Follow Wisdom First — Then Science

 

Fellow Ricochet member @flicker recently shared a video on COVID-19 in one of our groups. I was so impressed by it, I had to post it here. It’s lengthy, but take the time. I say that because it involves your health, well-being, and our collective future. It was encouraging, if that word can ever coincide with this nasty pandemic. It features Dr. Robert Malone, a creator of the mRNA technology, a delivery system of medicine that has and will continue to revolutionize treating many diseases with a targeted approach.

The other person is someone called Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche. While his field is veterinary medicine, he is so full of wisdom in the study of this virus and contributes tremendous amounts of insight into its evolution and treatment options at this point, and what to expect going forward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=qP31cfD3YOY&fbclid=IwAR3CWlWTWCixauYFQOJEfKYdGrPq9jvXvkgWT4Mu8Z8QGOMBCQve4NbrtPA

If I may outline some of the highlights of the video, they are as follows:

  1. What we now know and don’t know, as opposed to January 2020, has a great impact on how we test, treat, protect, and go forward, including treatment options and protecting against the continuing variances that this virus continues to mutate. For example, ivermectin, a very effective treatment that greatly lowered the outbreak in India, is a desirable option. Yet some of these treatments are being banned, and even the discussion is being censored! Boosting the immune system and also treating with high doses of vitamin C, vitamin D in safe amounts and including sun exposure, zinc, and other supplements protects the individual from contracting COVID. They also talk about obesity (a big problem in the United States, especially in minority communities) as escalating your comorbidity risks.
  2. Mass vaccination is not the answer, say these scientists. They give their examples and how to achieve herd immunity. Mass vaccination, in fact, they say, is allowing the mutant strains to evade the vaccine and become even more contagious, although not as deadly. They give their reasons why the unvaccinated are in fact contributing to the herd immunity, and the eventual eradication of this virus. This is the opposite of what we are being told by the government, mass media, and Anthony Fauci, who the United States has put in place as the person who knows the protocol to follow. He has ties to Wuhan, to gain-of-function research as well as the World Health Organization. While that is not the focus of this post, is that not a conflict of interest?
  3. The doctors discuss past and present vaccine protocols and how these safety measures have not been followed in the same way other vaccines have been developed and then released for treatment on humans. They have been bypassed, and there is no way to measure side effects, either short, medium, or long term, so it is essentially a worldwide experiment. In fact, Dr. Malone states that the CDC is both pro-vaccine and pro-safety and is heavily funded to promote vaccinations. There is a conflict in that statement. Unless you have data collection on side effects and follow the science as well as all the stages of safety before releasing a vaccine, but instead fast-tracking it, that is a conflict. They cite that each country “is doing their own thing,” and there is no central collection of data to establish very important and potentially serious results from the virus and vaccine. These include changes in all organs, not just the lungs, including the reproductive system. This is HUGE! This could impact future generations.
  4. They highly discourage the inoculation of children for many reasons — they are still at low risk and side effects, including reproductive. They also give their reasons for why younger people are now contracting COVID.
  5. They strongly are against pitting the vaccinated and the unvaccinated into opposing camps and even using the word “anti-vaxxer.” Most people are not opposed to vaccines, and most have gotten quite a few in their lives. But there is a label with COVID-19 that is being promoted by governments to stigmatize, remove freedom of choice, and even go to lengths to pressure people in their livelihoods — get the jab or lose your job or your ability to travel, attend social events, or even go to a restaurant. This “Green Pass” that many countries are now implementing goes against everything we know is right. Even the Vatican has now implemented this requirement (but not for parishioners as of yet). The doctors realize this is pitting people against one another, and fines are threatening the survival of companies and small businesses across the world, lest they comply. Even the military has had to comply.

I found their conversation full of wisdom. Just discussing where we are and how to go forward is refreshing, instead of coercion, threats, and strife. Many have been censored just talking, giving their opinion. YouTube gives strikes like in a ballgame game, and after the third strike, you are banned. Facebook censors and removes content. Who gave them the authority to shut down any free exchange of ideas?

The doctors say there is more to come. This isn’t over yet, and they tell you what they see on the horizon. So far, their predictions have come true. One important topic that they discuss toward the end is FEAR. They are adamant about taking fear out of the equation. “Follow the science,” we are told, so these guys are offering science, but they are not following a narrative.

We cannot forget what our founders left us — unchanging documents for a time such as this. We cannot forget history or allow those who want to erase it to replace it with something unrecognizable, and those that survived pandemics and much more. Whether this virus is being used to introduce the “Great Reset,” if it originated as a possible bioweapon, those questions remain and will eventually be answered. But if you want to get on with life and demand that your freedoms are protected, please listen to the video while it remains accessible and prepare accordingly. We are in this together, and sharing all information, not just absorbing what talking heads spew, will give us strength to make the right decisions for ourselves and our families. The only way to discern is to follow King Solomon’s advice and pursue wisdom. We can’t do that until we have all the facts, and that includes different opinions and data.

At the end of the video, the doctors have also created a COVID Foundation 360 site, a course that you can click on to learn about COVID, part of McMillan Research, where doctors and scientists and the general public can share information. Wisdom!

https://mcmillanresearch.com/

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  1. Saint Augustine Member
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    Front Seat Cat:

    • The doctors discuss past and present vaccine protocols, and how these safety measures have not been followed in the same way other vaccines have been developed and then released for treatment on humans. They have been bypassed and there is no way to measure side effects, both short, medium and long term so it is essentially a world-wide experiment. They cite that each country “is doing their own thing” and there is no central collection of data to establish very important and potentially serious results from the virus and vaccine.  These include changes in all organs, not just the lungs, including the reproductive system. This is HUGE!  This could impact future generations.

    Let’s say (hypothetically) that I already have 7 kids, 170 students, and an informal commitment to try to figure out the election, and that I don’t have time to figure out all the vaccine stuff.  But let’s say (hypothetically) that I would like to take a look at their comments on this stuff.

    Any suggestion on where in the video I could jump in for this stuff?

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  2. Front Seat Cat Member
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Front Seat Cat:

    • The doctors discuss past and present vaccine protocols, and how these safety measures have not been followed in the same way other vaccines have been developed and then released for treatment on humans. They have been bypassed and there is no way to measure side effects, both short, medium and long term so it is essentially a world-wide experiment. They cite that each country “is doing their own thing” and there is no central collection of data to establish very important and potentially serious results from the virus and vaccine. These include changes in all organs, not just the lungs, including the reproductive system. This is HUGE! This could impact future generations.

    Let’s say (hypothetically) that I already have 7 kids, 170 students, and an informal commitment to try to figure out the election, and that I don’t have time to figure out all the vaccine stuff. But let’s say (hypothetically) that I would like to take a look at their comments on this stuff.

    Any suggestion on where in the video I could jump in for this stuff?

    The first half is very medical and scientific – the latter half has to do with what to expect going forward, to remain vigilant but not fearful, and to understand the full picture including what the vaccines offer, why they are waning, why boosters for all are not a good idea and to protect freedom – so mid-way – especially the last 35 minutes.

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  3. Front Seat Cat Member
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    At the end of the video, the host offers his research site that will include a sharing platform called COVID FOUNDATION 360, a training course on COVID, and a space where scientists and doctors and share information:

    https://mcmillanresearch.com/

     

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  4. kedavis Inactive
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    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    At the end of the video, the host offers his research site that will include a sharing platform called COVID FOUNDATION 360, a training course on COVID, and a space where scientists and doctors and share information:

    https://mcmillanresearch.com/

     

    At least until they get demonetized and deplatformed.

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  5. OmegaPaladin Moderator
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    One major problem here – if a virus can develop resistance to a vaccine, it can also develop resistance to the normal immune response.  The vaccine’s whole purpose is to stimulate the same immune response as the actual virus, without actually risking infection.  That’s what vaccines do.  People can get repeat infections with viruses, and viruses can overwhelm the immune system.

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  6. The Reticulator Member
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    I would like to commend you for posting a summary of the video along with your recommendation to watch it. I expect to disagree with the part about mass vaccinations causing mutant strains to evade the vaccine, but I’ll probably give it a listen. I would not have considered doing so if you had not posted that summary. 

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  7. Saint Augustine Member
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    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Front Seat Cat:

    • The doctors discuss past and present vaccine protocols, and how these safety measures have not been followed in the same way other vaccines have been developed and then released for treatment on humans. They have been bypassed and there is no way to measure side effects, both short, medium and long term so it is essentially a world-wide experiment. They cite that each country “is doing their own thing” and there is no central collection of data to establish very important and potentially serious results from the virus and vaccine. These include changes in all organs, not just the lungs, including the reproductive system. This is HUGE! This could impact future generations.

    Let’s say (hypothetically) that I already have 7 kids, 170 students, and an informal commitment to try to figure out the election, and that I don’t have time to figure out all the vaccine stuff. But let’s say (hypothetically) that I would like to take a look at their comments on this stuff.

    Any suggestion on where in the video I could jump in for this stuff?

    The first half is very medical and scientific – the latter half has to do with what to expect going forward, to remain vigilant but not fearful, and to understand the full picture including what the vaccines offer, why they are waning, why boosters for all are not a good idea and to protect freedom – so mid-way – especially the last 35 minutes.

    Thanks.

    I jumped in at about halfway and let it play till the end. From what I could understand, the critique of the “VAAAAAXEEEEEENNNNNZZ!!!” crowd was interesting, and probably correct on any number of points.

    But I wasn’t able to catch any details on safety measures not being followed, or about how vaccines might effect organs.

    I did hear, at about the halfway mark, one of them saying something about organs.  But I think he said that spike proteins can harm organs–not that the vaccines specifically do that.

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  8. Kelly B Member
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    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):

    One major problem here – if a virus can develop resistance to a vaccine, it can also develop resistance to the normal immune response. The vaccine’s whole purpose is to stimulate the same immune response as the actual virus, without actually risking infection. That’s what vaccines do. People can get repeat infections with viruses, and viruses can overwhelm the immune system.

    IANAD, but this topic has fascinated me and I’ve read a lot about it, so I’m hoping I can clarify here. 

    The COVID “vaccines” differ from what most of us think of as vaccines. Traditionally, a vaccine used a virus molecule that had been killed or rendered impotent to trigger the immune reaction – and the immune system response was the same as it would have been to the live virus – to the whole molecule. 

    The shots we’re getting now use messenger RNA to instruct your cells to produce ONLY the spike protein that COVID uses to interact with your cells – so that’s all that your vaccinated immune system knows about. 

    When the virus mutates in a way that changes the spike protein, it can evade your vaccinated immune system, where a post-infection immune system likely will recognize and react to other virus characteristics. There’s a lot of thinking out there that this is what we’re seeing with Delta, particularly around breakthrough infections. 

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  9. Front Seat Cat Member
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Front Seat Cat:

    • The doctors discuss past and present vaccine protocols, and how these safety measures have not been followed in the same way other vaccines have been developed and then released for treatment on humans. They have been bypassed and there is no way to measure side effects, both short, medium and long term so it is essentially a world-wide experiment. They cite that each country “is doing their own thing” and there is no central collection of data to establish very important and potentially serious results from the virus and vaccine. These include changes in all organs, not just the lungs, including the reproductive system. This is HUGE! This could impact future generations.

    Let’s say (hypothetically) that I already have 7 kids, 170 students, and an informal commitment to try to figure out the election, and that I don’t have time to figure out all the vaccine stuff. But let’s say (hypothetically) that I would like to take a look at their comments on this stuff.

    Any suggestion on where in the video I could jump in for this stuff?

    The first half is very medical and scientific – the latter half has to do with what to expect going forward, to remain vigilant but not fearful, and to understand the full picture including what the vaccines offer, why they are waning, why boosters for all are not a good idea and to protect freedom – so mid-way – especially the last 35 minutes.

    Thanks.

    I jumped in at about halfway and let it play till the end. From what I could understand, the critique of the “VAAAAAXEEEEEENNNNNZZ!!!” crowd was interesting, and probably correct on any number of points.

    But I wasn’t able to catch any details on safety measures not being followed, or about how vaccines might effect organs.

    I did hear, at about the halfway mark, one of them saying something about organs. But I think he said that spike proteins can harm organs that–not that the vaccines specifically do that.

    There was so much info, and much of it medical jargon, I really had to pay attention. They had graphs and examples but some of it is over my head, so I’m not sure I steered you right into where to jump in. 

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  10. Front Seat Cat Member
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    Kelly B (View Comment):

    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):

    One major problem here – if a virus can develop resistance to a vaccine, it can also develop resistance to the normal immune response. The vaccine’s whole purpose is to stimulate the same immune response as the actual virus, without actually risking infection. That’s what vaccines do. People can get repeat infections with viruses, and viruses can overwhelm the immune system.

    IANAD, but this topic has fascinated me and I’ve read a lot about it, so I’m hoping I can clarify here.

    The COVID “vaccines” differ from what most of us think of as vaccines. Traditionally, a vaccine used a virus molecule that had been killed or rendered impotent to trigger the immune reaction – and the immune system response was the same as it would have been to the live virus – to the whole molecule.

    The shots we’re getting now use messenger RNA to instruct your cells to produce ONLY the spike protein that COVID uses to interact with your cells – so that’s all that your vaccinated immune system knows about.

    When the virus mutates in a way that changes the spike protein, it can evade your vaccinated immune system, where a post-infection immune system likely will recognize and react to other virus characteristics. There’s a lot of thinking out there that this is what we’re seeing with Delta, particularly around breakthrough infections.

    Yes – good example. They have not isolated the original COVID-19 origin to make this vaccine. It is created with replicating the sequence – and we don’t as yet know how this virus sequence originated. If it is man-made, that is new. As you say, past vaccines are developed from bacteria and you get a dead version.  Also the vaccine has gone through all the stages of testing which takes a long time.

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  11. The Reticulator Member
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    Kelly B (View Comment):
    When the virus mutates in a way that changes the spike protein, it can evade your vaccinated immune system, where a post-infection immune system likely will recognize and react to other virus characteristics. There’s a lot of thinking out there that this is what we’re seeing with Delta, particularly around breakthrough infections

    I had expected that, too, but it turns out that the vaccines are doing a very good job of triggering a reaction that recognizes sars-cov-2 variants.  The problem with Delta is not that the vaccinated immune system doesn’t recognize and respond to it, but that it just reproduces so fast that those persons in which the antibodies have somewhat diminished (as they do after any vaccination for any disease) sometimes can’t keep up quickly enough to stop the first stage of covid. But the b-cells still produce enough antibodies quickly enough to keep the disease from progressing to the 2nd, more dangerous stage, in the vast majority of people. 

    One thing I learned last night is that if the two shots of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines had been spaced further apart, maybe 3 months apart instead of 3 weeks apart (in the case of Pfizer) we probably wouldn’t be talking about boosters now for people like me.   It’s not that people didn’t know a longer spacing between shots was probably better, but Pfizer was trying to come up with a way to administer a vaccine quickly.  They weren’t being evil (at that particular point) but there was pressure on the vaccine-makers for something to be done quickly, and they had a good result with a 3-week spacing that was good enough for emergency approval by the FDA.  

    I learned that from these two guys, and I don’t know how solid the data are behind that notion. The host of this show is somebody who has proven elsewhere to my satisfication that he knows what he’s talking about, but there is a lot more yucking it up for entertainment value on this YouTube show than presentation of actual data.  I am trusting what he says, which isn’t always safe.  Still, it’s a way for me to keep up with the latest.

     

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  12. Jager Coolidge
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    Kelly B (View Comment):

    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):

    One major problem here – if a virus can develop resistance to a vaccine, it can also develop resistance to the normal immune response. The vaccine’s whole purpose is to stimulate the same immune response as the actual virus, without actually risking infection. That’s what vaccines do. People can get repeat infections with viruses, and viruses can overwhelm the immune system.

    IANAD, but this topic has fascinated me and I’ve read a lot about it, so I’m hoping I can clarify here.

    The COVID “vaccines” differ from what most of us think of as vaccines. Traditionally, a vaccine used a virus molecule that had been killed or rendered impotent to trigger the immune reaction – and the immune system response was the same as it would have been to the live virus – to the whole molecule.

    The shots we’re getting now use messenger RNA to instruct your cells to produce ONLY the spike protein that COVID uses to interact with your cells – so that’s all that your vaccinated immune system knows about.

    When the virus mutates in a way that changes the spike protein, it can evade your vaccinated immune system, where a post-infection immune system likely will recognize and react to other virus characteristics. There’s a lot of thinking out there that this is what we’re seeing with Delta, particularly around breakthrough infections.

    But this can not be since Delta existed months before anyone was getting vaccinated. 

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  13. Kelly B Member
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    Jager (View Comment):

    Kelly B (View Comment):

    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):

    One major problem here – if a virus can develop resistance to a vaccine, it can also develop resistance to the normal immune response. The vaccine’s whole purpose is to stimulate the same immune response as the actual virus, without actually risking infection. That’s what vaccines do. People can get repeat infections with viruses, and viruses can overwhelm the immune system.

    IANAD, but this topic has fascinated me and I’ve read a lot about it, so I’m hoping I can clarify here.

    The COVID “vaccines” differ from what most of us think of as vaccines. Traditionally, a vaccine used a virus molecule that had been killed or rendered impotent to trigger the immune reaction – and the immune system response was the same as it would have been to the live virus – to the whole molecule.

    The shots we’re getting now use messenger RNA to instruct your cells to produce ONLY the spike protein that COVID uses to interact with your cells – so that’s all that your vaccinated immune system knows about.

    When the virus mutates in a way that changes the spike protein, it can evade your vaccinated immune system, where a post-infection immune system likely will recognize and react to other virus characteristics. There’s a lot of thinking out there that this is what we’re seeing with Delta, particularly around breakthrough infections.

    But this can not be since Delta existed months before anyone was getting vaccinated.

    Delta predominated because it had a mutation that was best able to work around vaccinated people. There are other mutations out there now that may take over from Delta because they’re even better at it. Evolution is all about improving the ability to reproduce. 

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  14. Kelly B Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Kelly B (View Comment):
    When the virus mutates in a way that changes the spike protein, it can evade your vaccinated immune system, where a post-infection immune system likely will recognize and react to other virus characteristics. There’s a lot of thinking out there that this is what we’re seeing with Delta, particularly around breakthrough infections

    I had expected that, too, but it turns out that the vaccines are doing a very good job of triggering a reaction that recognizes sars-cov-2 variants. The problem with Delta is not that the vaccinated immune system doesn’t recognize and respond to it, but that it just reproduces so fast that those persons in which the antibodies have somewhat diminished (as they do after any vaccination for any disease) sometimes can’t keep up quickly enough to stop the first stage of covid. But the b-cells still produce enough antibodies quickly enough to keep the disease from progressing to the 2nd, more dangerous stage, in the vast majority of people.

    One thing I learned last night is that if the two shots of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines had been spaced further apart, maybe 3 months apart instead of 3 weeks apart (in the case of Pfizer) we probably wouldn’t be talking about boosters now for people like me. It’s not that people didn’t know a longer spacing between shots was probably better, but Pfizer was trying to come up with a way to administer a vaccine quickly. They weren’t being evil (at that particular point) but there was pressure on the vaccine-makers for something to be done quickly, and they had a good result with a 3-week spacing that was good enough for emergency approval by the FDA.

    I learned that from these two guys, and I don’t know how solid the data are behind that notion. The host of this show is somebody who has proven elsewhere to my satisfication that he knows what he’s talking about, but there is a lot more yucking it up for entertainment value on this YouTube show than presentation of actual data. I am trusting what he says, which isn’t always safe. Still, it’s a way for me to keep up with the latest.

     

    I’ve heard that too – thanks for the reminder. That rapid reproduction, interestingly, makes the vaccinated population a whale of a disease vector because they’re shedding virus like crazy. 

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  15. The Reticulator Member
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    Kelly B (View Comment):
    That rapid reproduction, interestingly, makes the vaccinated population a whale of a disease vector because they’re shedding virus like crazy. 

    ???  I don’t think so. The unvaccinated shed a lot more virus than the vaccinated, because (for one reason) they’re infectious for a longer period.

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  16. Kelly B Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Kelly B (View Comment):
    That rapid reproduction, interestingly, makes the vaccinated population a whale of a disease vector because they’re shedding virus like crazy.

    ??? I don’t think so. The unvaccinated shed a lot more virus than the vaccinated, because (for one reason) they’re infectious for a longer period.

    I think both groups are, but anyone who gets obviously sick from it will isolate, whereas those who aren’t obviously sick but still infected probably won’t. 

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  17. The Reticulator Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Kelly B (View Comment):
    That rapid reproduction, interestingly, makes the vaccinated population a whale of a disease vector because they’re shedding virus like crazy.

    ??? I don’t think so. The unvaccinated shed a lot more virus than the vaccinated, because (for one reason) they’re infectious for a longer period.

    I just watched a piece around 26:00 – 27:00 where Malone speculates that vaccinated people spread the virus more because they are feeling better and are out and about.  

    I realize he’s just speculating and not claiming to have any evidence to support that idea, but if anybody knows of any evidence for it that is discussed in this video or elsewhere, please post a clue as to where it can be found.  

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  18. HeavyWater Reagan
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    An overwhelming majority of the people who are dying of covid are unvaccinated.  So, the safest thing to do is to get vaccinated.  

    If someone chooses to remain unvaccinated, that’s their choice.  But employers are not obligated to retain unvaccinated people on their payroll.  Restaurants are not obligated to allow unvaccinated people in their restaurant.  

    If you choose to not take a shower for 6 weeks, don’t be surprised if people and businesses shun you.  You make your choices and you face up to the consequences of your choice.  

    Don’t cry “unfair” when you chose to remain unvaccinated.  It’s on you.  

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  19. MiMac Thatcher
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    If anyone says Malone was an inventor of mRNA vaccine technology you KNOW he is getting ready to feed you misinformation or at least hasn’t a clue about what he is pushing…..it is like saying Ben Franklin was an inventor of light bulb technology….

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  20. The Reticulator Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    An overwhelming majority of the people who are dying of covid are unvaccinated.  So, the safest thing to do is to get vaccinated.

    Keep in mind that in a heavily vaccinated population, both of the following can be true:

    1. The unvaccinated are at far greater risk than the vaccinated.

    2. The majority of the people who are hospitalized and/or dying are the vaccinated.

    It seems we are seeing just that in at least one country.

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  21. HeavyWater Reagan
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    An overwhelming majority of the people who are dying of covid are unvaccinated. So, the safest thing to do is to get vaccinated.

    Keep in mind that in a heavily vaccinated population, both of the following can be true:

    1. The unvaccinated are at far greater risk than the vaccinated.

    2. The majority of the people who are hospitalized and/or dying are the vaccinated.

    It seems we are seeing just that in at least one country.

    It’s interesting to me how many people who don’t want to get vaccinated have absolutely no problem going to a restaurant and eating the food that is served to them by a stranger, without even checking to see if the food is prepared safely.

    Some flunkie in the restaurant kitchen could be really careless about the way he handles the chicken in your entree in such a way as to put you at serious health risk. But you chomp down on those chicken wings without any serious concern.

    But with the vaccine, gosh.  Better check to see what the local radio talk show host has to say about it before you do anything.  It’s really strange.

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  22. kedavis Inactive
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    An overwhelming majority of the people who are dying of covid are unvaccinated. So, the safest thing to do is to get vaccinated.

    Keep in mind that in a heavily vaccinated population, both of the following can be true:

    1. The unvaccinated are at far greater risk than the vaccinated.

    2. The majority of the people who are hospitalized and/or dying are the vaccinated.

    It seems we are seeing just that in at least one country.

    It’s interesting to me how many people who don’t want to get vaccinated have absolutely no problem going to a restaurant and eating the food that is served to them by a stranger, without even checking to see if the food is prepared safely.

    Some flunkie in the restaurant kitchen could be really careless about the way he handles the chicken in your entree in such a way as to put you at serious health risk. But you chomp down on those chicken wings without any serious concern.

    But with the vaccine, gosh. Better check to see what the local radio talk show host has to say about it before you do anything. It’s really strange.

    A “serious health risk” from not keeping cooked food at exactly the government-mandated temperature, for example, doesn’t seem as likely to cause death.  Maybe some vomiting and/or diarrhea for a couple days etc.

    Also, all of the food-handling methodology has a long and well-proven track record.

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  23. HeavyWater Reagan
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    An overwhelming majority of the people who are dying of covid are unvaccinated. So, the safest thing to do is to get vaccinated.

    Keep in mind that in a heavily vaccinated population, both of the following can be true:

    1. The unvaccinated are at far greater risk than the vaccinated.

    2. The majority of the people who are hospitalized and/or dying are the vaccinated.

    It seems we are seeing just that in at least one country.

    It’s interesting to me how many people who don’t want to get vaccinated have absolutely no problem going to a restaurant and eating the food that is served to them by a stranger, without even checking to see if the food is prepared safely.

    Some flunkie in the restaurant kitchen could be really careless about the way he handles the chicken in your entree in such a way as to put you at serious health risk. But you chomp down on those chicken wings without any serious concern.

    But with the vaccine, gosh. Better check to see what the local radio talk show host has to say about it before you do anything. It’s really strange.

    A “serious health risk” from not keeping cooked food at exactly the government-mandated temperature, for example, doesn’t seem as likely to cause death. Maybe some vomiting and/or diarrhea for a couple days etc.

    Also, all of the food-handling methodology has a long and well-proven track record.

    My point is that when we go to restaurants and eat the food they serve to us, we are putting food into our bodies without knowing very much about how many minutes/hours the food was left on the counter, whether the food fell on the floor prior to put being placed in the saucepan, whether one of the cooks washed his hands properly after using the restroom, etc.  

    People do get food poisoning.  It does happen.  But people don’t get all paranoid about going to a restaurant for a meal.  With the vaccine, some people have lost their friggin minds and there are lots of doctors who will feed their paranoia.  

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    An overwhelming majority of the people who are dying of covid are unvaccinated. So, the safest thing to do is to get vaccinated.

    Keep in mind that in a heavily vaccinated population, both of the following can be true:

    1. The unvaccinated are at far greater risk than the vaccinated.

    2. The majority of the people who are hospitalized and/or dying are the vaccinated.

    It seems we are seeing just that in at least one country.

    They also point out that the areas where just about everyone has gotten the vaccine, and they still could not control it, even through multiple lockdowns is something to observe and ask why. Israel, the UK and the US for example.  Yet a large population like India has done well, not taking all these measures and endorsed the ivermectin.  

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    • The doctors discuss past and present vaccine protocols, and how these safety measures have not been followed in the same way other vaccines have been developed and then released for treatment on humans. They have been bypassed and there is no way to measure side effects, both short, medium and long term so it is essentially a world-wide experiment. They cite that each country “is doing their own thing” and there is no central collection of data to establish very important and potentially serious results from the virus and vaccine. These include changes in all organs, not just the lungs, including the reproductive system. This is HUGE! This could impact future generations.

    Let’s say (hypothetically) that I already have 7 kids, 170 students, and an informal commitment to try to figure out the election, and that I don’t have time to figure out all the vaccine stuff. But let’s say (hypothetically) that I would like to take a look at their comments on this stuff.

    Any suggestion on where in the video I could jump in for this stuff?

    The first half is very medical and scientific – the latter half has to do with what to expect going forward, to remain vigilant but not fearful, and to understand the full picture including what the vaccines offer, why they are waning, why boosters for all are not a good idea and to protect freedom – so mid-way – especially the last 35 minutes.

    Thanks.

    I jumped in at about halfway and let it play till the end. From what I could understand, the critique of the “VAAAAAXEEEEEENNNNNZZ!!!” crowd was interesting, and probably correct on any number of points.

    But I wasn’t able to catch any details on safety measures not being followed, or about how vaccines might effect organs.

    I did hear, at about the halfway mark, one of them saying something about organs. But I think he said that spike proteins can harm organs that–not that the vaccines specifically do that.

    Did you get the part about safety being an issue?  I know you’re busy, but it’s all highly watchable.

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    One major problem here – if a virus can develop resistance to a vaccine, it can also develop resistance to the normal immune response. The vaccine’s whole purpose is to stimulate the same immune response as the actual virus, without actually risking infection. That’s what vaccines do. People can get repeat infections with viruses, and viruses can overwhelm the immune system.

    This runs into the problem that vaccinated people can run into selective immune memory (I forget what it’s technically called, but a subset of it is Immunity Original Sin, or somesuch) in which the body recognizes a pathogen and launches a response to the remembered like-pathogen, which ignores the differences between the old and the new pathogens, and is insufficient to the new one, thus creating (if I recall) an immune over-reaction to the — in this case — the old spike protein but not the whole virus body.  And furthermore, instead of mounting a defense to the whole virus, it merely coats some of the spikes, leaving the virus immune to macrophages, and the virus’ body and genetic payload intact.

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    That rapid reproduction, interestingly, makes the vaccinated population a whale of a disease vector because they’re shedding virus like crazy.

    ??? I don’t think so. The unvaccinated shed a lot more virus than the vaccinated, because (for one reason) they’re infectious for a longer period.

    No, everything I’ve read is that the vaccine allows the virus to live and reproduce but not to cause as severe and illness.  This leaves the vaccinated to have grossly inflated viral loads while remaining unaware of the illness (roughly speaking).

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    If anyone says Malone was an inventor of mRNA vaccine technology you KNOW he is getting ready to feed you misinformation or at least hasn’t a clue about what he is pushing…..it is like saying Ben Franklin was an inventor of light bulb technology….

    Well, he was listed everywhere as the investor of the mRNA instillation process and generally of the vaccine applications until his name recently got out and various sites started to delete his name, his research history, and his invention.

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    An overwhelming majority of the people who are dying of covid are unvaccinated. So, the safest thing to do is to get vaccinated.

    Keep in mind that in a heavily vaccinated population, both of the following can be true:

    1. The unvaccinated are at far greater risk than the vaccinated.

    2. The majority of the people who are hospitalized and/or dying are the vaccinated.

    It seems we are seeing just that in at least one country.

    It’s interesting to me how many people who don’t want to get vaccinated have absolutely no problem going to a restaurant and eating the food that is served to them by a stranger, without even checking to see if the food is prepared safely.

    Some flunkie in the restaurant kitchen could be really careless about the way he handles the chicken in your entree in such a way as to put you at serious health risk. But you chomp down on those chicken wings without any serious concern.

    But with the vaccine, gosh. Better check to see what the local radio talk show host has to say about it before you do anything. It’s really strange.

    That’s because our immune systems work that well.  We can eat just about anything except for certain pathogens, and those have been relatively rare.  This vaccine is a NEW antigen, and the products of it are not only new but man-made, and its short term effects and longer-term effects are completely unknown.  And the VAERS system is run by those who advocate for the vaccine.  There is a lot of reasons why people should be skeptical.

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    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    An overwhelming majority of the people who are dying of covid are unvaccinated. So, the safest thing to do is to get vaccinated.

    Keep in mind that in a heavily vaccinated population, both of the following can be true:

    1. The unvaccinated are at far greater risk than the vaccinated.

    2. The majority of the people who are hospitalized and/or dying are the vaccinated.

    It seems we are seeing just that in at least one country.

    It’s interesting to me how many people who don’t want to get vaccinated have absolutely no problem going to a restaurant and eating the food that is served to them by a stranger, without even checking to see if the food is prepared safely.

    Some flunkie in the restaurant kitchen could be really careless about the way he handles the chicken in your entree in such a way as to put you at serious health risk. But you chomp down on those chicken wings without any serious concern.

    But with the vaccine, gosh. Better check to see what the local radio talk show host has to say about it before you do anything. It’s really strange.

    A “serious health risk” from not keeping cooked food at exactly the government-mandated temperature, for example, doesn’t seem as likely to cause death. Maybe some vomiting and/or diarrhea for a couple days etc.

    Also, all of the food-handling methodology has a long and well-proven track record.

    My point is that when we go to restaurants and eat the food they serve to us, we are putting food into our bodies without knowing very much about how many minutes/hours the food was left on the counter, whether the food fell on the floor prior to put being placed in the saucepan, whether one of the cooks washed his hands properly after using the restroom, etc.

    People do get food poisoning. It does happen. But people don’t get all paranoid about going to a restaurant for a meal. With the vaccine, some people have lost their friggin minds and there are lots of doctors who will feed their paranoia.

    Again, this is ancient immunological biological “technology”.  The vaccine is utterly new and is not a food, and is potentially harmful or lethal.  This isn’t restaurant food.  This is laboratory-made injectables made for a deliberate immune response, by causing the human body itself to produce toxins or antigens, or pathogens in the body, and that have never been tested adequately.

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