‘Science Is the Belief in the Ignorance of Experts’

 

Whenever I see the term “expert”, I think of Richard Feynman’s (Feynman is a brilliant Nobel Prize winner in Physics) National Science Teachers speech in 1966:

We have many studies in teaching, for example, in which people make observations, make lists, do statistics, and so on, but these do not thereby become established science, established knowledge. They are merely an imitative form of science analogous to the South Sea Islanders’ airfields–radio towers, etc., made out of wood. The islanders expect a great airplane to arrive. They even build wooden airplanes of the same shape as they see in the foreigners’ airfields around them, but strangely enough, their wood planes do not fly. The result of this pseudoscientific imitation is to produce experts, which many of you are. [But] you teachers, who are really teaching children at the bottom of the heap, can maybe doubt the experts. As a matter of fact, I can also define science another way: Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts.

The linked article talks about a tweet by Paul Graham which states:

If you think you don’t trust scientists, you’re mistaken. You trust scientists in a million different ways every time you step on a plane, or for that matter turn on your tap or open a can of beans. The fact that you’re unaware of this doesn’t mean it’s not so.

Well, no. You “trust” engineers, and all the people in the chain that built and tested the many thousands of components in the aircraft, the mental health and competence of the pilots, ATC, other pilots, the people that produced the fuel … a nearly infinite chain of trust. Or, basically, you are taking a “leap” that isn’t really “faith” because most have not thought about any of this. Nor should you really, because a life that can actually be lived is based on all sorts of unconscious assumptions.

It would be very good however if many more people were aware that we all live by faith (usually unconscious), all the time. If more people realized that, we would likely be somewhat kinder to others.

“Science” is a method, a tool. It makes hypotheses and tests them. Very few of the people in that long chain to your flight were “scientists”. They were “experts” in some sort of discipline generally blindly following the “rules” (standard procedures) of that discipline.

In this world, the “experts” are imperfect and often fail. The passengers on the 737 Max trusted the chain of “experts” and the chain failed. The list of “expert failures” is endless … in these times it often starts with the Titanic. My favorite example is Trofim Lysenko whose “expertise” combined with political ideology resulted in millions of deaths.

Do the “experts” creating and pushing the new mRNA vaccine know what they are doing? We certainly hope and pray that they do. We do know that pushing a new technology to millions of people has significant risk. In software, we say “never take the first release.” Even in cars, many people want to wait a bit on a new model because there is a good deal of evidence there will be one or more “recalls,” some of which may be significantly dangerous.

The real world is often harsher to the new technology than the theories, early testing, and politics hoped it would be.

So before you “trust the science,” be aware that what you are trusting is the bureaucratic system that decided on “Operation Warp Speed” and decided that they had to roll out the vaccine quickly. Fortunately, there were only seven people on the Challenger when it “had to launch” on the cold morning of January 28, 1986.

Interestingly, Feynman was the person that discovered the technical cause of the Challenger Disaster.

The root cause was believing in “experts” (rather than understanding their ignorance), and the application of those beliefs by a bureaucracy to the launch decision.

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  1. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Stina (View Comment):
    I have doctors testifying to increase in miscarriages.

    Then these women are receiving the vaccine against CDC guidelines. Why are their doctors giving them the vaccine??? They should sue for malpractice.

    We should really stop attributing bad motives to people we don’t know and some we do. I didn’t take the vaccine because I trust the government or greedy men. I took it because I have enough hospital experience to know I don’t want to end up there! Or my family either. And I’ve learned enough about how the mRNA vaccine works (and mRNA immunotherapy cured my sister-in-law of melanoma) that I judged the benefits to outweigh the risks. I’m fine with it if you judge differently and I do not believe you should be vilified for not taking the vaccine. 

    I agree with Ben and Megyn:

     

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  2. Flicker Coolidge
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    It is possible that the quotes from priests that you are looking for don’t exist. I wouldn’t get too enamored with this “African Globe” website. When I followed the links to their articles, they looked very suspicious, so I did a little digging.

    It looks like the “African Globe” has hardly any Internet footprint at all. There is not a trace of anything about the site written by them or by others, except for a list of its articles. It seems like a blog by somebody who assembles articles from different people. Some articles are not credited. The only author who pens multiple articles is a guy named Lucius Gantt who was once arrested for beating a cop in Tallahassee, Florida. If you look at some of their articles you will see that the site espouses Critical Race Theory, the omnipresence of White Supremacy, Reparations, the demonization of Trump and conservatives in general, and rails against police. It claims that murder by police is a leading cause of death for Black men and boys. It also proposes that Jimi Hendrix was killed by the U.S. government and the mafia.

    Oh, the surprises of the Internet!

    Well, I certainly haven’t bookmarked the African Globe.  And it does seem schlocky.  But as for a site being popular, for example, I used to be embarrassed about reading ZeroHedge until I a couple of times when I ran into people who were smart, educated and well-employed who I mentioned the site to, making apologies that it was a “conspiracy” web site, and with each one there was a weird quiet moment before each guy said that he too read ZeroHedge and they each seemed surprised that anyone else did.  ZeroHedge does in recent years have articles from sites that, for example, when you look at the editors and contributors they seem like straight up Russian propaganda sites.  You have to weight the probability of any article being accurate.  Anywhere.

    I wouldn’t believe that there was a Soros foundation or a WEF or a Great Reset (it’s just so outlandish) if I hadn’t seen interviews with Soros and with Klaus Schwab on some obscure sites.  And the subject of the contraception vaccine and Gates’ and his decades of connections (for example, with Ghislaine Maxwell) and his truly crazy comments (like when he said on video — in a presentation to the DHS or something like that — that he was working on a vaccine to shut down the religious belief center in the brain in order to fight “fundamentalist extremism”) is not mainstream Press material.

    What I do is evaluate a site by its content.  And African Globe seems credible at least in this topic, and it’s the only topic I’ve bothered to look for on it.

    But anyway, that’s why I cited the NIH and scirp.  They appear more professional and approved.

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  3. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

     

    Oh, by the way, Gates is involved in the hCG spiked tetanus vaccines. And I have looked for the past year for the interviews with quotes of the priests who first became suspicious and the details of the testing process that were used, and how and when, but I haven’t been able to find it,

    Per the African Globe site:

    It is possible that the quotes from priests that you are looking for don’t exist. I wouldn’t get too enamored with this “African Globe” website. When I followed the links to their articles, they looked very suspicious, so I did a little digging.

    It looks like the “African Globe” has hardly any Internet footprint at all. There is not a trace of anything about the site written by them or by others, except for a list of its articles. It seems like a blog by somebody who assembles articles from different people. Some articles are not credited. The only author who pens multiple articles is a guy named Lucius Gantt who was once arrested for beating a cop in Tallahassee, Florida. If you look at some of their articles you will see that the site espouses Critical Race Theory, the omnipresence of White Supremacy, Reparations, the demonization of Trump and conservatives in general, and rails against police. It claims that murder by police is a leading cause of death for Black men and boys. It also proposes that Jimi Hendrix was killed by the U.S. government and the mafia.

    Oh, the surprises of the Internet!

    @flicker

    Here is a published paper from 2017 that details how Kenyan women were lured into being injected with a vaccine for the supposed purpose to prevent neo natal tetanus, when the purpose of the vaccine was actually to be an abortificant and cause the pregnant women to miscarry:

    file:///C:/Users/trued/AppData/Local/Temp/HCGfoundinWHOTetanusVaccineinKenya.pdf

    This first came to light in 2014, and at the time, was widely discussed  in many outlets. However these days Google and almost all the search engines now promote only those articles favorable to the idea that nothing nasty has ever befallen humanity from any injection ever, so it is hard now to get “real” links to “real” media. But the reality of that vaccine program was as detailed in this published paper. And the Catholic Church spent some time attempting to chastise the company that had created this vaccine as well  The WHO, the org behind it.

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  4. Steven Seward Member
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

     

    Oh, by the way, Gates is involved in the hCG spiked tetanus vaccines. And I have looked for the past year for the interviews with quotes of the priests who first became suspicious and the details of the testing process that were used, and how and when, but I haven’t been able to find it,

    Per the African Globe site:

    It is possible that the quotes from priests that you are looking for don’t exist. I wouldn’t get too enamored with this “African Globe” website. When I followed the links to their articles, they looked very suspicious, so I did a little digging.

    It looks like the “African Globe” has hardly any Internet footprint at all. There is not a trace of anything about the site written by them or by others, except for a list of its articles. It seems like a blog by somebody who assembles articles from different people. Some articles are not credited. The only author who pens multiple articles is a guy named Lucius Gantt who was once arrested for beating a cop in Tallahassee, Florida. If you look at some of their articles you will see that the site espouses Critical Race Theory, the omnipresence of White Supremacy, Reparations, the demonization of Trump and conservatives in general, and rails against police. It claims that murder by police is a leading cause of death for Black men and boys. It also proposes that Jimi Hendrix was killed by the U.S. government and the mafia.

    Oh, the surprises of the Internet!

    @ flicker

    Here is a published paper from 2017 that details how Kenyan women were lured into being injected with a vaccine for the supposed purpose to prevent neo natal tetanus, when the purpose of the vaccine was actually to be an abortificant and cause the pregnant women to miscarry:

    file:///C:/Users/trued/AppData/Local/Temp/HCGfoundinWHOTetanusVaccineinKenya.pdf

    This first came to light in 2014, and at the time, was widely discussed in many outlets. However these days Google and almost all the search engines now promote only those articles favorable to the idea that nothing nasty has ever befallen humanity from any injection ever, so it is hard now to get “real” links to “real” media. But the reality of that vaccine program was as detailed in this published paper. And the Catholic Church spent some time attempting to chastise the company that had created this vaccine as well The WHO, the org behind it.

    Something went wrong with your link because an error message comes up when I click on it.

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  5. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

     

    SNIP

    SNIP

    SNIP

    @ oldbathos

     

    As far as COVID infections and their stats in terms of numbers of cases:

    Have you been following Old Bathos’ accounts of seasonal flu realities?

    The flu starts out in the autumn, trends upwards in terms of numbers of cases across the nation between late Nov and early February and then starts to dissipate. You may still fund the flu hitting a bit more in colder regions, like MN, the Dakotas, Montana, Idaho, et al, even until late April.

    In the summer, nary a flu case.

    Which I could remember the doctor’s name, he lives in Idaho and has done local presentations about the direct correlations between the flu and vitamin D levels. He has expanded his thesis to include COVID. His thesis is once cold weather hits, most people are indoors more than being outside.

    Vit D levels then plunge and then the flu starts to have an impact. When people are back outside – the flu diminishes.

    SNIP

    As far as the statistic regarding the 45,000 deaths, I follow the legal aspects of the COVID situation.

    So do many other individuals intent on getting the truth. So it is not surprising that Drs Malone, Merritt, Simone Gold, Peter McCullpough and others are praising Tom Renz for his filing of a major lawsuit in Fed court in Alabama.

    The suit charges that unknown to most in the public, the government has created an internal adverse event reporting system.

    End Of Part One

    I’m not interested in legal aspects of the Covid situation. I’m interested in how you came up with 45,000 people dying as a result of the vaccine.

     

    First of all, I came up with nothing. I tried to explain this to you. The government created an alternative reporting system for COVID adverse effects and for fatalities. This was done on the QT, but someone let attorney Tom Renz know about it.

    https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/19/vaers-whistleblower-45000-dead-from-covid-19-vaccines-within-3-days-sparks-lawsuit-against-federal-government/

    Thomas Renz, SNIP started a lawsuit against the federal government for covering up the true number of deaths from the Covid-19 vaccines. According to Renz, a whistle-blower SNIP has seen information on the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) and passed on the numbers and relevant information to him.

    At an event by Awaken America, Renz said: “We have someone who has sworn under penalty of perjury that there have been at least 45,000 deaths.” Renz stated that whilst he cannot currently prove the information, he said that along with America’s Frontline Doctors  he has  filed the lawsuit in Alabama.

    Allegedly, the whistleblower stated there are 11 VAERS systems reporting adverse reactions & deaths across the US, and one system alone has allegedly has reported the shocking 45,000 deaths from the Covid jabs.

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  6. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

     

    Carol Joy, I say this without any animus because I find you to be a very likeable person (online, at least). Sometimes you put out really wild assertions that don’t seem to jive with anything resembling reality. I’ll reduce this one to its basic premise and ask for clarification. You are saying that the vaxes are worthless. Yet how can you dispute this elementary graph of deaths in the U.S.?

    The vaccinations started right at the top of that second peak on the graph. Death rates have fallen precipitously since then (with a minor uptick in the last two weeks). How can you possibly dispute that?

    The other part is “where are you getting this figure that 45,000 people have died from taking the vaccine?” There is not a single reliable news source, either on the left or on the right, that is reporting that even a few dozen people have died from the vaccines. Such a story, if it was true, would be an invaluable scoop worth tons of money for any news agency that exposes it, and yet somehow they are totally silent.

    SNIP

    @ oldbathos

     

    As far as COVID infections and their stats in terms of numbers of cases:

    Have you been following Old Bathos’ accounts of seasonal flu realities?

    The flu starts out in the autumn, trends upwards in terms of numbers of cases across the nation between late Nov and early February and then starts to dissipate. You may still fund the flu hitting a bit more in colder regions, like MN, the Dakotas, Montana, Idaho, et al, even until late April.

    In the summer, nary a flu case.

    Which I could remember the doctor’s name, he lives in Idaho and has done local presentations about the direct correlations between the flu and vitamin D levels. He has expanded his thesis to include COVID. His thesis is once cold weather hits, most people are indoors more than being outside.

    Vit D levels then plunge and then the flu starts to have an impact. When people are back outside – the flu diminishes.

    What do seasonal flu patterns have to do with how effective the Covid vaccines are?

    Seasonal flu patterns must be considered when analyzing the statistics of an infection that is seasonal. Any corona virus peaks over the winter and dies down over Spring and Summer.

    That is infectious diseases of North America 101.

    Sorry that you are not that up on basic science…

    You can check out the articles that “Old Bathos” posted on the seasonality of the corona virus known as COVID at http://ricochet.com/members/OldBathos

     

     

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  7. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

     

    Oh, by the way, Gates is involved in the hCG spiked tetanus vaccines. SNIP 

    Per the African Globe site:

    It is possible that the quotes from priests that you are looking for don’t exist. I wouldn’t get too enamored with this “African Globe” website. When I followed the links to their articles, they looked very suspicious, so I did a little digging.

    It looks like the “African Globe” has hardly any Internet footprint at all. SNIP

    SNIP 

    @ flicker

    Here is a published paper from 2017 that details how Kenyan women were lured into being injected with vaccines for the supposed purpose to prevent neo natal tetanus, when the purpose of the vaccine was actually to be an abortificant and cause the pregnant women to miscarry:

    file:///C:/Users/trued/AppData/Local/Temp/HCGfoundinWHOTetanusVaccineinKenya.pdf

    This first came to light in 2014, and at the time, was widely discussed in many outlets. However these days Google and almost all the search engines now promote only those articles favorable to the idea that nothing nasty has ever befallen humanity from any injection ever, so it is hard now to get “real” links to “real” media. SNIP  And the Catholic Church spent some time attempting to chastise the company that had created this vaccine as well The WHO, the org behind it.

    Something went wrong with your link because an error message comes up when I click on it.

     

     

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12346214/
    Vaccine Wkly

    . 1995 May 29 – Jun 5;9-10.
    Tetanus vaccine may be laced with anti-fertility drug. International / developing countries
    No authors listed

    PMID: 12346214

    Abstract

    PIP: A priest, president of Human Life International (HLI) based in Maryland, has asked Congress to investigate reports of women in some developing countries unknowingly receiving a tetanus vaccine laced with the anti-fertility drug human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG).

    If it is true, he wants Congress to publicly condemn the mass vaccinations and to cut off funding to UN agencies and other involved organizations. The natural hormone hCG is needed to maintain pregnancy. The hormone would produce antibodies against hCG to prevent pregnancy.

    In the fall of 1994, the Pro Life Committee of Mexico was suspicious of the protocols for the tetanus toxoid campaign because they excluded all males and children and called for multiple injections of the vaccine in only women of reproductive age. SNIP The Committee had vials of the tetanus vaccine analyzed for hCG. It informed HLI about the tetanus toxoid vaccine.

    HLI then told its World Council members and HLI affiliates in 60 countries. Similar tetanus vaccines laced with hCG were uncovered in the Philippines and in Nicaragua. SNIP  The priest objects that, if indeed the purpose of the mass vaccinations is to prevent pregnancies, women are uninformed, unsuspecting, and unconsenting victims.

    One other source:

    https://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/11/13/catholic-doctors-and-priests-versus-the-tetanus-vaccine-in-kenya

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  8. Steven Seward Member
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

     

    I’m not interested in legal aspects of the Covid situation. I’m interested in how you came up with 45,000 people dying as a result of the vaccine.

     

    First of all, I came up with nothing. I tried to explain this to you. The government created an alternative reporting system for COVID adverse effects and for fatalities. This was done on the QT, but someone let attorney Tom Renz know about it.

    https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/19/vaers-whistleblower-45000-dead-from-covid-19-vaccines-within-3-days-sparks-lawsuit-against-federal-government/

    Thomas Renz, SNIP started a lawsuit against the federal government for covering up the true number of deaths from the Covid-19 vaccines. According to Renz, a whistle-blower SNIP has seen information on the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) and passed on the numbers and relevant information to him.

    At an event by Awaken America, Renz said: “We have someone who has sworn under penalty of perjury that there have been at least 45,000 deaths.” Renz stated that whilst he cannot currently prove the information, he said that along with America’s Frontline Doctors he has filed the lawsuit in Alabama.

    Allegedly, the whistleblower stated there are 11 VAERS systems reporting adverse reactions & deaths across the US, and one system alone has allegedly has reported the shocking 45,000 deaths from the Covid jabs.

    Carol, this is just some lawyer who said that somebody anonymously told him that there are 45,000 deaths from the vaccines.  The story even admits that there is no way to prove this.  Do you know how many “anonymous sources” swore that Trump colluded with Russia?  I hate to see you get taken in by stuff like this.

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  9. Steven Seward Member
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    What do seasonal flu patterns have to do with how effective the Covid vaccines are?

    Seasonal flu patterns must be considered when analyzing the statistics of an infection that is seasonal. Any corona virus peaks over the winter and dies down over Spring and Summer.

    That is infectious diseases of North America 101.

    Sorry that you are not that up on basic science…

    You can check out the articles that “Old Bathos” posted on the seasonality of the corona virus known as COVID at http://ricochet.com/members/OldBathos

    You still haven’t told me what the seasonal flu patterns have to do with how effective the Covid vaccines are.  You are just telling  me that the flu goes up in Winter and down in Summer.  Everybody already knows that.  Please explain it’s relevance to the effectiveness of vaccines.

     

     

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  10. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

     

    Oh, by the way, Gates is involved in the hCG spiked tetanus vaccines. SNIP 

    Per the African Globe site:

    It is possible that the quotes from priests that you are looking for don’t exist. I wouldn’t get too enamored with this “African Globe” website. When I followed the links to their articles, they looked very suspicious, so I did a little digging.

    It looks like the “African Globe” has hardly any Internet footprint at all. SNIP 

    @ flicker

    Here is a published paper from 2017 that details how Kenyan women were lured into being injected with a vaccine for the supposed purpose to prevent neo natal tetanus, when the purpose of the vaccine was actually to be an abortificant and cause the pregnant women to miscarry:

    file:///C:/Users/trued/AppData/Local/Temp/HCGfoundinWHOTetanusVaccineinKenya.pdf

    This first came to light in 2014, and at the time, was widely discussed in many outlets. However these days Google  SNIP now promote only those articles favorable to the idea that nothing nasty has ever befallen humanity from any injection ever, so it is hard now to get “real” links to “real” media. SNIP 

    Something went wrong with your link because an error message comes up when I click on it.

    Anyway sorry that link went weird. Here are 2 more articles:

    https://thenewamerican.com/doctors-un-vaccines-in-kenya-used-to-sterilize-women/

    Less than a year after the UN unveiled a sweeping population-control plot aimed at reducing the number of Kenyans, a supposed UN “vax program” is under fire by doctors & Catholic bishops for deliberately sterilizing millions of women. The explosive revelations were released after med researchers and the Church found a sterilization agent in tetanus inoculations being foisted on Kenyan women by two UN agencies SNIP  

    SNIP “The unfortunate truth is that the vaccine was laced with sterilizing agent HCG like the one used in South American cases,” Dr. Wahome Ngare told the Catholic doctors group that  exposed the scheme after test results came back positive. “Further, none of the girls and women given the vax were informed of its contraceptive effect.”

    According to the organization and other med experts, the hCG found in the UN tetanus vaccines causes women’s bodies to develop an immune response to attack the hormone, which is essential to pregnancy. So, when a woman who has received the UN shots gets pregnant, her body fights the crucial hCG — resulting in the death of the unborn child in the womb. Eventually, the supposed inoculations — pushed on Kenyan women by the UN under the guise of “preventing neo-natal tetanus” — result in permanent sterility after multiple doses. All six UN vaccine samples collected from around Kenya tested positive for the hCG antigen at independent laboratories, researchers said.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320641479_HCG_Found_in_WHO_Tetanus_Vaccine_in_Kenya_Raises_Concern_in_the_Developing_World

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  11. Steven Seward Member
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Here is a published paper from 2017 that details how Kenyan women were lured into being injected with a vaccine for the supposed purpose to prevent neo natal tetanus, when the purpose of the vaccine was actually to be an abortificant and cause the pregnant women to miscarry:

    file:///C:/Users/trued/AppData/Local/Temp/HCGfoundinWHOTetanusVaccineinKenya.pdf

    This first came to light in 2014, and at the time, was widely discussed in many outlets. However these days Google SNIP now promote only those articles favorable to the idea that nothing nasty has ever befallen humanity from any injection ever, so it is hard now to get “real” links to “real” media. SNIP

    Something went wrong with your link because an error message comes up when I click on it.

    Anyway sorry that link went weird. Here are 2 more articles:

    https://thenewamerican.com/doctors-un-vaccines-in-kenya-used-to-sterilize-women/

    Less than a year after the UN unveiled a sweeping population-control plot aimed at reducing the number of Kenyans, a supposed UN “vax program” is under fire by doctors & Catholic bishops for deliberately sterilizing millions of women. The explosive revelations were released after med researchers and the Church found a sterilization agent in tetanus inoculations being foisted on Kenyan women by two UN agencies SNIP

    SNIP “The unfortunate truth is that the vaccine was laced with sterilizing agent HCG like the one used in South American cases,” Dr. Wahome Ngare told the Catholic doctors group that exposed the scheme after test results came back positive. “Further, none of the girls and women given the vax were informed of its contraceptive effect.”

    According to the organization and other med experts, the hCG found in the UN tetanus vaccines causes women’s bodies to develop an immune response to attack the hormone, which is essential to pregnancy. So, when a woman who has received the UN shots gets pregnant, her body fights the crucial hCG — resulting in the death of the unborn child in the womb. Eventually, the supposed inoculations — pushed on Kenyan women by the UN under the guise of “preventing neo-natal tetanus” — result in permanent sterility after multiple doses. All six UN vaccine samples collected from around Kenya tested positive for the hCG antigen at independent laboratories, researchers said.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320641479_HCG_Found_in_WHO_Tetanus_Vaccine_in_Kenya_Raises_Concern_in_the_Developing_World

    I guess if they are surreptitiously inserting sterilization drugs into vaccines in Africa, that is very bad.

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  12. Miffed White Male Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Here is a published paper from 2017 that details how Kenyan women were lured into being injected with a vaccine for the supposed purpose to prevent neo natal tetanus, when the purpose of the vaccine was actually to be an abortificant and cause the pregnant women to miscarry:

    file:///C:/Users/trued/AppData/Local/Temp/HCGfoundinWHOTetanusVaccineinKenya.pdf

    This first came to light in 2014, and at the time, was widely discussed in many outlets. However these days Google SNIP now promote only those articles favorable to the idea that nothing nasty has ever befallen humanity from any injection ever, so it is hard now to get “real” links to “real” media. SNIP

    Something went wrong with your link because an error message comes up when I click on it.

    Anyway sorry that link went weird. Here are 2 more articles:

    https://thenewamerican.com/doctors-un-vaccines-in-kenya-used-to-sterilize-women/

    Less than a year after the UN unveiled a sweeping population-control plot aimed at reducing the number of Kenyans, a supposed UN “vax program” is under fire by doctors & Catholic bishops for deliberately sterilizing millions of women. The explosive revelations were released after med researchers and the Church found a sterilization agent in tetanus inoculations being foisted on Kenyan women by two UN agencies SNIP

    SNIP “The unfortunate truth is that the vaccine was laced with sterilizing agent HCG like the one used in South American cases,” Dr. Wahome Ngare told the Catholic doctors group that exposed the scheme after test results came back positive. “Further, none of the girls and women given the vax were informed of its contraceptive effect.”

    According to the organization and other med experts, the hCG found in the UN tetanus vaccines causes women’s bodies to develop an immune response to attack the hormone, which is essential to pregnancy. So, when a woman who has received the UN shots gets pregnant, her body fights the crucial hCG — resulting in the death of the unborn child in the womb. Eventually, the supposed inoculations — pushed on Kenyan women by the UN under the guise of “preventing neo-natal tetanus” — result in permanent sterility after multiple doses. All six UN vaccine samples collected from around Kenya tested positive for the hCG antigen at independent laboratories, researchers said.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320641479_HCG_Found_in_WHO_Tetanus_Vaccine_in_Kenya_Raises_Concern_in_the_Developing_World

    I guess if they are surreptitiously inserting sterilization drugs into vaccines in Africa, that is very bad.

    Spoiler alert:  They’re not.

     

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  13. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Here is a published paper from 2017 that details how Kenyan women were lured into being injected with a vaccine for the supposed purpose to prevent neo natal tetanus, when the purpose of the vaccine was actually to be an abortificant and cause the pregnant women to miscarry:

    file:///C:/Users/trued/AppData/Local/Temp/HCGfoundinWHOTetanusVaccineinKenya.pdf

    This first came to light in 2014, and at the time, was widely discussed in many outlets. However these days Google SNIP now promote only those articles favorable to the idea that nothing nasty has ever befallen humanity from any injection ever, so it is hard now to get “real” links to “real” media. SNIP

    Something went wrong with your link because an error message comes up when I click on it.

    Anyway sorry that link went weird. Here are 2 more articles:

    https://thenewamerican.com/doctors-un-vaccines-in-kenya-used-to-sterilize-women/

    Less than a year after the UN unveiled a sweeping population-control plot aimed at reducing the number of Kenyans, a supposed UN “vax program” is under fire by doctors & Catholic bishops for deliberately sterilizing millions of women. The explosive revelations were released after med researchers and the Church found a sterilization agent in tetanus inoculations being foisted on Kenyan women by two UN agencies SNIP

    SNIP “The unfortunate truth is that the vaccine was laced with sterilizing agent HCG like the one used in South American cases,” Dr. Wahome Ngare told the Catholic doctors group that exposed the scheme after test results came back positive. “Further, none of the girls and women given the vax were informed of its contraceptive effect.”

    According to the organization and other med experts, the hCG found in the UN tetanus vaccines causes women’s bodies to develop an immune response to attack the hormone, which is essential to pregnancy. So, when a woman who has received the UN shots gets pregnant, her body fights the crucial hCG — resulting in the death of the unborn child in the womb. Eventually, the supposed inoculations — pushed on Kenyan women by the UN under the guise of “preventing neo-natal tetanus” — result in permanent sterility after multiple doses.SNIP

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320641479_HCG_Found_in_WHO_Tetanus_Vaccine_in_Kenya_Raises_Concern_in_the_Developing_World

    I guess if they are surreptitiously inserting sterilization drugs into vaccines in Africa, that is very bad.

    Plus look at Gates’ track record as a humanitarian:

    His efforts to get Indian government officials to allow Monsanto to sell GM cotton under extremely technically worded contracts to India’s impoverished farmers resulted in the suicides of 200,000 suicides, as the contractual language did not all ow the farmers store seeds from one season to the next, a habit that had kept poor farmers afloat throughout millenia.

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  14. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    SNIP 

    Anyway sorry that link went weird. Here are 2 more articles:

    https://thenewamerican.com/doctors-un-vaccines-in-kenya-used-to-sterilize-women/

    SNIP of comments in earler comment…

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320641479_HCG_Found_in_WHO_Tetanus_Vaccine_in_Kenya_Raises_Concern_in_the_Developing_World

    I guess if they are surreptitiously inserting sterilization drugs into vaccines in Africa, that is very bad.

    Spoiler alert: They’re not.

     

    You say they are not, as usual without any citations.

    Here are more citations for my side of the argument:

    One citation including an analysis of the tetanus vaccine controversy is provided in the Open Access Library Journal, in the article HCG Found in WHO Tetanus Vaccine in Kenya Raises Concern in the Developing World. The authors comment:

    In 1993, WHO announced a “birth-control vaccine” for “family planning”. Published research shows that by 1976 WHO researchers had conjugated tetanus toxoid (TT) with human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) producing a “birth-control” vaccine. Conjugating TT with hCG causes pregnancy hormones to be attacked by the immune system. Expected results are abortions in females already pregnant and/or infertility in recipients not yet impregnated. Repeated inoculations prolong infertility. Currently WHO researchers are working on more potent anti-fertility vaccines using recombinant DNA. WHO publications show a long-range purpose to reduce population growth in unstable “less developed countries”. By November 1993 Catholic publications appeared saying an abortifacient vaccine was being used as a tetanus prophylactic. In November 2014, the Catholic Church asserted that such a program was underway in Kenya.

    Three independent Nairobi accredited biochemistry laboratories tested samples from vials of the WHO tetanus vaccine being used in March 2014 and found hCG where none should be present. In October 2014, 6 additional vials were obtained by Catholic doctors and were tested in 6 accredited laboratories. Again, hCG was found in half the samples. Subsequently, Nairobi’s AgriQ Quest laboratory, in two sets of analyses, again found hCG in the same vaccine vials that tested positive earlier but found no hCG in 52 samples alleged by the WHO to be vials of the vaccine used in the Kenya campaign 40 with the same identifying batch numbers as the vials that tested positive for hCG. Given that hCG was found in at least half the WHO vaccine samples known by the doctors involved in administering the vaccines to have been used in Kenya, our opinion is that the Kenya “anti-tetanus” campaign was reasonably called into question by the Kenya Catholic Doctors Association as a front for population growth reduction.[4]

    Here is a video of Dr Naomi Ngare discussing this vaccine:

    https://youtu.be/uP1Q17Z9WOA

     

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  15. Steven Seward Member
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    Plus look at Gates’ track record as a humanitarian:

    His efforts to get Indian government officials to allow Monsanto to sell GM cotton under extremely technically worded contracts to India’s impoverished farmers resulted in the suicides of 200,000 suicides, as the contractual language did not all ow the farmers store seeds from one season to the next, a habit that had kept poor farmers afloat throughout millenia.

    I know I’m going to regret going down this rabbit hole, but “technically worded contracts” to farmers caused 200,000 Indians to commit suicide?

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    COVID is a Chinese communist bioweapon (that’s my conspiracy belief) causing serious sickness in many people. It’s no joke and, while I believe vaccines should be optional, I resent people discouraging my loved ones from receiving the vaccine based on unverified and likely false tweets and misinterpreted studies.

    So I do not think Covid is a Chinese virus. I think it was created by globalists, our own government agencies being fully complicit with its development. Its release as a means to initiate population control and martial law was being gamed out for at least a year before it was released. The vaccines’ financiers are major and vocal proponents of The Great Reset, economic disruption of nations to consolidate economic power to a handful of people, and population control through vaccination.

    I don’t care if old people get the vaccine. I don’t care if already sterile people get the vaccine. I do care if fecund people are feared into getting the vaccine.

    On the one hand, I find what you say hard to believe because it’s just too outlandish.  But surely France did fund the Wuhan lab, the NIH did fund the development, and the topper is that Bill Gates did hold a conference at Johns Hopkins training people in a world-wide response to a coronavirus pandemic only a month before the first people started getting sick.  What’s more outlandish may be thinking that this is just coincidence.

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  17. Flicker Coolidge
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    So I do not think Covid is a Chinese virus. I think it was created by globalists, our own government agencies being fully complicit with its development. Its release as a means to initiate population control and martial law was being gamed out for at least a year before it was released. The vaccines’ financiers are major and vocal proponents of The Great Reset, economic disruption of nations to consolidate economic power to a handful of people, and population control through vaccination.

    Evidence?

    What do you mean? All of that is just taking a very cynical view of information already known.

    We know Fauci funded the virus research through the NIH (even after it was prohibited in the states). We have documentation of meetings between Gates and other Davos men on what happens in a massive viral outbreak. You have The Great Reset that is well documented by its proponents in the Global Economic Forum. You have quotes from Bill Gates in TedX videos claiming that global vaccination efforts can lower the population.

    While you guys like to chalk up to incompetence, I am more of a believer that evil and a trend towards global power exists. Just because most things that can be ascribed to evil can be ascribed to incompetence doesn’t mean evil is nonexistent while stupidity rules the world.

    The pieces fit my theory just as well as they fit Bathos’.

    It doesn’t need to be a perfect conspiracy to still be a large collection of people who share a worldview.

    Oh.  I see you’ve got it pegged.  Nevermind.

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  18. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Plus look at Gates’ track record as a humanitarian:

    His efforts to get Indian government officials to allow Monsanto to sell GM cotton under extremely technically worded contracts to India’s impoverished farmers resulted in the suicides of 200,000 suicides, as the contractual language did not all ow the farmers store seeds from one season to the next, a habit that had kept poor farmers afloat throughout millenia.

    I know I’m going to regret going down this rabbit hole, but “technically worded contracts” to farmers caused 200,000 Indians to commit suicide?

    You have a nation of semi-literate people. Even in the USA, there were many farmers who felt they got a raw deal by signing on to Monsanto’s Genetecially Modified, RoundUp ready contracts.

    But the poor in India are poorly educated, especially to the concept of what can occur in a contract. Often sucha  people do not understand that it is not what you are told is in the contract, but what is actually written there. Since they were semi-literate, they couldn’t make out the meaning of the contract even if they read it.

    The farmers  were gullible and easily convinced that  all would be well, that they could make an X on the bottom of a contract and their cotton crops would be more profitable than before. When it turned out that many of them could not even afford the RoundUp needed to have the cotton seeds sprout and grow, they were doomed. Others did get the first crop in but could not afford to do it again, and didn’t realize that the length of the contract was for more than one growing season. 

    It is estimated between 200,000 and 450,000 Indian farmers killed themselves after bankrupting their farms, which had been in their family’s possession for generations.

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  19. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    COVID is a Chinese communist bioweapon (that’s my conspiracy belief) causing serious sickness in many people. It’s no joke and, while I believe vaccines should be optional, I resent people discouraging my loved ones from receiving the vaccine based on unverified and likely false tweets and misinterpreted studies.

    So I do not think Covid is a Chinese virus. I think it was created by globalists, our own government agencies being fully complicit with its development. Its release as a means to initiate population control and martial law was being gamed out for at least a year before it was released. The vaccines’ financiers are major and vocal proponents of The Great Reset, economic disruption of nations to consolidate economic power to a handful of people, and population control through vaccination.

    I don’t care if old people get the vaccine. I don’t care if already sterile people get the vaccine. I do care if fecund people are feared into getting the vaccine.

    On the one hand, I find what you say hard to believe because it’s just too outlandish. But surely France did fund the Wuhan lab, the NIH did fund the development, and the topper is that Bill Gates did hold a conference at Johns Hopkins training people in a world-wide response to a coronavirus pandemic only a month before the first people started getting sick. What’s more outlandish may be thinking that this is just coincidence.

    I for one never want to hear any of the “We must do as authorities tell us about COVID” Republicans s ever mention again  that they hate Big Government. Their actions over the last 17 months show how they love Big Government. Apparently all it had to do was tell them “OOGA! BOOGHA! The sky is falling” and they sacrificed their freedom, masked up their children and are now letting the UN and The WHO and Bill Gates asset-strip our nation of the health of many of our citizens, including the military.

     

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  20. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    I’m not interested in legal aspects of the Covid situation. I’m interested in how you came up with 45,000 people dying as a result of the vaccine.

     

    First of all, I came up with nothing. I tried to explain this to you. The government created an alternative reporting system for COVID adverse effects and for fatalities. This was done on the QT, but someone let attorney Tom Renz know about it.

    https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/19/vaers-whistleblower-45000-dead-from-covid-19-vaccines-within-3-days-sparks-lawsuit-against-federal-government/

    Thomas Renz, SNIP started a lawsuit against the federal government for covering up the true number of deaths from the Covid-19 vaccines. According to Renz, a whistle-blower SNIP has seen information on the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) and passed on the numbers and relevant information to him.

    At an event by Awaken America, Renz said: “We have someone who has sworn under penalty of perjury that there have been at least 45,000 deaths.” Renz stated that whilst he cannot currently prove the information, he said that along with America’s Frontline Doctors he has filed the lawsuit in Alabama.

    Allegedly, the whistleblower stated there are 11 VAERS systems reporting adverse reactions & deaths across the US, and one system alone has allegedly has reported the shocking 45,000 deaths from the Covid jabs.

    Carol, this is just some lawyer who said that somebody anonymously told him that there are 45,000 deaths from the vaccines. The story even admits that there is no way to prove this. Do you know how many “anonymous sources” swore that Trump colluded with Russia? I hate to see you get taken in by stuff like this.

    Steven, no one file a lawsuit in Fed Court on a whim. Employing the attorneys he will need to help him will be expensive. Plus if he loses, he not only has his court costs to pay – he has to pay the court costs and attorney bills of the Defendant.

    I am rather sure that if Renz took this action, he has the whistle blower’s promise that she will show up in court. The fact she doesn’t want her name announced now could be due to how many people on the wrong side of the Vax Issue have turned up dead in the last  five years. 

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  21. Steven Seward Member
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    Steven, no one file a lawsuit in Fed Court on a whim. Employing the attorneys he will need to help him will be expensive. Plus if he loses, he not only has his court costs to pay – he has to pay the court costs and attorney bills of the Defendant.

    I don’t know about that.  Here’s a Federal Prisoner who’s filed nearly 2,000 frivolous Federal Law suits and another 600 in lower courts.  He doesn’t have any money at all to pay costs.

     

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