Disapproving Home Improvement: A Man’s Tale

 

About a year ago we had a minor flood.  The line feeding hot water to a jacuzzi tub in my master bath decided to leak.  The tub, made of cultured marble, had once been repaired and the repair failed.  Cultured marble, we found out, is difficult if not impossible, to repair.  We had plans to replace the tub, but contemplating a new tub led to thoughts of replacing our aged shower, then redoing our entire master bath, and quickly, the project became so complex and painful, the tub became a place to put a presorted laundry hamper and we forgot about it.  Then, ten years later, the leak.

I never liked that tub.

The leak was just a pin hole, but overnight, it made up for its size with amazing persistence.  The insurance company rushed in with a remediation team and within a few days, the shower, tub, surrounding drywall and flooring, and the ceiling below, were demolished and the debris hauled off.  For weeks, blowers roared behind flapping plastic partitions.  A technician made daily inspections, testing the sills and subfloor for wetness and mold.  One by one, the blowers were removed until they were gone.  The insurance company sent us a settlement.  I pointed out that they had factored our deductible into their figures twice.  They sent a correction, and perhaps as a matter of procedure or out of guilt, added significantly to the original settlement even though we’d not complained.

We expanded the project to a complete rehab of the master bath.  There was never a thought of calling a contractor.  I would handle the project myself, bringing in skilled subs as needed.  I got numbers from plumbers, drywall guys, flooring guys.  I let my wife decide on plumbing fixtures, lighting, etc.

In late 2020, we ordered a stand-alone tub from a major retailer.  Literally within minutes of that online order, we were notified it would be delayed.  Then it was delayed again.  And again.  I was told to call for more information and was given a ship date.  That was in May.  Delivery was rescheduled for late July.  I called in late July.  The order would have to be canceled.  The retailer no longer carried that brand.

This story was repeated over and over.  Faucets – backordered, then discontinued.  Sinks, not available.  Toilets, no longer manufactured.  Shower pan – not currently available in our configuration.  We charged forward, found alternatives.  My garage is filled with boxes of stuff and my bathroom is still a gutted mess.

I now have two stand-alone tubs.  Something got crossed up and two arrived.

In the meantime, I have inspected every single granite, quartzite, marble, quartz, and limestone slab available in the Phoenix market (and many, more than once.)  This would be for the counters, of course.  I never knew that this would be quite so challenging.  As a rock hound, I pretty much love them all.  But my lovely wife, not so much.  I’m hopeful, now that all the required fixtures sit sweltering in my garage, that the great stone search will soon come to a close.

But just in case you wonder whether or not COVID has really damaged our economy, let me tell you, it has.  Tasks that were once just difficult, are now herculean.  Home improvement projects take not months, but years.  And have you tried to buy a car lately?  (I have.)  The dealers have to sell something, so new car lots are either empty or filled with overpriced used cars and trucks.  The auto manufacturers face the same problems I face with my master bath rehab.  Parts aren’t available.  Materials are scarce.  Production lines can barely be kept operating.  Inventory is now an archaic word.

This is madness.

I have good news though.  If you are looking for a nice stand-alone soaker tub (they are all the rage these days) I have one available for immediate delivery.  Lock in your price now!  Otherwise, good luck with that.

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  1. Jimmy Carter Member
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  2. Jimmy Carter Member
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    Flood

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    cdor (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

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    cdor (View Comment):

    When it comes to receiving overages on orders, I encourage treating them as you would an underage. It’s pretty simple, if you receive more than you paid for, return it. If you receive less, expect to get more product or a refund. Taking advantage of others errors is, simply put, stealing.

    In theory, that’s a good idea. But in practice it rarely if ever works. To use a term I may have invented in my youth, they are “administratively incapable” of dealing with such situations. Their records show they sent me ONE, and if I return ONE, then I MUST BE returning the ONE that I paid for, therefore they owe me a refund. Their systems won’t allow them to do anything else. They are “administratively incapable” of correcting their human errors.

    Sounds like a great excuse for keeping something that doesn’t belong to you. Sorry, that’s the way I see it. BTW, what would you do if the shoe was on the other foot? Would you allow a company to charge you for a product or service they didn’t deliver?

    The records systems work differently there. For example, if Home Depot says they sent me something, maybe by UPS, but UPS has no record of it being accepted or delivered, they can deal with that. It’s records vs records. And The Records Are Always Right. I suppose they allow for them sending less than they were supposed to, and correcting for that, because of customer complaints. But they’re not set up for dealing with overages. I know, I’ve tried.

    I suppose you could say that someone who receives too much should donate it to charity or something, rather than profit from it personally. But when they make it effectively impossible to do “the right thing” and actually fight against you doing so, I don’t see how it’s my responsibility or obligation to fix THEIR PROBLEM. I’m certainly not going to drive 50-60 miles each way, even if I had a vehicle to do so, just to try and convince them to take it back. In my case, that would cost more than the hole saw.

    I’m not aware of any charities in my little town. Do you think I should throw it in the trash, to cleanse my soul?

    I don’t care what you do with it, but I am happy to see you attempted to return any overage you receive. If the company doesn’t want it back there is nothing further you can do.

    Sometimes they apparently write it off as generating good will.  My brother ordered some cat food for my herd from Chewy(.com) but mistakenly put his home address for shipping instead of mine.  Even though it was his fault, Chewy replaced the order shipped to me and he gave the first to shelters.

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

     

    Not enough rebar?  :-)

    Probably more of a drainage issue, really.

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  5. Randy Webster Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    When it comes to receiving overages on orders, I encourage treating them as you would an underage. It’s pretty simple, if you receive more than you paid for, return it. If you receive less, expect to get more product or a refund. Taking advantage of others errors is, simply put, stealing.

    In theory, that’s a good idea. But in practice it rarely if ever works. To use a term I may have invented in my youth, they are “administratively incapable” of dealing with such situations. Their records show they sent me ONE, and if I return ONE, then I MUST BE returning the ONE that I paid for, therefore they owe me a refund. Their systems won’t allow them to do anything else. They are “administratively incapable” of correcting their human errors.

    Sounds like a great excuse for keeping something that doesn’t belong to you. Sorry, that’s the way I see it. BTW, what would you do if the shoe was on the other foot? Would you allow a company to charge you for a product or service they didn’t deliver?

    The records systems work differently there. For example, if Home Depot says they sent me something, maybe by UPS, but UPS has no record of it being accepted or delivered, they can deal with that. It’s records vs records. And The Records Are Always Right. I suppose they allow for them sending less than they were supposed to, and correcting for that, because of customer complaints. But they’re not set up for dealing with overages. I know, I’ve tried.

    I suppose you could say that someone who receives too much should donate it to charity or something, rather than profit from it personally. But when they make it effectively impossible to do “the right thing” and actually fight against you doing so, I don’t see how it’s my responsibility or obligation to fix THEIR PROBLEM. I’m certainly not going to drive 50-60 miles each way, even if I had a vehicle to do so, just to try and convince them to take it back. In my case, that would cost more than the hole saw.

    I’m not aware of any charities in my little town. Do you think I should throw it in the trash, to cleanse my soul?

    The few times we’ve had to deal with the wrong shipment or the wrong quantity, the companies have said “Just keep it,” rather than having to deal with shipping costs, etc.

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    When it comes to receiving overages on orders, I encourage treating them as you would an underage. It’s pretty simple, if you receive more than you paid for, return it. If you receive less, expect to get more product or a refund. Taking advantage of others errors is, simply put, stealing.

    In theory, that’s a good idea. But in practice it rarely if ever works. To use a term I may have invented in my youth, they are “administratively incapable” of dealing with such situations. Their records show they sent me ONE, and if I return ONE, then I MUST BE returning the ONE that I paid for, therefore they owe me a refund. Their systems won’t allow them to do anything else. They are “administratively incapable” of correcting their human errors.

    Sounds like a great excuse for keeping something that doesn’t belong to you. Sorry, that’s the way I see it. BTW, what would you do if the shoe was on the other foot? Would you allow a company to charge you for a product or service they didn’t deliver?

    The records systems work differently there. For example, if Home Depot says they sent me something, maybe by UPS, but UPS has no record of it being accepted or delivered, they can deal with that. It’s records vs records. And The Records Are Always Right. I suppose they allow for them sending less than they were supposed to, and correcting for that, because of customer complaints. But they’re not set up for dealing with overages. I know, I’ve tried.

    I suppose you could say that someone who receives too much should donate it to charity or something, rather than profit from it personally. But when they make it effectively impossible to do “the right thing” and actually fight against you doing so, I don’t see how it’s my responsibility or obligation to fix THEIR PROBLEM. I’m certainly not going to drive 50-60 miles each way, even if I had a vehicle to do so, just to try and convince them to take it back. In my case, that would cost more than the hole saw.

    I’m not aware of any charities in my little town. Do you think I should throw it in the trash, to cleanse my soul?

    The few times we’ve had to deal with the wrong shipment or the wrong quantity, the companies have said “Just keep it,” rather than having to deal with shipping costs, etc.

    Even dealing with a company who can recognize the issue, seems rare these days.  Most companies just believe whatever their computer system tells them.

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  7. cdor Member
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    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    Flood

    That sucks!

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  8. cdor Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

     

    kedavis (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    A similar thing happened to me when I ordered from Chewy. They had sent the wrong size and told me to just keep the product they had shipped incorrectly, but in my case,  it was their error.

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    A similar thing happened to me when I ordered from Chewy. They had sent the wrong size and told me to just keep the product they had shipped incorrectly, but in my case, it was their error.

    My brother loves them, but I think their prices are too high for the convenience.  Plus I prefer to get as much as I can from Family Dollar, it’s the only “variety” store in town and I want to support them as much as possible.  I’d be in REAL trouble if they closed.

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  10. cdor Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

     

    In theory, that’s a good idea. But in practice it rarely if ever works. To use a term I may have invented in my youth, they are “administratively incapable” of dealing with such situations. Their records show they sent me ONE, and if I return ONE, then I MUST BE returning the ONE that I paid for, therefore they owe me a refund. Their systems won’t allow them to do anything else. They are “administratively incapable” of correcting their human errors.

    Sounds like a great excuse for keeping something that doesn’t belong to you. Sorry, that’s the way I see it. BTW, what would you do if the shoe was on the other foot? Would you allow a company to charge you for a product or service they didn’t deliver?

    The records systems work differently there. For example, if Home Depot says they sent me something, maybe by UPS, but UPS has no record of it being accepted or delivered, they can deal with that. It’s records vs records. And The Records Are Always Right. I suppose they allow for them sending less than they were supposed to, and correcting for that, because of customer complaints. But they’re not set up for dealing with overages. I know, I’ve tried.

    I suppose you could say that someone who receives too much should donate it to charity or something, rather than profit from it personally. But when they make it effectively impossible to do “the right thing” and actually fight against you doing so, I don’t see how it’s my responsibility or obligation to fix THEIR PROBLEM. I’m certainly not going to drive 50-60 miles each way, even if I had a vehicle to do so, just to try and convince them to take it back. In my case, that would cost more than the hole saw.

    I’m not aware of any charities in my little town. Do you think I should throw it in the trash, to cleanse my soul?

    The few times we’ve had to deal with the wrong shipment or the wrong quantity, the companies have said “Just keep it,” rather than having to deal with shipping costs, etc.

    Even dealing with a company who can recognize the issue, seems rare these days. Most companies just believe whatever their computer system tells them.

    It’s a little different situation when you are doing business with a local company delivering in their own trucks. Most of the time neither the contractor nor the homeowner wants the extra product anyway. But from my point of view as a former business owner, I would always appreciate an honest customer who, at least, gave me the opportunity to get my product back.

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  11. iWe Coolidge
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    I have had very expensive Home Depot and Lowes orders delivered twice, and then, despite many calls, never coming to get one. 

    On a specific Lowes order, they erroneously charged me 2x, then refunded me 2x. Every month there is a new charge and refund for the same amount. They simply cannot get it straight, and there is no reasonable way to correct it.

    In total, this is about $5k worth of goods and materials. So they really should care.

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