrifice.  And God wants everyone to remember generally, and makes conditions and customs suitable for remembering.  Also, presumably at or after the first resurrection, we will have our works evaluated, including everything that is done in the dark or in secret.  If we don’t remember, how will this be done?

    But to your point, yes, I once heard someone say that we will be surprised at who we see glorified in heaven and I thought. Yes!  And then the person went on to explain that there are lots of people like old ladies who pray every day and change the world.  And I was let down because these are the people that you would expect to see in heaven.  But I think there are people who look dirty and evil on the outside who we will be surprised to see in heaven.  “But, but, but he never came to church, never said a word about Jesus, and he was a miser!  And he always had a frown!”

    We don’t know what we don’t know about individual human hearts.

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  6. Flicker Coolidge
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I’ve cut out this snippet to address this single issue. I appreciated the rest of your comment.

    I think that it’s quite clear that, in Christian teaching, those who rely on their own righteousness fall short, and are condemned. The later part of Hebrews addresses those who died before the coming of Christ, and it does indicate that there was some sort of forward-looking faith that God finds sufficient. This is mostly from Hebrews 11, the “hall of faith” chapter, but it includes some of the preceding and subsequent material.

    Jerry, I appreciate what you said. And I’ve been thinking about it, and I don’t want to give the impression that God definitely acts on one way or another.

    Nonetheless, a few Scripture verses come to mind.

    There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.
    and
    And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

    It becomes a question of conscience. If the Holy Spirit leads you, or encourages you, or works in you to seek Him, and there is no one around to help you understand, how might God react.

    Well, perhaps God declares Himself and can be comprehended on some other wordless level:
    For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities – his eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

    No one at all seeks God unless God draws him. I don’t know who is called, or how God draws him, or what condition of the heart God works in a man’s heart. And I cannot say that God only accepts only certain words or a minimum of concrete knowledge in every circumstance and situation.

    Certainly no one is saved except for the blood of Christ, but how that blood is applied, and on whom, in any and all circumstances is I think God’s place to determine.

    Flicker, I certainly can’t disagree with the last part of your final sentence. God is the judge, not us.

    We do have a practical challenge, as I think that we do need to distinguish between believers and unbelievers, as best we can. Believers are our brothers and sisters in the family of God. Unbelievers are our mission field. If we erroneously identify unbelievers as believers, we may fail to spread the Gospel to them. It’s difficult.

    It is difficult, and the church has been lead by very bad people at times, which shows that the body can grow among tares.

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    I always use the Nicene Creed in the past as the definition of Christianity too. It just is.

    Oh, I never do it in the past.

    My time machine broke.

    Yikes, my syntax was terrible there. I meant to say that in the past I have used the Nicene Creed as thee definition of Christianity.

    Thee? As in “to Thee?”

    Thee as emphatic form for “the.”

    I knew that.  I was just testing you.

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    Manny (View Comment):

    Does faltering obedience count for naught?

    I’m not exactly sure what you mean.  We all human and fail to live up to perfection.

    I am blanching at the thought that in everything I do really should be “obeying Christ and have faith is His divinity”.

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    Manny (View Comment):

    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    Doctrine is vital to the maturity of a Christian . However, it can be a stumbling stone also. Our human nature always wants to drift toward works salvation . Correct doctrine can be used in this manner.

    Faith is simple. The thief on the cross is a the best example. He just believed.

     

    I hear that example all the time but I think it’s flawed. The thief is pinned to a cross and can do nothing in his dying moments. If he were allowed to go free he would be then free to potentially sin, and subsequently choose to not be obedient and not feed the hungry, not clothe the naked, etc (Matt 25:31-46). The thief’s situation on the cross dictates the moral choices that come before him.

    I think one way of looking at it generally, is that when Jesus freed the woman caught in adultery, He specifically told her, Go and sin no more lest something worse happen to you.  We do have a responsibility to do better and love God and our neighbor more in thought, word, and deed.  And this includes growing in the truth.  But I really think that no one will do this perfectly.  But if we are truly saved, we will tend to want to embrace God and godly living daily, and God will work in us both to want to, and to be able to accomplish this.

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  10. Flicker Coolidge
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    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):

    Lawst N. Thawt (View Comment):

    The OP speaks of truth based on scripture. Scripture is the measuring line. You can use it to measure everything else, but all those other things need to fit all of the applicable scripture. If it fits one place, but not another, it doesn’t fit. Some will not believe this next statement, but there are no contradictions in scripture; only misunderstanding or mystery. It’s easy to read things that are not there.

     

    Agreed. This is why it is a terrible idea to build doctrine on a single text. This leads to heresy.

    I would like to clarify my view of the thief on the cross. It is thin gruel to base ones salvation on easy believe ism. However, the thief is a good example that saving faith does not have to be accompanied with all sorts of correct doctrine . He simply believed who Jesus said he was and asked for mercy, and it was granted. Simple faith.

    I’m not contradicting or even amplifying on what you wrote, just musing on the topic.  The saved thief, believed something.  He believed Jesus was a king, and he believed in life after death.  And he believed that Jesus would be living and be an active king even after He died.  Thinking about it, that’s a lot.

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  11. Lawst N. Thawt Inactive
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    Flicker (View Comment):

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    Lawst N. Thawt (View Comment):

    The OP speaks of truth based on scripture. Scripture is the measuring line. You can use it to measure everything else, but all those other things need to fit all of the applicable scripture. If it fits one place, but not another, it doesn’t fit. Some will not believe this next statement, but there are no contradictions in scripture; only misunderstanding or mystery. It’s easy to read things that are not there.

     

    Agreed. This is why it is a terrible idea to build doctrine on a single text. This leads to heresy.

    I would like to clarify my view of the thief on the cross. It is thin gruel to base ones salvation on easy believe ism. However, the thief is a good example that saving faith does not have to be accompanied with all sorts of correct doctrine . He simply believed who Jesus said he was and asked for mercy, and it was granted. Simple faith.

    I’m not contradicting or even amplifying on what you wrote, just musing on the topic. The saved thief, believed something. He believed Jesus was a king, and he believed in life after death. And he believed that Jesus would be living and be an active king even after He died. Thinking about it, that’s a lot.

    Something to ponder.  The disciples/followers (and later called Christians) were scattered around.  They were still disciples/followers, but the thief was the only believer that day.

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    Lawst N. Thawt (View Comment):

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    Lawst N. Thawt (View Comment):

    The OP speaks of truth based on scripture. Scripture is the measuring line. You can use it to measure everything else, but all those other things need to fit all of the applicable scripture. If it fits one place, but not another, it doesn’t fit. Some will not believe this next statement, but there are no contradictions in scripture; only misunderstanding or mystery. It’s easy to read things that are not there.

     

    Agreed. This is why it is a terrible idea to build doctrine on a single text. This leads to heresy.

    I would like to clarify my view of the thief on the cross. It is thin gruel to base ones salvation on easy believe ism. However, the thief is a good example that saving faith does not have to be accompanied with all sorts of correct doctrine . He simply believed who Jesus said he was and asked for mercy, and it was granted. Simple faith.

    I’m not contradicting or even amplifying on what you wrote, just musing on the topic. The saved thief, believed something. He believed Jesus was a king, and he believed in life after death. And he believed that Jesus would be living and be an active king even after He died. Thinking about it, that’s a lot.

    Something to ponder. The disciples/followers (and later called Christians) were scattered around. They were still disciples/followers, but the thief was the only believer that day.

    I hadn’t thought of that.  What you’re saying is he’s the only one who had it right.  That’s quite a dispensation of grace.

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  13. Manny Coolidge
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    Lawst N. Thawt (View Comment):

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    Lawst N. Thawt (View Comment):

    The OP speaks of truth based on scripture. Scripture is the measuring line. You can use it to measure everything else, but all those other things need to fit all of the applicable scripture. If it fits one place, but not another, it doesn’t fit. Some will not believe this next statement, but there are no contradictions in scripture; only misunderstanding or mystery. It’s easy to read things that are not there.

     

    Agreed. This is why it is a terrible idea to build doctrine on a single text. This leads to heresy.

    I would like to clarify my view of the thief on the cross. It is thin gruel to base ones salvation on easy believe ism. However, the thief is a good example that saving faith does not have to be accompanied with all sorts of correct doctrine . He simply believed who Jesus said he was and asked for mercy, and it was granted. Simple faith.

    I’m not contradicting or even amplifying on what you wrote, just musing on the topic. The saved thief, believed something. He believed Jesus was a king, and he believed in life after death. And he believed that Jesus would be living and be an active king even after He died. Thinking about it, that’s a lot.

    Something to ponder. The disciples/followers (and later called Christians) were scattered around. They were still disciples/followers, but the thief was the only believer that day.

    I hear you, but just to be accurate His blessed mother, John the Evangelist, Mary Magdalene, and a few other women were at the foot of the cross.  But yes, all the other disciples had scattered.

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