The Logic of Forever COVID

 

With summer turning to autumn, the local paper of ill repute is warning of a “twindemic”:

The one thing [epidemiologists] fear is the possibility that the flu could spiral out of control this winter and if COVID does the same, doctors could be dealing with a “twindemic.” A twindemic is a situation where there are two pandemics or epidemics going on at the same time, such as the flu and COVID-19.

In such a scenario, the flu could reach historically high levels and along with COVID could swamp hospitals even more so than last year when the flu was kept at bay.

Why might this “twindemic” happen?

With less natural immunity in the community because fewer people were exposed to the flu last season, it’s possible cases of the flu could rebound dramatically this year, [OSU epidemiology professor Bill] Miller said.

“It sort of sets us up for an increase this year,” Miller said. “I think a significant return of influenza this year is a real possibility.”

With the flu season approaching this year, there is no state-mandated COVID mask requirement and distancing rules as there were last year. So unless they’re put back in place in individual communities as they have been in Columbus and several Greater Columbus suburbs, they could allow the flu to run rampant, Miller said.

Catch that? The flu is coming. It could be bad. Nobody has natural immunity this year. We’re not prepared. We’re in for trouble . . . unless, of course, we submit ourselves to the health-and-safety regime:

“So much depends on what happens with COVID and when we say in different parts of the country that it’s back under control,” Miller said. “… It’ll depend on when people let their guard down.”

One possibility, Miller said, is that places with masking and social distancing requirements may see their flu season delayed until COVID again recedes and mask mandates are again eased. For some places that could be February or March, Miller said.

Last year, COVID-related restrictions disrupted the ordinary cycles of disease transmission. This has left us more vulnerable to diseases. RSV surged this summer. The flu might surge this winter. We can delay the inevitable a bit longer, right? What’s six more months after a year-and-a-half of this? We can’t let our guard down now! And we can’t let our guard down in the spring, either. The flu could be even worse then.

The logic is clear: Forever COVID is here. We’ll be wearing masks and attending Zoom “parties” forever.

Unless we decide not to. Unless we choose to return to normal whatever our betters tell us, whatever the diktats say, and whatever the social costs might be.

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  1. D.A. Venters Inactive
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Actually we do know what people’s experiences are, anecdotally, similar to your story here. It’s the statistic that are given to us that we can’t verify.

    The only deaths I’m aware of were ventilator deaths, and the only disabilities I’m aware of were two to five day old post-vaccination hospitalizations with permanent cardiac injury.

    Everyone’s experiences will vary, without a doubt, and those experiences will affect how you assess credibility. Speaking only for myself, the main Covid story has lined up fairly well with my experiences.

    They said early on this would be a deadly illness, but the vast majority will survive it. That’s certainly been my experience – most people I’ve known who had it got over it fine. But some have died and some had close calls – as you would expect from the news reports.

    Most of the people I knew or knew of who died were elderly, but not all of them. A couple of people under 50, but most over 70. Again, as you would expect from the stats.

    They said masks and distancing would prevent transmission. Can’t say for sure why, but last year, with 3 young kids in schools with masks and distancing required, we had nary a sniffle in the house all year. Not even a head cold, let alone Covid, flu or anything else. That has never happened before.

    This year, no masks in school, and within 3 weeks after the first day, four fifths of our household were all down with Covid.

    They said the vaccine was safe. The majority of adults I know have gotten it.  Maybe the vast majority.  I’ve not heard of anyone having any problems with it beyond the expected and normal and harmless reaction.  I know of one person who thinks it might have caused occasional vertigo, but they are not sure, and it cleared up within a few weeks.

    They said the vaccine would not completely prevent all infection, but would keep them mild. Mine was a pretty mild case. They said Moderna protected a little better than Pfizer. I had Pfizer. My wife got Moderna and she was the only one of the 5 of us not to get sick.

    They said hospitals were having a hard time keeping up and each time that was in the news, I had already been hearing about it from people I know who work in hospitals.

    So, I certainly agree that many have overreacted, mis-predicted, done useless things just for the sake of doing something (last year’s 10:00pm curfew in Ohio for example).

    But just based on my personal experiences and observations, the basic Covid narrative seems to have been pretty accurate. In assessing all the credibility of all these competing Covid claims, that can’t help but play a role. I may be the only one, but I doubt it.

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  2. Full Size Tabby Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    The genius move of keeping kids home to unsuccessfully fight COVID spread also caused kids to get fat and fall behind both academically and immunologically.

    I had seen the information about kids getting fatter during their year plus of being stuck at home, and have wondered how many more health problems they’re going to have from that than they would from spreading viruses around. Fat kids tend to have myriad health issues, many of which become life-long issues.

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  3. Old Bathos Member
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    The genius move of keeping kids home to unsuccessfully fight COVID spread also caused kids to get fat and fall behind both academically and immunologically.

    I had seen the information about kids getting fatter during their year plus of being stuck at home, and have wondered how many more health problems they’re going to have from that than they would from spreading viruses around. Fat kids tend to have myriad health issues, many of which become life-long issues.

      Somebody did this from CDC data:

     

    And more joy:  Diabetes type 2 is climbing.  RSV is said to be worse than usual by some (I cannot confirm).  The data on teen ODs, suicides, ER mental health visits seems to indicate a big increase.  It is not enough for politicians and government experts to promise to get it right next time.  There has to be some serious suffering imposed.

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  4. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    It is not enough for politicians and government experts to promise to get it right next time.  There has to be some serious suffering imposed.

    Politicians rarely get it right, and they never learn from their mistakes. They just do the same thing, but more intently with greater costs.

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  5. KCVolunteer Lincoln
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    Hammer, The (Ryan M) (View Comment):

    Exactly. The covid hystericals have no end game. The mask zealots have no end game. These  “emergency orders” orders for potential emergencies will never end, because the “emergencies” will always be with us. The end result is tyranny, plain and simple. We either accept it or we reject it. I suggest the latter.

    FIFY

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  6. KCVolunteer Lincoln
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    I will be interested in the nation’s mortality figures for 2020. I have a feeling that, since it seems that all deaths in which a person tests positive for Covid is counted as a Covid death, the total number of deaths will not be much different from other years.

    I did a post on this a couple of weeks ago. My own calculation of excess deaths closely tracked reported Covid deaths. At the time, total reported Covid deaths were about 628,000, while my calculation of excess deaths was about 800,000. The time period was not just 2020, but was March 2020 to August 2021.

    I just checked my Excel spreadsheet, which I had saved. Here are the figures for total deaths:

    • 2017 – 2,751,037
    • 2018 – 2,772,759
    • 2019 – 2,794,267
    • 2020 – 3,353,766

    The reported 2017 figure is a bit low, as the data set excluded the first week. The average was about 50,000 deaths/week, so it was around 2.8 million.

    The total reported deaths for 2020 was about 518,000 higher than the average for 2017-2019.

    USA live births:

    • 1944 – 2,939,000
    • 1945 – 2,858,000
    • 1946 – 3,411,000
    • 1947 – 3,817,000

    The total reported live births for 1946-1947 was 1,431,000 more than for 1944-1945.

    Maybe averaging isn’t the correct method. Why don’t they use actuarial tables?

     

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  7. Hammer, The (Ryan M) Inactive
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    Jack Shepherd (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    I will be interested in the nation’s mortality figures for 2020. I have a feeling that, since it seems that all deaths in which a person tests positive for Covid is counted as a Covid death, the total number of deaths will not be much different from other years.

    I did a post on this a couple of weeks ago. My own calculation of excess deaths closely tracked reported Covid deaths. At the time, total reported Covid deaths were about 628,000, while my calculation of excess deaths was about 800,000. The time period was not just 2020, but was March 2020 to August 2021.

    I just checked my Excel spreadsheet, which I had saved. Here are the figures for total deaths:

    • 2017 – 2,751,037
    • 2018 – 2,772,759
    • 2019 – 2,794,267
    • 2020 – 3,353,766

    The reported 2017 figure is a bit low, as the data set excluded the first week. The average was about 50,000 deaths/week, so it was around 2.8 million.

    The total reported deaths for 2020 was about 518,000 higher than the average for 2017-2019.

    But what percentage of those excess deaths were due to COVID, and how many were suicides, cancer patients who were not treated, etc.?

    That’s the real question. Not simple “excess deaths”, for crying out loud.

    Also, raw numbers are meaningless without considering population changes. Yes, covid seems to have had something of an impact. No, it was nowhere close to justifying the utter destruction of individual liberty, checks and balances, separation of powers.  

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  8. Hammer, The (Ryan M) Inactive
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    ..,

    I have returned to normal. I don’t wear a mask, and I go where I have always gone and done what I always did. In my neighborhood, however, there are parallel cultures – the maskless, with their shameless naked faces, and the perpetually masked in the same grocery store, all convinced it’s a public duty, because they could be gusting out death-aerosols without knowing it. You wonder if they’ve been permanently rewired. They will get the booster (as will I) and still mask. The idea of being in a public space without the impermeable shield of pliable adamantium is unnerving.

    You never know what people’s experiences have been with this. I recently had a breakthrough case, which was fairly mild but with some symptoms. For a couple of weeks after my quarantine ended I still wore a mask around. I knew it was unlikely I could spread it, but I was still coughing occasionally and felt it was appropriate to do that.

    Now that I’m a few weeks out, and no longer coughing, I’ve stopped wearing one. But for awhile there if someone saw me in the store they might have assumed I’m some kind of “rewired” coward or something stupid like that.

    People are not necessarily basing their behavior on left wing news, you know. As Jerry’s calculations show, a lot of people are dying from this. Nearly as many as die from cancer. That’s not just an item on the news. 650,000 dead means tens of millions, maybe more, who personally know people who have died from it. Hundreds of millions, nearly everyone, within 2 or 3 degrees of separation. And how many more know people who had close calls?

    Earlier this year, a young father in our community died from Covid, one of my son’s 5th grade classmates’ father, in his 30’s. You never know if the person you see at the grocery store might have just heard about something like that. Maybe it’s not doing any actual good for them to mask up, but I think the impulse is understandable and doesn’t justify some assumption as to how they’re wired. We’re all wired that way to some extent or another.

    My point is only that people’s experiences are going to affect their behavior, and often in ways that don’t necessarily jibe with statistical risk analysis or models of disease spread, etc. Everyone does that.

    I really don’t care what a person’s experiences are when it comes to the question of whether or not that person is permitted to force his own behavior preferences on everyone else.

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  9. Jack Shepherd Inactive
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    Hammer, The (Ryan M) (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    ..,

    I have returned to normal. I don’t wear a mask, and I go where I have always gone and done what I always did. In my neighborhood, however, there are parallel cultures – the maskless, with their shameless naked faces, and the perpetually masked in the same grocery store, all convinced it’s a public duty, because they could be gusting out death-aerosols without knowing it. You wonder if they’ve been permanently rewired. They will get the booster (as will I) and still mask. The idea of being in a public space without the impermeable shield of pliable adamantium is unnerving.

    You never know what people’s experiences have been with this. I recently had a breakthrough case, which was fairly mild but with some symptoms. For a couple of weeks after my quarantine ended I still wore a mask around. I knew it was unlikely I could spread it, but I was still coughing occasionally and felt it was appropriate to do that.

    Now that I’m a few weeks out, and no longer coughing, I’ve stopped wearing one. But for awhile there if someone saw me in the store they might have assumed I’m some kind of “rewired” coward or something stupid like that.

    People are not necessarily basing their behavior on left wing news, you know. As Jerry’s calculations show, a lot of people are dying from this. Nearly as many as die from cancer. That’s not just an item on the news. 650,000 dead means tens of millions, maybe more, who personally know people who have died from it. Hundreds of millions, nearly everyone, within 2 or 3 degrees of separation. And how many more know people who had close calls?

    Earlier this year, a young father in our community died from Covid, one of my son’s 5th grade classmates’ father, in his 30’s. You never know if the person you see at the grocery store might have just heard about something like that. Maybe it’s not doing any actual good for them to mask up, but I think the impulse is understandable and doesn’t justify some assumption as to how they’re wired. We’re all wired that way to some extent or another.

    My point is only that people’s experiences are going to affect their behavior, and often in ways that don’t necessarily jibe with statistical risk analysis or models of disease spread, etc. Everyone does that.

    I really don’t care what a person’s experiences are when it comes to the question of whether or not that person is permitted to force his own behavior preferences on everyone else.

    Exactly.

    The plural of “anecdote” is not “data”.

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  10. The Reticulator Member
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    Jack Shepherd (View Comment):
    The plural of “anecdote” is not “data”.

    I disagree.

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  11. Flicker Coolidge
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    Hammer, The (Ryan M) (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    You never know what people’s experiences have been with this. I recently had a breakthrough case, which was fairly mild but with some symptoms. For a couple of weeks after my quarantine ended I still wore a mask around. I knew it was unlikely I could spread it, but I was still coughing occasionally and felt it was appropriate to do that.

    Now that I’m a few weeks out, and no longer coughing, I’ve stopped wearing one. But for awhile there if someone saw me in the store they might have assumed I’m some kind of “rewired” coward or something stupid like that.

    People are not necessarily basing their behavior on left wing news, you know. As Jerry’s calculations show, a lot of people are dying from this. Nearly as many as die from cancer. That’s not just an item on the news. 650,000 dead means tens of millions, maybe more, who personally know people who have died from it. Hundreds of millions, nearly everyone, within 2 or 3 degrees of separation. And how many more know people who had close calls?

    Earlier this year, a young father in our community died from Covid, one of my son’s 5th grade classmates’ father, in his 30’s. You never know if the person you see at the grocery store might have just heard about something like that. Maybe it’s not doing any actual good for them to mask up, but I think the impulse is understandable and doesn’t justify some assumption as to how they’re wired. We’re all wired that way to some extent or another.

    My point is only that people’s experiences are going to affect their behavior, and often in ways that don’t necessarily jibe with statistical risk analysis or models of disease spread, etc. Everyone does that.

    I really don’t care what a person’s experiences are when it comes to the question of whether or not that person is permitted to force his own behavior preferences on everyone else.

    I agree.  If people’s experience and the emotional weight of their experience play into social interactions and mask-wearing decisions, I would like to point out that after a year and a half or this, I’m tired of saying What, what? what?? and having to ask people to pull down masks when they talk to me.  There’s no reason why masks should be the default position.  I think people should be maskless unless someone declares their mask personal preference.

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  12. D.A. Venters Inactive
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    Hammer, The (Ryan M) (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    ..,

    In my neighborhood, however, there are parallel cultures – the maskless, with their shameless naked faces, and the perpetually masked in the same grocery store, all convinced it’s a public duty, because they could be gusting out death-aerosols without knowing it. You wonder if they’ve been permanently rewired. They will get the booster (as will I) and still mask. The idea of being in a public space without the impermeable shield of pliable adamantium is unnerving.

    You never know what people’s experiences have been with this. I recently had a breakthrough case, which was fairly mild but with some symptoms. For a couple of weeks after my quarantine ended I still wore a mask around. I knew it was unlikely I could spread it, but I was still coughing occasionally and felt it was appropriate to do that.

    Now that I’m a few weeks out, and no longer coughing, I’ve stopped wearing one. But for awhile there if someone saw me in the store they might have assumed I’m some kind of “rewired” coward or something stupid like that.

    People are not necessarily basing their behavior on left wing news, you know. As Jerry’s calculations show, a lot of people are dying from this. Nearly as many as die from cancer. That’s not just an item on the news. 650,000 dead means tens of millions, maybe more, who personally know people who have died from it. Hundreds of millions, nearly everyone, within 2 or 3 degrees of separation. And how many more know people who had close calls?

    Earlier this year, a young father in our community died from Covid, one of my son’s 5th grade classmates’ father, in his 30’s. You never know if the person you see at the grocery store might have just heard about something like that. Maybe it’s not doing any actual good for them to mask up, but I think the impulse is understandable and doesn’t justify some assumption as to how they’re wired. We’re all wired that way to some extent or another.

    My point is only that people’s experiences are going to affect their behavior, and often in ways that don’t necessarily jibe with statistical risk analysis or models of disease spread, etc. Everyone does that.

    I really don’t care what a person’s experiences are when it comes to the question of whether or not that person is permitted to force his own behavior preferences on everyone else.

    Okay, but just for the record,  I wasn’t talking about mandates at all.  I was responding to Lileks’ comment making assumptions about people he sees wearing masks at the grocery store, who are just going about their business and not bothering anyone about it. 

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  13. Steven Seward Member
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    JustmeinAZ (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    My point is only that people’s experiences are going to affect their behavior, and often in ways that don’t necessarily jibe with statistical risk analysis or models of disease spread, etc. Everyone does that.

    I don’t think it’s necessarily “experiences” that are affecting most behavior. It’s more the panic mongering of our leaders and the media that has people terrified. And they are also being led to believe that we are going to “beat” this and go back to whatever they think normal is if only we wear enough masks and get enough vaccines. Covid is not going away and a lot of people are going to die. This is the new normal. Everyone should protect themselves according to their own risk assessment. We can’t live lives as a free people if we have to show our proof of health everywhere we go.

    ETA: And too many people think that getting Covid is an automatic death sentence.

    This Gallup Poll reinforces your opinion on this.  The headline of the article “Gallup Survey: Republicans underestimate Covid risks while Democrats overestimate them” is totally misleading.  When you look at the actual graphs, it shows that Republicans also overestimate the rates of hospitalizations along with Democrats, just not nearly as much.  A whopping 41% of Democrats think that 50% or more of all Covid infections result in hospitalizations.  This is the ridiculous finding that Bill Maher complained about recently when he said that Democrats were believing the hype from the dishonest media.

     

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