Vaccine Passports Hurt the Very People They’re Claiming to Help

 

Everyone has to get vaccinated in order to protect the herd: those who cannot get vaccinated. Kids and the immunocompromised unable to get vaccinated need everyone around them to be vaccinated to create a firewall of protection against infection.

Okay, I’m with you there. It’s common sense.

But in come the vaccine mandates and passports, which have sprung up around the country. In New York City, if you’re unvaccinated, you can’t do anything indoors for pleasure: museums, entertainment, restaurants, etc. Guess who are locked out? In addition to those who could theoretically get vaccinated and choose not to for a myriad of reasons, both logical and not, are those kids and immunocompromised people.

Hardline vaccine advocates pushing these mandates and passports claim to be enacting these policies under the guise of protecting people who can’t get vaccinated. But in the process, they’re shutting them out of public life and turning them into pariahs.

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  1. KevinKrisher Inactive
    KevinKrisher
    @KevinKrisher

    Well put, Bethany. The message is simply “We will cause you pain until you conform.” But of course it will be thinly veiled with euphemisms.

    Here’s another bit of common sense: As soon as the vaccines became widely available, COVID ceased to be a public health problem – i.e., a health problem that could be primarily addressed by dealing with populations rather than individuals. The pandemic is still a problem, but it is an individual health problem that is subject to individuals’ calculations of risk versus reward.

    Yet, many government officials insist on continuing to treat COVID as a public health problem. As a public health guy, this is a mystery to me.

    And here’s one more thought: It is a difference in mere degree, not a difference in kind, between saying “We are prepared to force you to stay out of here if you are unvaccinated” and saying “We are prepared to make you submit to forced vaccination.” You can bet that someone is thinking about how to do that.

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  2. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    If Vaccines work, then you don’t need passports to protect vaccinated people from the unvaccinated. 

    If Vaccines don’t work, then you don’t need passports, because being vaccinated people are not protected from the unvaccinated. 

    There is no logical sense in mandating passports, other than to bully people into getting vaccinated. 

    Hardline Vaccinators are tyrants who think they have a right to make others live as they say. These are the same people who great mask mandates and no contact orders and violate them. 

     

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  3. Graham Witt Coolidge
    Graham Witt
    @hoowitts

    Help me out here @bethanymandel and maybe this is a matter of semantics, but I think not. Am I to understand when you use the term ‘unvaccinated’ you (or they) are not including acquired immunity? @drewinwisconsin expressed this discouragement – I must agree. Acquired immunity is ‘old-school’ science, but then again so is gravity. Even the peacocking CDC confirms a burden factor of 4x detected cases have already recovered from natural immunity.

    You get my full-throated support from a liberty and discrimination standpoint vis-a-vis vaccine passports and shaming the unvaccinated. Don’t do either! But are we overlooking the gorilla in the room by not pressing the facts behind durable and robust acquired immunity? By the statistical model, herd immunity has been reached but that has never meant zero future infections. Shouldn’t this be our anti-passport, anti-discrimination argument?

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  4. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    One of those old-school Democrats who I enjoy reading:

    “Vaccine Hesitancy” Is A Class Issue

    What I really like about this email is that it cuts through all the typical narrative gamesmanship and lands on something — spurred by this person’s direct personal experience — that has been largely unremarked upon in the whole “vaccine hesitancy” debate. If getting the vaccine burnishes your place within a corporate hierarchy, or some other institutional hierarchy of which you are apart, then of course you’re going to be more likely to get the vaccine.

    But if you have essentially no hope of ascending a corporate/institutional hierarchy, and little investment in your “corporate culture” at all — because you ultimately experience it as a menial job to make ends meet — then of course you’re going to be less likely to get the vaccine. Makes total sense. Thus, “vaccine hesitancy” would seem to correlate with the strength of one’s institutional attachments.

    Put another way, if you’re highly attached to an institution that prioritizes vaccination, then the effect on your uptake behavior is obvious. If you have no strong attachment to whatever institution you exist within — or even disdain said institution — then the behavioral effects are similarly obvious. You might even decline vaccination as a subtle “F you” to that institution.

    This, of course, directly correlates to the lack of trust in our institutions in general. In a low-trust society — which is what we have become — why would we suddenly begin to trust the same people gaslighting us so thoroughly for several years when they talk about vaccine passports or mandates?

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  5. Graham Witt Coolidge
    Graham Witt
    @hoowitts

    Hot off the wire – CDC report that acquired immunity may not be as robust as vaccinated immunity. Haven’t delved deeply into report yet but will certainly be a passport talking point.

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  6. I Walton Member
    I Walton
    @IWalton

    It’s a conspiracy among the mindless, the aggressively political, and folks at the top who figure, probably correctly, that all central controls benefits them.  The uncertainty is how much the Chinese are behind it.

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  7. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Graham Witt (View Comment):

    Hot off the wire – CDC report that acquired immunity may not be as robust as vaccinated immunity. Haven’t delved deeply into report yet but will certainly be a passport talking point.

    Would like to see their data on that. I suspect they’re lying.

    https://amgreatness.com/2021/08/05/johns-hopkins-professor-says-covid-infection-provides-more-immunity-than-vaccines/

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/despite-faucis-assertions-israeli-data-indicate-natural-immunity-6x-greater-than-achieved-from-the-jab/

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cleveland-clinic-previous-covid-infection-vaccine-no-benefit/

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2

     

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  8. Graham Witt Coolidge
    Graham Witt
    @hoowitts

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Graham Witt (View Comment):

    Hot off the wire – CDC report that acquired immunity may not be as robust as vaccinated immunity. Haven’t delved deeply into report yet but will certainly be a passport talking point.

    Would like to see their data on that. I suspect they’re lying.

    https://amgreatness.com/2021/08/05/johns-hopkins-professor-says-covid-infection-provides-more-immunity-than-vaccines/

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/despite-faucis-assertions-israeli-data-indicate-natural-immunity-6x-greater-than-achieved-from-the-jab/

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cleveland-clinic-previous-covid-infection-vaccine-no-benefit/

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2

     

    First impression on CDC report- Kentucky only & has its own paragraph on limitations. I would like to see more but that won’t stop the corporate press from over-selling. @drewinwisconsin sources match mine: the overwhelming evidence shows acquired immunity is quite sufficient

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  9. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Graham Witt (View Comment):
    First impression on CDC report- Kentucky only & has its own paragraph on limitations.

    Yeah, I noticed that, too.

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  10. Doctor Robert Member
    Doctor Robert
    @DoctorRobert

    Graham Witt (View Comment):

    Hot off the wire – CDC report that acquired immunity may not be as robust as vaccinated immunity. Haven’t delved deeply into report yet but will certainly be a passport talking point.

    Yes, but it’s not a very convincing paper.  It does not answer the fundamental question.  What is the likelihood of re-infection in untreated Covid survivors versus Covid survivors who then take the experimental gene therapy?

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  11. Roderic Reagan
    Roderic
    @rhfabian

    The majority of Americans do not support vaccine passports for essential activities in a Leger360 poll. 

    Democrats are more likely to support vaccine mandates than Republicans. 

    There is more support for vaccine passports for things like flying and attending large, crowded events than for things like eating in a restaurant or working.

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