A Physician Ramble on Covid

 

I have a visceral distrust of government mandates, probably like most people on Ricochet. In addition, I think Fauci’s early lying to a free people that masks don’t work in order to preserve them for healthcare workers was abominable and sowed seeds of distrust in public health that are bearing fruit today. That being said, derided, discouraged, hated, or mandated, masks work to decrease the spread of COVID.

I am a doctor. My wife is a doctor. We have seen countless COVID-positive patients. Before the vaccines were available, we were protected by nothing but masks and we did not get COVID. Masks work at decreasing the spread of COVID and other respiratory illnesses. Masks — regular old surgical masks — are all that most people providing care to COVID patients in the hospital wear. N95 masks are typically reserved for times when an invasive airway procedure is planned.

Though there were some COVID cases among caregivers, we did not see nurses, doctors, or respiratory therapists decimated. Masks are used in hospitals against other respiratory illnesses as well –RSV, flu, etc. I have been protected from RSV for 30 years by surgical masks–nothing more. Masks work to decrease spread of respiratory illnesses and are a mainstay in their care in hospitals. Do you believe your own doctor or your doctor friends who recommend masks based on decades of experience or do you demand a randomized controlled trial in the middle of a pandemic in order to be persuaded that the general welfare is best benefitted by masking.

The COVID vaccines work as well. Thanks be to God, President Trump, and Operation Warp Speed that the vaccine rollout happened when it did and mitigated the worst phase of the COVID illness in Dec 2020 – Jan 2021. Daily new cases in the US peaked at ~308,000 around January 8. By mid-February, daily case rate was down to 65,000–an 80% drop–due to the vaccine. The need for boosters and lack of best understanding as to when those should be administered does not take away from vaccine efficacy.

Humility as to the limits of our knowledge is one of my big takeaways from Dr. Thomas Sowell and a chief reason that centrally planned economies cannot work. I agree that the elites in charge do not have all (most) of the answers and that at best, their motivations are mixed. In regard to public health guidance, I agree that the CDC turnarounds throughout COVID have been dizzying.

However, shouldn’t humility about the limits of knowledge work in the other direction too? Shouldn’t humility about the limits of knowledge serve as a fetter to broad proclamations about COVID insight based on Google “research?” Shouldn’t unprecedented notification that the nearby university hospital is full and canceling elective surgeries — as well as all the private hospitals in a city — prompt a personal response other than a comparison that COVID is no worse than the flu? Shouldn’t conservatives, of all people, recognize a connection between our personal behavior and the public good?

Starting 20 years ago on “Oprah,” I recognized an aspect of the loss of hierarchy (identified by Richard Weaver in 1948 in “Ideas Have Consequences”) when a world expert on a phenomenon with a depth and breadth of knowledge of a topic would be sat next to a single sufferer of the phenomenon whose emotions were equated to a life of study and concentrated attention to the issue.

Can we still acknowledge that someone may know more about something than I do even if I do not like what they are saying, the way they are saying it, or them?  They may be right despite themselves. Should you be so self-assured that you are safe from a bad case of COVID because you never get the flu either and hence a COVID vaccine is unwarranted though you are 56 years old and have five people depending on you in the middle of a pandemic?

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  1. Hammer, The (Ryan M) Inactive
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    Jager (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Hammer, The (Ryan M) (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    The “crisis” also has to do with staffing–having enough nurses to serve patients. Florida is having a challenge trying to staff up.

    This is certainly the case in my area. Many nurses and hospital workers are quitting due to the recent vaccine mandate. There are many other reasons why our local hospital are currently experiencing a staff shortage. None of it is because of covid; ALL of it is because of the behavior of hospital administrators. This is a self-made “crisis.”

    Not terribly encouraging for the average American reluctant to get vaccinated when they see thousands of hospital workers and other medical professionals refuse to do so.

    The vast majority are in fact vaccinated.

    Yeah…ignore the optics of hospital workers on strike protesting forced vaccinations. My bad.

    Our local Hospitals put in a vaccine mandate. The Public is vaccinated between 60-70% and health care workers are vaccinated at a much higher rate. The Hospital CEO anticipates a 2% staff turn over from the mandate. 2% of the staff of a Hospital would look like a significant strike but really isn’t. Earlier in the year there were Hospital worker’s going on Strike for higher wages because they had to deal with so many sick people.

    I think what is missed in all of this is the disturbing reality that mandates (even private mandates) are tyrannical in nature, and not something we should encourage or even tolerate in the US.  If vaccines work, they protect you.  Once you have the option to become vaccinated, you have no reason to demand that others do so.  Employers (and governments) mandating vaccines are not protecting their own interests in any respect.  Unvaccinated individuals are no threat to anyone but themselves, and they are no threat to the business interests (or government interests) in question.  Take, for example, the Los Vegas Raiders’ policy that only vaccinated fans may enter.  You have the option of receiving the vaccine at the gate!  If this is about protecting fans, getting a vaccine at the gate and entering is a ludicrous notion, as the vaccine would take weeks to take effect.  But of course it is not about protecting anyone, it is about coercing people to do something you want them to do.  That is what all of these mandates are.  Coerced behavior, justified because some people believe that the behavior in question is good, and therefore who could possibly object to its being coerced?  This mindset is absolutely suicidal for a nation of people who value liberty.

    Masks are available for anyone who wants to wear them.  Your mileage may vary.  Vaccines are available to anyone who wants to obtain one.  I highly encourage anyone who wishes to do so to do either of the above.  That’s your business.  Just as my decisions are my business, not yours.

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  2. Jim McConnell Member
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    Gromrus (View Comment):

    OK, many hospitals are full then, if you prefer that. 

    My hospital, a university hospital and the largest in my city and area is full. Many hospitals in my area of the country are full and adding tents. 

    Mine, too. My son-in-law here in Eugene, OR was scheduled for a hip replacement this coming Friday, but it was canceled indefinitely because of hospital overload.

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  3. Hammer, The (Ryan M) Inactive
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    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    Gromrus (View Comment):

    OK, many hospitals are full then, if you prefer that.

    My hospital, a university hospital and the largest in my city and area is full. Many hospitals in my area of the country are full and adding tents.

    Mine, too. My son-in-law here in Eugene, OR was scheduled for a hip replacement this coming Friday, but it was canceled indefinitely because of hospital overload.

    I’ll say it again.  I don’t really believe that this “wave” is any worse than anything that has happened over the past year and a half (during which our hospitals were not ever overwhelmed).  In my area, looking just at the graph of “cases,” the current wave has already peaked and is falling, and only ever got up to about 1/2 of the next largest peak.  Hospitalizations and deaths are nowhere even close to this winter or even last summer.

    But that being said – this is all after 70% of the country has been vaccinated.  Shouldn’t that give us some reason for pause, with respect to everything we’re being told about vaccines?  Worst case scenario, the vaccines are useless or even possibly making things worse.  Best case scenario, the vaccinated are protected and the unvaccinated are rapidly gaining natural immunity.  I guess we’ll know the answer to that soon because if that’s the case, there will be very little covid over the winter.

    None of that, however, changes the simple fact that if you look at chart after chart after chart, in literally every jurisdiction of the United States (and globally) – you see waves and peaks and declines, and absolutely nowhere does that ever correspond to mask usage, much less mask mandates.  That is the sort of evidence that is so glaringly obvious it is amazing to me that there are still pockets of otherwise intelligent individuals who say things like “well, we know masks work.  After all, I wear one and I haven’t gotten sick.”  If this is the type of reasoning that now passes anyone’s sniff test, we are truly becoming a stupid population.

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  4. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Hammer, The (Ryan M) (View Comment):
    I think what is missed in all of this is the disturbing reality that mandates (even private mandates) are tyrannical in nature, and not something we should encourage or even tolerate in the US.  If vaccines work, they protect you.  Once you have the option to become vaccinated, you have no reason to demand that others do so.  Employers (and governments) mandating vaccines are not protecting their own interests in any respect.  Unvaccinated individuals are no threat to anyone but themselves, and they are no threat to the business interests (or government interests) in question.  Take, for example, the Los Vegas Raiders’ policy that only vaccinated fans may enter.  You have the option of receiving the vaccine at the gate!  If this is about protecting fans, getting a vaccine at the gate and entering is a ludicrous notion, as the vaccine would take weeks to take effect.  But of course it is not about protecting anyone, it is about coercing people to do something you want them to do.  That is what all of these mandates are.  Coerced behavior, justified because some people believe that the behavior in question is good, and therefore who could possibly object to its being coerced?  This mindset is absolutely suicidal for a nation of people who value liberty.

    Well, Ryan, part of the indoctrination of young people for a couple generations now is never to see yourself as an individual with individual, constitutionally-guaranteed rights, but as a member of a group who is only allowed to act in ways deemed acceptable by that group.

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  5. Brian Watt Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Hammer, The (Ryan M) (View Comment):
    I think what is missed in all of this is the disturbing reality that mandates (even private mandates) are tyrannical in nature, and not something we should encourage or even tolerate in the US. If vaccines work, they protect you. Once you have the option to become vaccinated, you have no reason to demand that others do so. Employers (and governments) mandating vaccines are not protecting their own interests in any respect. Unvaccinated individuals are no threat to anyone but themselves, and they are no threat to the business interests (or government interests) in question. Take, for example, the Los Vegas Raiders’ policy that only vaccinated fans may enter. You have the option of receiving the vaccine at the gate! If this is about protecting fans, getting a vaccine at the gate and entering is a ludicrous notion, as the vaccine would take weeks to take effect. But of course it is not about protecting anyone, it is about coercing people to do something you want them to do. That is what all of these mandates are. Coerced behavior, justified because some people believe that the behavior in question is good, and therefore who could possibly object to its being coerced? This mindset is absolutely suicidal for a nation of people who value liberty.

    Well, Ryan, part of the indoctrination of young people for a couple generations now is never to see yourself as an individual with individual, constitutionally-guaranteed rights, but as a member of a group who is only allowed to act in ways deemed acceptable by that group.

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  6. DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) Coolidge
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    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    Gromrus (View Comment):

    OK, many hospitals are full then, if you prefer that.

    My hospital, a university hospital and the largest in my city and area is full. Many hospitals in my area of the country are full and adding tents.

    Mine, too. My son-in-law here in Eugene, OR was scheduled for a hip replacement this coming Friday, but it was canceled indefinitely because of hospital overload.

    Hospitals are supposed to be full.  That is the business model.  I watched one of the linked “tent” stories and the tents were empty–waiting for wave that has already peaked.  The only real problem area is near the Mexico border, where 40% of the illegal aliens are testing for Covid.

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  7. Hammer, The (Ryan M) Inactive
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    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    Gromrus (View Comment):

    OK, many hospitals are full then, if you prefer that.

    My hospital, a university hospital and the largest in my city and area is full. Many hospitals in my area of the country are full and adding tents.

    Mine, too. My son-in-law here in Eugene, OR was scheduled for a hip replacement this coming Friday, but it was canceled indefinitely because of hospital overload.

    Hospitals are supposed to be full. That is the business model. I watched one of the linked “tent” stories and the tents were empty–waiting for wave that has already peaked. The only real problem area is near the Mexico border, where 40% of the illegal aliens are testing for Covid.

    Remember how bad the situation got in New York City, epicenter of Covid19, back before vaccines??  They had to bring in a medical navy ship in addition to the tents just to house all of the excess… umm… the … wait, what?

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  8. Flicker Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Last November we hit our peak COVID hospitalization in Wisconsin at 2,150. This was still not “full.” The worst I saw in one region of the state at peak was a 92% capacity.

    COVID hospitalizations are currently up, to about 600 from a July low of 80. (Obviously nowhere near last year’s peak.) And as you can see, this is nowhere near “full.” 95% of Wisconsin hospitals have an immediate bed availability.

    Data here.

    The case numbers are up — yep. The seven day average of COVID deaths for Wisconsin is still remarkably low, at about 2. And that is down from a brief jump in May. Otherwise, it’s been this low since March.

    What does the average “case” of COVID look like?

    Well, I assume it’s no longer a false positive.

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  9. Flicker Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    This news from Florida on CNBC–

    Hospital beds are filling up in the meantime, with 86% of in-patient beds in use compared with 74% nationwide as of Wednesday, according to data compiled by the Department of Health and Human Services. Across the U.S., roughly 10% of all hospital beds are being used to treat Covid patients, while nearly 28% of the beds in Florida are occupied by them — the highest of any state, the data shows.

    Is this because the only authorized covid therapy is in-patient use of IV therapeutics?

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  10. Gromrus Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    This news from Florida on CNBC–

    Hospital beds are filling up in the meantime, with 86% of in-patient beds in use compared with 74% nationwide as of Wednesday, according to data compiled by the Department of Health and Human Services. Across the U.S., roughly 10% of all hospital beds are being used to treat Covid patients, while nearly 28% of the beds in Florida are occupied by them — the highest of any state, the data shows.

    Is this because the only authorized covid therapy is in-patient use of IV therapeutics?

    They are sick and need oxygen and monitoring not just therapeutics. 

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  11. OldPhil Coolidge
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    Hammer, The (Ryan M) (View Comment):
    I’ll say it again.  I don’t really believe that this “wave” is any worse than anything that has happened over the past year and a half (during which our hospitals were not ever overwhelmed).  In my area, looking just at the graph of “cases,” the current wave has already peaked and is falling, and only ever got up to about 1/2 of the next largest peak.  Hospitalizations and deaths are nowhere even close to this winter or even last summer.

    In my state of Virginia, the highest 7-day moving averages happened in January 2021: 

    Cases 5,903 (1/4)

    Hospitalizations 135.1 (1/5)

    Deaths 83.71 (1/20)

    Current 7-day averages:

    Cases 1,743

    Hospitalizations 37.3

    Deaths 4.71

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  12. Headedwest Coolidge
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    I have saved many graphs like this. They don’t prove anything, but they do suggest that if the null hypothesis (H0) is that masks don’t help and the alternative hypothesis (H1) that masks help to prevent Covid infections, then 100% of the data I’ve seen show zero plausible support for H1.

    This isn’t a scientific study, but it is a mass experiment where the actual outcomes of people wearing masks (or not) can be compared to the alternative. It includes all the people who wear masks badly, but that’s part of the net effect in the population.

    So here’s Texas (no mask mandate for a while now) versus Hawaii (full nanny state rules):

    So when you write “masks work” I’m not inclined to read much farther because I know you haven’t looked at the overall mass data on mask usage.

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  13. Hammer, The (Ryan M) Inactive
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    I have saved many graphs like this. They don’t prove anything, but they do suggest that if the null hypothesis (H0) is that masks don’t help and the alternative hypothesis (H1) that masks help to prevent Covid infections, then 100% of the data I’ve seen show zero plausible support for H1.

    This isn’t a scientific study, but it is a mass experiment where the actual outcomes of people wearing masks (or not) can be compared to the alternative. It includes all the people who wear masks badly, but that’s part of the net effect in the population.

    So here’s Texas (no mask mandate for a while now) versus Hawaii (full nanny state rules):

    So when you write “masks work” I’m not inclined to read much farther because I know you haven’t looked at the overall mass data on mask usage.

    Exactly.

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  14. Flicker Coolidge
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    Gromrus (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    This news from Florida on CNBC–

    Hospital beds are filling up in the meantime, with 86% of in-patient beds in use compared with 74% nationwide as of Wednesday, according to data compiled by the Department of Health and Human Services. Across the U.S., roughly 10% of all hospital beds are being used to treat Covid patients, while nearly 28% of the beds in Florida are occupied by them — the highest of any state, the data shows.

    Is this because the only authorized covid therapy is in-patient use of IV therapeutics?

    They are sick and need oxygen and monitoring not just therapeutics.

    Oxygen is therapeutics.  And monitoring guides other therapeutics.  But they never got any therapeutics prior to being so sick that they needed hospitalization.

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  15. BDB Inactive
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    I have saved many graphs like this. They don’t prove anything, but they do suggest that if the null hypothesis (H0) is that masks don’t help and the alternative hypothesis (H1) that masks help to prevent Covid infections, then 100% of the data I’ve seen show zero plausible support for H1.

    This isn’t a scientific study, but it is a mass experiment where the actual outcomes of people wearing masks (or not) can be compared to the alternative. It includes all the people who wear masks badly, but that’s part of the net effect in the population.

    So here’s Texas (no mask mandate for a while now) versus Hawaii (full nanny state rules):

    So when you write “masks work” I’m not inclined to read much farther because I know you haven’t looked at the overall mass data on mask usage.

    This is magnificent.  When big-government shills do this, it’s called a “study”.

    As Dennis Prager likes (liked?  Been a while) to say, “Studies go one of two ways — they either confirm common sense — or they are wrong.”

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  16. MiMac Thatcher
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    David Carroll (View Comment):

    Do masks work? I follow the science (not just anecdotal reports), and not just the studies done during the pandemic.

    Association of American Physicians and Surgeons.

    Annals of Internal Medicine here and here.

    Swiss Policy Research journal.

    I hope you are better at reading legal journals than medical ones- if so STICK TO LAW.  You quote two untrustworthy  organizations (AAPS and SPR- SPR was formerly known as Swiss Propaganda Research!). The SPR article is a sham- I have parsed it in another thread on Ricochet if you care to search- the article would only make a good lining of a bird cage. Next you quote an article that has been retracted BY ITS AUTHORS (“our findings are uninterpretable”)  and then misunderstand the remaining article. The Danish study DID NOT SHOW MASKS DO NOT WORK. Anyone who makes that claim is either lying or is ignorant of the study. The study was “powered” to find a 50% reduction in infections with masks as respiratory protection- it did not find such a reduction- but if you care to actually read the study(which you evidently did not) you will find the following statement: “The data were compatible with lesser degrees of self-protection.” In fact the authors clearly state that masks could have reduced transmission by up to 46% according to their data. Additionally, the study did not evaluate masks as “source control” ie protecting others- which is thought to be the predominant way they work. Respiratory protection & source control are additive.

    As a conservative physician I looked into AAPS years ago and what I saw clearly dissuaded me from ever joining.

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  17. MiMac Thatcher
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Gromrus (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Do Masks Work?

    In sum, of the 14 RCTs [Randomized Controlled Trials] that have tested the effectiveness of masks in preventing the transmission of respiratory viruses, three suggest, but do not provide any statistically significant evidence in intention-to-treat analysis, that masks might be useful. The other eleven suggest that masks are either useless—whether compared with no masks or because they appear not to add to good hand hygiene alone—or actually counterproductive. Of the three studies that provided statistically significant evidence in intention-to-treat analysis that was not contradicted within the same study, one found that the combination of surgical masks and hand hygiene was less effective than hand hygiene alone, one found that the combination of surgical masks and hand hygiene was less effective than nothing, and one found that cloth masks were less effective than surgical masks.

    I tend to just look at the time period when virtually everyone was masked-up and locked-down to the max — November through February or so — and see that it turned out to be the absolute worst period for cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.

    The current estimated number of US active cases is 7 million. The peak number in January ’21 was ~9 million. The current mortality rate is much lower for multiple reasons which is fantastic. However, hospitals are full. This impacts everyone.

    Where is your proof that hospitals are full? Please give a hospital-by-hospital accounting throughout the United States. Take your time.

    Ok. My local hospital New Hanover Regional Medical Center had 93 COVID patients 2 days ago. 81 not vaccinated, 12 vaccinated. The ICUs are almost full. The nursing staff are burned out. Elective surgeries are currently cancelled.

    Our census is way up- zero COVID cases early June now we are at levels like last winter. 8 COVID deaths last week- 75% under age 60. Over 90% of admitted patents are unvaccinated.

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  18. Hammer, The (Ryan M) Inactive
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Gromrus (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Do Masks Work?

    In sum, of the 14 RCTs [Randomized Controlled Trials] that have tested the effectiveness of masks in preventing the transmission of respiratory viruses, three suggest, but do not provide any statistically significant evidence in intention-to-treat analysis, that masks might be useful. The other eleven suggest that masks are either useless—whether compared with no masks or because they appear not to add to good hand hygiene alone—or actually counterproductive. Of the three studies that provided statistically significant evidence in intention-to-treat analysis that was not contradicted within the same study, one found that the combination of surgical masks and hand hygiene was less effective than hand hygiene alone, one found that the combination of surgical masks and hand hygiene was less effective than nothing, and one found that cloth masks were less effective than surgical masks.

    I tend to just look at the time period when virtually everyone was masked-up and locked-down to the max — November through February or so — and see that it turned out to be the absolute worst period for cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.

    The current estimated number of US active cases is 7 million. The peak number in January ’21 was ~9 million. The current mortality rate is much lower for multiple reasons which is fantastic. However, hospitals are full. This impacts everyone.

    Where is your proof that hospitals are full? Please give a hospital-by-hospital accounting throughout the United States. Take your time.

    Ok. My local hospital New Hanover Regional Medical Center had 93 COVID patients 2 days ago. 81 not vaccinated, 12 vaccinated. The ICUs are almost full. The nursing staff are burned out. Elective surgeries are currently cancelled.

    Our census is way up- zero COVID cases early June now we are at levels like last winter. 8 COVID deaths last week- 75% under age 60. Over 90% of admitted patents are unvaccinated.

    Again, great news!  Get the vaccine and shut up.

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  19. J Climacus Member
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    A theory on what is going on: It has to do with a basic divide in this nation between the educated and the uneducated. To a gross simplification, the educated include middle and upperclass whites and all classes of Asians, the uneducated includes lower class whites and minorities. It turns out that behaviors associated with the uneducated classes – smoking and overeating among others – are also risk factors for covid. The fact that some educated whites do not get the vaccine is not really the problem (although more on this in a minute), because they can responsibly judge the risks and make a personal decision. If they are in good health and not obese they are unlikely to contribute to a tidal wave of hospital patients. If they are unhealthy and obese, they might very well, but they would also likely get the vaccine in such cases.

    The problem is that the uneducated classes are particularly vulnerable to covid, but also prone to refuse the vaccine irrationally. They might have succumbed to the decades of leftist propaganda that the government is out to get blacks and the vaccines are just another nefarious plot. Or they might not know anybody who got sick so they think they are invulnerable, even if they suffer from co-morbidities.

    It is the uneducated class that the covid propaganda campaign is aimed at. This is why it seems so simplistic,  unreasonable, and coercive to educated people. You don’t argue an uneducated person into a rational decision. By definition, he’s not capable of it. Instead, you modify his behavior. That is what the propaganda campaign is aimed at: Behavior modification. And to modify behavior you play on emotional triggers like fear and the desire to be part of the group. Thus the hyping of covid dangers, the suppression of established facts like the near-invulnerability of children to the disease, and the vilification of those not vaccinated.

    Educated people who do not get vaccinated are not a real problem medically since there are not many of them, but they pose a dangerous threat to the propaganda campaign because they provide cover to the uneducated. The fear campaign doesn’t really work if the uneducated find out that some of the educated aren’t buying it either.

    This is also why we hear nothing about vitamin D, or losing weight, or generally improving your health as part of the fight against covid. The fear is that any mention of vitamin D will lead the uneducated to treat it as a magic pill: “I took vitamin D, so I don’t need the vaccine, and can still smoke and eat donuts.” The uneducated need a simple message rammed home relentlessly if behavior modification is to succeed: It’s get the vaccine or face ostracism and possibly a painful death. 

    I don’t think the ruling elites are necessarily wrong in their analysis. But I’m not getting a vaccine just to support it.

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  20. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    J Climacus (View Comment):
    The problem is that the uneducated classes are particularly vulnerable to covid, but also prone to refuse the vaccine irrationally.

    The studies I’ve seen show that the vaccine-hesitant trend toward the well-educated and PhDs.

     

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  21. J Climacus Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):
    The problem is that the uneducated classes are particularly vulnerable to covid, but also prone to refuse the vaccine irrationally.

    The studies I’ve seen show that the vaccine-hesitant trend toward the well-educated and PhDs.

    I can’t quote the source here, but I thought the vax-hesitant included the highly educated and the lower classes. The vaccine compliant are the moderately educated. One thing for sure is the low rate of vaxxing among blacks, who are disproportionally obese. That’s a real problem for the powers that be: They’ve been telling blacks for decades not to trust the white power structure, when there is now a pandemic to which they are particularly vulnerable. I’d laugh at their predicament if it wasn’t actually causing people to needlessly suffer.

     

     

     

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  22. BDB Inactive
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    J Climacus (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):
    The problem is that the uneducated classes are particularly vulnerable to covid, but also prone to refuse the vaccine irrationally.

    The studies I’ve seen show that the vaccine-hesitant trend toward the well-educated and PhDs.

    I can’t quote the source here, but I thought the vax-hesitant included the highly educated and the lower classes. The vaccine compliant are the moderately educated. One thing for sure is the low rate of vaxxing among blacks, who are disproportionally obese. That’s a real problem for the powers that be: They’ve been telling blacks for decades not to trust the white power structure, when there is now a pandemic to which they are particularly vulnerable. I’d laugh at their predicament if it wasn’t actually causing people to needlessly suffer.

    I have seen this reported as well.  Can’t recall where.

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  23. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    @ArizonaPatriot

    Thanks for the post, Gromrus.  I have a question about vaccine efficacy.  You wrote:

    Gromrus: The COVID vaccines work as well. Thanks be to God, President Trump, and Operation Warp Speed that the vaccine rollout happened when it did and mitigated the worst phase of the COVID illness in Dec 2020 – Jan 2021. Daily new cases in the US peaked at ~308,000 around January 8. By mid-February, daily case rate was down to 65,000–an 80% drop–due to the vaccine. The need for boosters and lack of best understanding as to when those should be administered does not take away from vaccine efficacy.

    The figures that I see are a bit different, from Worldometer (here), but your statement about the general trend is accurate.  You may have been looking at individual days, while I look at the 7-day moving average.  The Worldometer data shows a peak of about 255,000 cases/day on Jan. 11, dropping as you indicate to about 65,000/day in mid-February, and dropping further to about 12,000/day in mid-June.

    But now it’s up to 139,000/day, despite widespread vaccination and despite natural immunity among the roughly 38 million reported to have had the disease.

    Is there an explanation for this?

    If the vaccines work, why are cases up so dramatically?

    Full disclosure — I’m pro-vaccination, and am vaccinated myself.  I am just puzzled about the latest spike in cases.

    I do have a suspicion that there may be a significant seasonal effect.  I analyzed the wave last summer (July-August 2020), and it seemed concentrated in the hot states.  I didn’t analyze the much larger winter wave, but I suspect that it was concentrated in the cold states.

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  24. Clifford A. Brown Member
    Clifford A. Brown
    @CliffordBrown

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    tuberculosis

    Nope.  Now drug resistant. Nor have we actually killed off polio. Indeed, only small pox was truly finished off. Because polio was not finished off, we face the risk of its reemergence, in a more virulent strain, out of the very terrain we just gave up to Pakistan’s radical Islamist shadow regime.

    • #84
  25. Clifford A. Brown Member
    Clifford A. Brown
    @CliffordBrown

    Gromrus (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Thanks for the post.

    My current covid-related grievance is that I have to wear a mask even though I am vaccinated (and delighted to be so!). Leaving aside the issue of proof, what is this about? If other people want to wear a mask and/or not get vaccinated that’s fine by me. If they get covid it’s their problem, not mine. I’d prefer to err on the side of each person taking responsibility for his own health and risk tolerance. The same question would apply to those who have already had covid. What benefit is gained from masks in those cases?

    I’m asking honestly. This has vexed me for some time. If the answer is that you could still transmit covid even if you have had it and/or have received the vaccination, then when would masks ever go away?

    Hospitals are having to add tents:

    https://www.wapt.com/article/second-field-hospital-opening-outside-ummc/37329830#

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/video/texas-hospital-turns-overflow-tents-delta-variant-fuels-79404801

    https://www.wbbjtv.com/2021/08/04/mobile-hospital-unit-helps-jackson-madison-county-general-hospital/

    Many hospitals are full but not adding tents.

    If hospitals are full then ERs are full with patients waiting for a bed. If you have a heart attack or trauma/wreck, your care will be delayed.

    Because hospitals are full, elective surgeries ( including elective procedures — some diagnostic) are being cancelled. Thus the current COVID surge, even if not fatal for most of those patients, potentially impacts all of us.

    If we all act like we might get or spread COVID right now we may help the situation.

    We got this same panic porn last year. Not buying the leftist lies and expert establishment exaggeration.

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  26. BDB Inactive
    BDB
    @BDB

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):
    We got this same panic porn last year. Not buying the leftist lies and expert establishment exageration.

    Yup.  The COVID nonsense is the majority of why I stopped watching the news at all early last year.

    • #86
  27. Clifford A. Brown Member
    Clifford A. Brown
    @CliffordBrown

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Modern medicine has taken an impressive array of scalps over the past century or so – smallpox, polio, measles, tuberculosis, even AIDS, just to name a few.

    Internet forums and YouTube videos have conquered no illnesses. Scoreboard shows a big goose egg for them.

    Just something to keep in mind.

    I suppose that’s true, but I don’t see the relevance here. The links above are not really akin to random people on social media.

    Fair enough. I should have been clearer that my main point is “Listen to your doctor. Don’t try to judge for yourself the quality of the information you find when it involves areas that require a great deal of expertise.”

    The same applies for areas beyond medicine. Studies are out there that support all kinds of conclusions, even ones conducted by doctors and well meaning experts. But they may still be flawed or lead people to the wrong conclusions.

    The extensive medical education they receive, the lengthy training, the continuing education, the practical experience of treating patients – all of those things provide doctors with a filtering mechanism for this information that laymen don’t have. Let that filter work.

    Except that the medical “profession” is now just as  politicized as the social sciences. See the nonsense from the AMA and APA. And clinicians dare not officially vary from government mandated stances, as they will otherwise not be paid by the government or “private” insurance.

    • #87
  28. hoowitts Coolidge
    hoowitts
    @hoowitts

    Gromrus: Before the vaccines were available, we were protected by nothing but masks and we did not get COVID. Masks work at decreasing the spread of COVID and other respiratory illnesses. Masks — regular old surgical masks — are all that most people providing care to COVID patients in the hospital wear.

    This statement seems logically incongruous with historical mask science and recommendations, at least in the western world. We are blessed that COVID-19 does not decimate our children, certainly not as pernicious as seasonal influenza which typically kills thousands every year. So it seems I am faced with one of two conclusions on masking with cloth or surgical paper masks:

    1. Either we’ve been correct on ‘mask science’ and known for decades that masking children in schools is unnecessary, ineffective and quite harmful in any number of psychological and social development areas. See Dr. Fauci’s original statement on masking 3/8/2020, which reflected this truth.

    OR

    2. Physicians, CDC, NIAID and other sundry experts have been derelict in their duties and masks should have been required by children and schools since…well I don’t know, since when? Maybe someone can enlighten me: if masks are this effective, why hasn’t this been the standard protocol in schools for ‘regular flu’, it being a serious respiratory illness? 

    This doesn’t necessarily question motivations, even though there is strong anecdotal evidence to do so. It does however beg the question: what significant insights were made in the months immediately following Dr. Fauci’s proclamation against masking that now seemingly contradict decades of masking recommendations? 

    • #88
  29. MiMac Thatcher
    MiMac
    @MiMac

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Gromrus (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Thanks for the post.

    My current covid-related grievance is that I have to wear a mask even though I am vaccinated (and delighted to be so!). Leaving aside the issue of proof, what is this about? If other people want to wear a mask and/or not get vaccinated that’s fine by me. If they get covid it’s their problem, not mine. I’d prefer to err on the side of each person taking responsibility for his own health and risk tolerance. The same question would apply to those who have already had covid. What benefit is gained from masks in those cases?

    I’m asking honestly. This has vexed me for some time. If the answer is that you could still transmit covid even if you have had it and/or have received the vaccination, then when would masks ever go away?

    Hospitals are having to add tents:

    https://www.wapt.com/article/second-field-hospital-opening-outside-ummc/37329830#

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/video/texas-hospital-turns-overflow-tents-delta-variant-fuels-79404801

    https://www.wbbjtv.com/2021/08/04/mobile-hospital-unit-helps-jackson-madison-county-general-hospital/

    Many hospitals are full but not adding tents.

    If hospitals are full then ERs are full with patients waiting for a bed. If you have a heart attack or trauma/wreck, your care will be delayed.

    Because hospitals are full, elective surgeries ( including elective procedures — some diagnostic) are being cancelled. Thus the current COVID surge, even if not fatal for most of those patients, potentially impacts all of us.

    If we all act like we might get or spread COVID right now we may help the situation.

    We got this same panic porn last year. Not buying the leftist lies and expert establishment exaggeration.

    It is not panic porn when hospitals defer elective procedures- which are the cash cows for medical centers. The COVID pandemic has severely hurt the bottom line of many hospitals- the conspiracy nuts like to cite the increased Medicare reimbursement for COVID diagnosis but fail to understand that sick Medicare patients are money LOSERS particularly when they displace a private pay patient who would have had a procedure that generates a large margin over costs.

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  30. Charlotte Member
    Charlotte
    @Charlotte

    Re #89 above — I’m not sure how my comment got into the mix. None of the replies was directed at me or addresses the points I was asking about.

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