I Watched the January 6 Hearing

 

The videos presented were disturbing. I’ve seen violence on the streets. Violence that involved children, adults, and I’ve seen death that came for those that were on a headlong rush to oblivion, and I’ve seen death come for those that never expected it. I watched the videos from the January 6 riot, and nobody is more grateful than I am that people find them disturbing.

I watched them through the lens of a former police officer and I saw a police force that was totally unprepared for what happened on January 6. That will not be discussed in this Congressional hearing. I’m not moved by the tears from those in Congress that never spoke-up during the 150 nights of rioting in Portland, or any other city in America.

Let’s look at this quote:

PORTLAND, Ore. (KOIN) — Police made more than 200 arrests in connection with ongoing civil unrest in Portland during the month of September; however, about nine out of every 10 suspects have already had their charges dropped.

That’s just one month. Where was the Congressional outrage, and where is it now? I call it riots for thee, but not for me.

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  1. Gary Robbins Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I consider the bulk of the Jan 6 trespassers being held without bail, without charges, and without decent representation to be political prisoners. Change my mind.

    The breakout of all people charged is attached. https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases.Rodin talked about doing an analysis of the status of everyone who has been charged.

    I think that you above sentence has five errors.

    First, the vast majority of the defendants have been charged with more than mere trespassing.

    Second, no one is being held without charges.

    Those are actually one thing, but yes everyone has been charged. However, that is meaningless. A prosecutor can charge anybody they want. Indicting is also easy. Getting innocent people to plead out is also easy for the Feds that have the D.C. jury pool as a threat. Politics trumps justice.

    Maybe I should have specified “charged with crimes that would warrant 6 months in jail (and will they get credit for time served??) when antifa and BLM rioters burned private business, attacked police with lasers and frozen water bottles, and vandalized federal buildings and walked away scot free.” There is no equality before the law in 21st century America. Some pigs (Congress) are more equal than others (ordinary citizens).

    If I had been one of the judges where there had been a riot, I would have been quite willing to let the defendants sit in custody if they had no ties to the community.   I was thrilled when a judge in rural Pennsylvania, I think, simply denied bail or release to violent rioters.  I would be a hanging judge, whether you are Antifa, BLM, or a 1/6 rioter.  Heck, I have prosecuted over 100 cases to terminate parental rights of parents.  

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  2. kedavis Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I consider the bulk of the Jan 6 trespassers being held without bail, without charges, and without decent representation to be political prisoners. Change my mind.

    The breakout of all people charged is attached. https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases.Rodin talked about doing an analysis of the status of everyone who has been charged.

    I think that you above sentence has five errors.

    First, the vast majority of the defendants have been charged with more than mere trespassing.

    Second, no one is being held without charges.

    Those are actually one thing, but yes everyone has been charged. However, that is meaningless. A prosecutor can charge anybody they want. Indicting is also easy. Getting innocent people to plead out is also easy for the Feds that have the D.C. jury pool as a threat. Politics trumps justice.

    Most of the defendants have been released, so the pressure is not on them.

    The defendants can always have the case tried to the Court, instead of a jury. There is a truism in criminal law. If you are guilty ask for a jury. But if you are innocent, just have the case heard by the judge, and don’t bother with the jury.

    Depends. Do you want your case decided by one judge whose home address, children’s schools, etc, may be known by BLM/Antifa/etc?

    Well, I don’t know about DC, but in Arizona, Judges, Police and Prosecutors have their addresses hidden by statute.

    “Now who’s being naive?”

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  3. I Walton Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I consider the bulk of the Jan 6 trespassers being held without bail, without charges, and without decent representation to be political prisoners. Change my mind.

    The breakout of all people charged is attached. https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases.Rodin talked about doing an analysis of the status of everyone who has been charged.

    I think that you above sentence has five errors.

    First, the vast majority of the defendants have been charged with more than mere trespassing.

    Second, no one is being held without charges.

    Those are actually one thing, but yes everyone has been charged. However, that is meaningless. A prosecutor can charge anybody they want. Indicting is also easy. Getting innocent people to plead out is also easy for the Feds that have the D.C. jury pool as a threat. Politics trumps justice.

    Most of the defendants have been released, so the pressure is not on them.

    The defendants can always have the case tried to the Court, instead of a jury. There is a truism in criminal law. If you are guilty ask for a jury. But if you are innocent, just have the case heard by the judge, and don’t bother with the jury.

    Depends. Do you want your case decided by one judge whose home address, children’s schools, etc, may be known by BLM/Antifa/etc?

    Well, I don’t know about DC, but in Arizona, Judges, Police and Prosecutors have their addresses hidden by statute.

    “Now who’s being naive?”

    Id guess he’s never lived in a totalitarian society nor highly third world.   I know others who with confidence in their complete honesty and seriousness  think it’ll all work out.  Nothing is impossible.  We were the first bottom up big diverse place  maybe we’ll be the first giant place to free ourselves from oppressive tops. 

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  4. Old Bathos Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    I consider the bulk of the Jan 6 trespassers being held without bail, without charges, and without decent representation to be political prisoners. Change my mind.

    The breakout of all people charged is attached. https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases. Rodin talked about doing an analysis of the status of everyone who has been charged.

    I think that you above sentence has five errors.

    First, the vast majority of the defendants have been charged with more than mere trespassing.

    Second, no one is being held without charges.

    Third, the vast majority of defendants have been released on their own recognizance.

    Fourth, those defendants who cannot afford an attorney have one appointed for them if they are facing jail time, which all of them are.

    Fifth, the defendants are alleged common criminals. They are not “political prisoners.” They are being held for their actions, not their speech.

    I trust that your mind has been changed.

    Gary, I know you really hate Donald Trump and thus you have (right on command from your new masters) attached that particular opprobrium to the rioters.  You seem oblivious to the larger, vile political agenda at work.  Time to stop feeling the power of the Dark Side and come back to us, big guy.

    The geniuses who executed the riot are now pawns in a much larger game.  The left now needs to forever characterize this as a broad insurrectionist movement in order to justify suppression of all conservative speech as sedition.  For now, only the nutball fringe demands that all conservative outlets be de-platformed and outlawed because their “misinformation” causes treasonous acts. That will be mainstream Democratic and Biden Administration policy by September.  The Democrats are one committee hearing report away from a broad, coordinated legislative and administrative movement to silence all criticism and opposition.  

    The Capitol Hill police are emblematic:  ridiculously overfunded, incompetent, fully politicized–an ideal to which every like every Democrat-run city government aspires.

    The defendants still incarcerated all should have been given bail or recognizance. None of them have past violent felonies, ties to gangs, or drug cartels.  That any of them are being held without trial for six months is, in fact, a political statement by the DOJ.  If instead, prosecutors acted on the truth: this was a small angry crowd mishandled by those responsible for crowd control — the insurrectionist narrative fades and its usefulness dissipates. 

     

     

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  5. Instugator Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Well, I don’t know about DC, but in Arizona, Judges, Police and Prosecutors have their addresses hidden by statute. 

    The IRS is forbidden by law from releasing personal tax data and yet somehow Pro Publica got a really cool download.

    I would have written “hidden” in scare quotes to reflect the current times.

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Well, I don’t know about DC, but in Arizona, Judges, Police and Prosecutors have their addresses hidden by statute.

    The IRS is forbidden by law from releasing personal tax data and yet somehow Pro Publica got a really cool download.

    I would have written “hidden” in scare quotes to reflect the current times.

    Plus, all anyone really needs to do is follow them home from work.

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  7. Fritz Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Instugator (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Well, I don’t know about DC, but in Arizona, Judges, Police and Prosecutors have their addresses hidden by statute.

    The IRS is forbidden by law from releasing personal tax data and yet somehow Pro Publica got a really cool download.

    I would have written “hidden” in scare quotes to reflect the current times.

    Plus, all anyone really needs to do is follow them home from work.

    Seattle’s ‘progressive’ mayor Durkan’s home address is hidden, because of her prior work as US Attorney for the Western District of WA, but that didn’t prevent a BLM/Antifa mob from harrassing her and her family last fall in their home and spraypainting hateful messaging (“Jenny is a Nazi”) on it, too. For the radical left, no one is ‘progressive’ enough.

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  8. Instugator Thatcher
    Instugator
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    Fritz (View Comment):
    For the radical left, no one is ‘progressive’ enough.

    I do enjoy the schadenfreude when they take to eating themselves.

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  9. DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Those are actually one thing, but yes everyone has been charged. However, that is meaningless. A prosecutor can charge anybody they want. Indicting is also easy. Getting innocent people to plead out is also easy for the Feds that have the D.C. jury pool as a threat. Politics trumps justice.

    Most of the defendants have been released, so the pressure is not on them.

    The defendants can always have the case tried to the Court, instead of a jury. There is a truism in criminal law. If you are guilty ask for a jury. But if you are innocent, just have the case heard by the judge, and don’t bother with the jury.

    Depends.  Do you want your case decided by one judge whose home address, children’s schools, etc, may be known by BLM/Antifa/etc?

    Gary has good legal advice about avoiding juries, if you are clearly innocent.   Unfortunately for the J6 hooligans, the D.C. judges are not fair.  Those judges hang out at the cocktail parties with the D.C. prosecutors and Lefty politicians.  There is no way they are not going max punishment to Trumpsters.  It is not about Anti-FA, it is about cocktail parties and fund raising.  

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Those are actually one thing, but yes everyone has been charged. However, that is meaningless. A prosecutor can charge anybody they want. Indicting is also easy. Getting innocent people to plead out is also easy for the Feds that have the D.C. jury pool as a threat. Politics trumps justice.

    Most of the defendants have been released, so the pressure is not on them.

    The defendants can always have the case tried to the Court, instead of a jury. There is a truism in criminal law. If you are guilty ask for a jury. But if you are innocent, just have the case heard by the judge, and don’t bother with the jury.

    Depends. Do you want your case decided by one judge whose home address, children’s schools, etc, may be known by BLM/Antifa/etc?

    Gary has good legal advice about avoiding juries, if you are clearly innocent. Unfortunately for the J6 hooligans, the D.C. judges are not fair. Those judges hang out at the cocktail parties with the D.C. prosecutors and Lefty politicians. There is no way they are not going max punishment to Trumpsters. It is not about Anti-FA, it is about cocktail parties and fund raising.

    And that they don’t want BLM/Antifa showing up at their homes and children’s schools etc.  Even if it’s just with “outing” signs, not Molotov cocktails.

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  11. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    I consider the bulk of the Jan 6 trespassers being held without bail, without charges, and without decent representation to be political prisoners. Change my mind.

    The breakout of all people charged is attached. https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases. Rodin talked about doing an analysis of the status of everyone who has been charged.

    I think that you above sentence has five errors.

    First, the vast majority of the defendants have been charged with more than mere trespassing.

    Second, no one is being held without charges.

    Third, the vast majority of defendants have been released on their own recognizance.

    Fourth, those defendants who cannot afford an attorney have one appointed for them if they are facing jail time, which all of them are.

    Fifth, the defendants are alleged common criminals. They are not “political prisoners.” They are being held for their actions, not their speech.

    I trust that your mind has been changed.

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