Freedom Is a Tricky Thing

 

“The Republican Party is broken,” writes Brandi Love, a self-identified “Conservative PornStar who writes for the Federalist,” according to her Twitter bio. Brandi was an attendee of Turning Point USA’s Student Action Summit. A conservative gathering for the young, hip, and constitutionally-minded designed to galvanize future conservative leaders. The summit features many of the stars of the conservative movement from the Daily Wire’s Michael Knowles to Dr. Ben Carson.

According to the TPUSA website:

Turning Point USA’s Student Action Summit is an invite-only event primarily intended for students between the ages of 15 and 26. If you are an adult wishing to attend, we have a limited number of adult tickets available.

Brandi Love was the holder of one of those limited adult tickets.

She publicized that she would be going live from her hotel at the conference on her website onlybrandi.com. She added she would be doing so, “behind the paywall of my OnlyFans (So we don’t offend the low T white nationalist religious zealots.)”

She later had her invitation revoked, and the chasm between what Brandi defines as “conservatives” and “social conservatives” was revealed.

She accused Twitter commenters who disagreed with her of “once again mixing Social Conservatism and Conservatism.”

The question arises, is there a viable conservative movement that precludes social conservatism?

You can spot a TPUSA student from a mile away in their “Big Gov Sucks” masks and hip t-shirts with slogans like “save the bees and the republic.” Self-described, TPUSA is the “community organizers of the right.” The end goal, according to their mission, is the promotion of freedom.

Freedom is a tricky thing. It is seen as both a means and an end. Freedom is a prerequisite for a moral society, and simultaneously it is impossible to maintain freedom without a moral populace.

The question to wrestle with is why be free? If freedom itself is the aim, then it feels disingenuous to exclude Brandi Love from the TPUSA event. In the most basic meaning of the word, shouldn’t she be free to attend? This is the hypocrisy Brandi has taken to Twitter to point out.

Perhaps, we as conservatives have made a mistake in our messaging– inviting more into the fold and expanding the conservative base at the risk of losing the soul of what we set out to do.

What did we set out to do?

Win elections? By all means, bring in as many people as possible. It’s a numbers game and we need them all.

Beat the Democrats? Again, a numbers game. Bring them all on.

Restore human decency, order, and alignment with creation? We have slipped off track.

Freedom itself is not an end; it’s a doorway. There are many things I do not want the freedom to do:

The freedom to take a life.

The freedom to abuse a child.

The freedom to buy and sell my sexuality and the sexuality of others.

As our founders knew, to pursue the highest life, we needed freedom. But what good is freedom if it is used to justify baseness?

The natural end of the libertarian leanings of the conservative movement is virtueless anarchy–a world where we not only allow, but accommodate and support that which we know to be destructive.

There is a balance to strike between supporting the freedom of others, while not allowing what they do with their freedom to define the entire movement. There is the possibility for nuance. That is, as long as we are honest about our aims.

I aim for a high-minded society (that is, a society working to create heaven on earth) full of healthy people working in conjunction with creation and the creator. Freedom is a wonderful vehicle for that aim.

The totalitarian Soviet Union denied their citizens freedom which prevented them from achieving a higher ideal. In that case, freedom was still a doorway, and once it shut, the people were hard-pressed to rise above depravity.

But freedom is a doorway, nonetheless, on the way to something bigger than even freedom itself. There lies the rallying call of the conservative movement. It is a call to restore order–a call to connect to higher ideals.

Perhaps the message isn’t simply “come as you are,” but rather, “come as you are and then get better.” We can ask each other to enter the doorway of freedom and then keep walking. In that way, the movement is not a fold that holds as many sheep as possible, but rather a launching pad to a more meaningful life.

The religious world is also stuck in the doorway, grappling with the same problem as the conservative movement. The youth in the faith have had enough of “coffee house Christianity” and the like. They see through the baseless and easygoing self-help teachings and are begging to move past the elementary — to be pushed, to expand their knowledge, and to aim higher.

The modern church thought it would bring in more people if the church more resembled everywhere else. In doing so, they have destroyed the sanctity of the Holy Spaces and reduced the pursuit of faith to Chicken Soup for the Soul. (A book I loved as a young girl, by the way, but no substitute for in-depth spiritual studies.)

The conservative movement, like the church, has attempted to behave like the audience they want to reach in an effort to grow the base. In doing so, the members they recruit are denied any opportunities for growth, challenge, and pursuit of higher ideals.

Comfort and weak-minded inclusion of all ideas is the best friend who justifies your drinking problem. She expresses friendship but ensures you never overcome your addiction.

This is, of course, a more ideological than political discussion. Many conservatives embrace the big tent philosophy to win elections. But the conservative movement does not end (or even begin) at the ballot box.

This is not an argument to avoid allyship. As the common saying goes, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.” I believe that wholeheartedly. I love to see the unexpected alliances rising to defeat damaging Marxist ideas and their various manifestations. I pursue these allyships, as we all should. But if our movement is unable to be inclusive while simultaneously holding our standards, then what good do we offer the people we are including anyway?

What good is a conservative movement that doesn’t address the whole of a human being–political, spiritual, economic, relational?

If conservatism doesn’t stand for the American family–an institution proven over and over again to benefit us and our neighbors, then why have a movement?

If conservatism can’t stand for the sacredness of human sexuality, then why have a movement?

If the conservative movement is just about electing the right people, or worse, a cloaked and seductive march towards anarchy, then why have a movement?

As we become wrapped up in the game of growth, the game of numbers, we have to stay connected to why we do what we do–to what end?

I argue that freedom alone is not a satisfying end.

Of course, our founders took for granted that freedom would provide the platform for the more important work of maintaining a moral society deserving of that freedom in the first place. The opinions of the faith were so commonplace they were considered self-evident. In fact, the faith of early Americans is what made freedom self-evident.

But freedom is a tricky thing, and what we do with it matters.

Mikayla Goetz is a renegade actress turned conservative storyteller. Since receiving her B.F.A. in Theatre Arts from Coastal Carolina University, Mikayla has worked as a story developer, writer, and consultant with armed service members, veterans, and Jewish-Ukrainian refugees. She has led the development of plays, film work, community initiatives, and an audio series. Mikayla is the Host of the SomethingBurger Podcast and a regular voice on AM 950-Orlando.

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  1. Stina Member
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    She (View Comment):
    Have we lost the ability to put the genie back in the bottle, or is the only option to spit into two (or more) separate entities?

    Did we ever?

    It’s super easy to act like one big happy family when you get your way, but the true test is when you are not getting your way.

    NT has had full run of the party since HW with complete and unquestioning Evangelical support. But the moment evangelicals assert their position, because neoconnery wasn’t working for them after 20 years, they bolted.

    So who, exactly, wasn’t willing to play with their team? The people who gave the other part full control for 20 years and supported every offering? Or the ones who bolted as soon as they didn’t get their way?

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  2. Ed G. Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):
    I took his response to the question posed in the OP to be a suggestion that he believes the conservative movement should not be shut off from those who aren’t social conservatives, that it should adopt a “big tent,” approach in inviting new members to participate; that bringing people into the fold who are drawn to conservative principles, but are not necessarily socially conservative themselves is not a bad thing in and of itself; that we always have the opportunity to educate; and that we could show ourselves to be far less despotic than the Left when it comes to ideological purity tests for admission to our movement. I think wringing much more of anything out of James’s comment requires strenuous overreading.

    Fair point.

    However, SoCons tend to be some of the most tolerant of all the political subgroups (recognizing that “we’re all sinners”) and have always made compromises in our alliances to try to incrementally work toward the greater good. Social “liberals” on the Right seem to adopt the Left’s stance that we’re judgmental and icky. Personally, I think porn is icky — and destructive to individuals and society.

    For once, I’d like to see social liberals on the Right be worried about us aligning with them.

    Also, are we talking about politics or philosophy/culture? Politics is the place for a big tent. A philosophical or cultural movement not as much. I can make common cause with libertarians, but I think they are wrong about fundamental things. If I’m interested in advancing the intellectual/cultural movement of conservatism then letting barbarians – even allied barbarians – into the gate will not advance my cause. We should have an open mind, but not so open that our brains fall out.

    That’s not to say that we should attack those not already in the fold. No, we should persuade as many as we can and in turn be open to persuasion, but we have a right to exist too without making room for and accommodating other movements which are counterproductive.

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  3. Stina Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    For once, I’d like to see social liberals on the Right be worried about us aligning with them.

    I think they’re very worried only that others might think that’s already the case, and that’s why they take such pains to draw the lines.

    I think that’s part of the divide between the Establishment GOP and the Working Class GOP right there.

    I’m missing something in this conversation and I very much want to. Worried about social conservatives aligning with who?

    And do you mean them not taking our support for granted?

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  4. Mikayla Goetz Member
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    Technology can be smothering or liberating. What it took hundreds of thousands of dollars to do just a few short years ago can now be done relatively cheaply. I have more video power in my cell phone than the first television station I worked at.

    Consequently, just about anyone can put out a passable professional product. That means less dependence on monied backers.

    Ms. Love (real name Tracey Lynn Livermore) has, according to her Wikipedia page, an entrepreneurial spirit. We may not approve of porn as a business, but being in business makes a lot of people conservative. And at age 48, she’s probably looking more in the rear view at her performing career.

     

    After spending time on her twitter it doesn’t seem she plans to retire soon. She passionately stands for pornography as a morale good, a Christian calling even. She seems bent on alienating those with traditional values by saying things like “Low T white nationalists religious zealots.” It’s not that she just wants to be accepted, she wants to become the gatekeeper of the movement herself.

    What do you think?

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  5. Stina Member
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    Mikayla Goetz (View Comment):
    She passionately stands for pornography as a morale good, a Christian calling even. She seems bent on alienating those with traditional values by saying things like “Low T white nationalists religious zealots.” It’s not that she just wants to be accepted, she wants to become the gatekeeper of the movement herself.

    Run for the hills!!! Maybe she should get to know the other people in the movement that already exists before trying to force us into her cookie cutter.

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  6. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    Welcome to Ricochet, Mikayla!

    Great first post. I especially liked this part:

    Mikayla Goetz:

    If conservatism doesn’t stand for the American family–an institution proven over and over again to benefit us and our neighbors, then why have a movement?

    If conservatism can’t stand for the sacredness of human sexuality, then why have a movement?

    You wrote these as two separate bullet points, but I suspect you know that they are inextricably linked.

    I have long had libertarian sympathies, but I also understand that libertarian ideals were established from moral and ethical standards that came before them. Libertarian ideals cannot stand alone. Which is why I am a conservative. It is my belief that one cannot be conservative without social conservatism–anything less has no answer to the destruction of American society.

    I believe it is also true that fiscal conservatism and free market conservatism are necessary for American society. Splitting conservatism into social, fiscal, and free market factions is a tool of the left aimed at weakening their opposition.

    It may be that conservatism cannot win elections this way. If so, the cause is truly already lost.

    Ditto on all counts. 

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  7. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    NT has had full run of the party since HW with complete and unquestioning Evangelical support. But the moment evangelicals assert their position, because neoconnery wasn’t working for them after 20 years, they bolted.

    So who, exactly, wasn’t willing to play with their team? The people who gave the other part full control for 20 years and supported every offering? Or the ones who bolted as soon as they didn’t get their way?

    Who bolted though? I think the SoCons have been bolting since McCain blamed Palin for his dismal performance, and given how the GOP treats them as if they own the SoCon vote (“Who else are you going to vote for? Democrats!”) I’m not surprised. This is why the GOP still can’t understand how SoCons went to Trump — perhaps reluctantly in 2016, but enthusiastically in 2020.

     

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  8. Mikayla Goetz Member
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    philo (View Comment):

    As I skimmed over this I found myself wanting to use the word “liberty” in most places you used “freedom.” In casual use there may not be a difference but I tend the think of the former as more complex (i.e. includes both freedom and responsibility aspects that I discussed in another exchange with you today). I highly recommend American Individualism and The Challenge to Liberty by Herbert Hoover for a wonderful perspective on this.

    [SIDE NOTE: I didn’t track it while reading The Life and Times of Frederick Douglass but, while he used both terms, I was struck by how the word “liberty” stood out much more in his story that centered in a very true sense on basic freedom. (I’m sure someone could provide an accurate count but that is not really the point.)]

    Mikayla Goetz: …“the enemy of my enemy is my friend.” I believe that wholeheartedly.

    The passing of many years has a way of clearing this notion from ones mind. I have the knife wounds in my back (figuratively speaking, of course) from those hard lessons.

    Thank you for the recommendation. I will consider that differentiation moving forward. 

    You are also not the first to raise concern on the “enemy of my enemy” notion. I was referencing the emerging alliance of seemingly strange bedfellows popping up–i.e. conservatives and radical feminists in the gender debate. I do agree that caution is important. Perhaps “friends close and enemies closer” even. 

     

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  9. Mikayla Goetz Member
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    navyjag (View Comment):

    Republicans have heard that before. Starting in 1857. So here we are. Have about half the voters and more than half of state houses. Will a real good chance to get more in the U.S. Capitol next year. Will not waste time on the teeth gnashers like Kristol crying because others think differently. Just beat the leftists.

     

    It seems the Republican party has been trying to pitch a bigger and bigger tent. Has it worked? It doesn’t seem so. The younger generations aren’t interested in the Republican party because they can’t figure out what they even stand for. 

     

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  10. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    And do you mean them not taking our support for granted?

    That’s what I mean. They do. They have done since Reagan.

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  11. Mikayla Goetz Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    The question arises, is there a viable conservative movement that precludes social conservatism?

    It’s the only viable model, if you want to expand the base and win. A lot of would-be allies are reluctant to join up with the bluenose no-fun brigade, as they see it. Let them into the movement for non-social issues, then understand the positions on their own. The left is constantly pressing the issues of social leftism, mandating endless purity tests and codes of behavior – let the right be a haven from the censors and new puritans, and see how many people give it a new look. It’s really an opportunity. The Left is now what they decried: they’re The Man. Rub it in their faces.

    I understand this sentiment, but Brandi encourages pornography as a morale good. The younger generations (especially men) are being eaten alive by it. There was a popular campaign called “Porn Kills Love” because the pornography industry has caused a rift in real life relations between men and women. This disrupts the family as well, which is a cornerstone of the conservative movement. 

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  12. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Ed G. (View Comment):
    Also, are we talking about politics or philosophy/culture? Politics is the place for a big tent. A philosophical or cultural movement not as much.

    Yeah, I think it’s possible we’re conflating the two in this discussion.

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  13. Mikayla Goetz Member
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    Guruforhire (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    The question arises, is there a viable conservative movement that precludes social conservatism?

    It’s the only viable model, if you want to expand the base and win. A lot of would-be allies are reluctant to join up with the bluenose no-fun brigade, as they see it. Let them into the movement for non-social issues, then understand the positions on their own. The left is constantly pressing the issues of social leftism, mandating endless purity tests and codes of behavior – let the right be a haven from the censors and new puritans, and see how many people give it a new look. It’s really an opportunity. The Left is now what they decried: they’re The Man. Rub it in their faces.

    The winning coalition has always been fiscally liberal and socially conservative.

    I agree with you as far as winning elections (which is highly important) But what I am interested in is casting a vision of the conservative movement beyond the ballot box.  

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  14. Mikayla Goetz Member
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    The question arises, is there a viable conservative movement that precludes social conservatism?

    It’s the only viable model, if you want to expand the base and win. A lot of would-be allies are reluctant to join up with the bluenose no-fun brigade, as they see it. Let them into the movement for non-social issues, then understand the positions on their own. The left is constantly pressing the issues of social leftism, mandating endless purity tests and codes of behavior – let the right be a haven from the censors and new puritans, and see how many people give it a new look. It’s really an opportunity. The Left is now what they decried: they’re The Man. Rub it in their faces.

    John Adams foresaw weakness like this. Ronald Reagan showed us how to be Happy Warriors. And that most certainly included a leg of the stool for social conservatism. The tent is not big enough for porn stars who don’t believe in God.

    And yes, I agree that the Left is now the Man. Rub it in their faces.

     

    I love that John Adams quote! 

     

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  15. Mikayla Goetz Member
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    The question arises, is there a viable conservative movement that precludes social conservatism?

    It’s the only viable model, if you want to expand the base and win. A lot of would-be allies are reluctant to join up with the bluenose no-fun brigade, as they see it. Let them into the movement for non-social issues, then understand the positions on their own. The left is constantly pressing the issues of social leftism, mandating endless purity tests and codes of behavior – let the right be a haven from the censors and new puritans, and see how many people give it a new look. It’s really an opportunity. The Left is now what they decried: they’re The Man. Rub it in their faces.

    John Adams foresaw weakness like this. Ronald Reagan showed us how to be Happy Warriors. And that most certainly included a leg of the stool for social conservatism. The tent is not big enough for porn stars who don’t believe in God.

    And yes, I agree that the Left is now the Man. Rub it in their faces.

     

    And Os Guiness later nailed this most important leg of the Conservative Stool with his Golden Triangle of Freedom:

    Guinness describes what he calls “The Golden Triangle of Freedom.” The reason the American experiment in self-government worked is because of three interworking elements – freedom, virtue and faith. Freedom requires virtue, virtue requires faith and faith requires freedom.

    I love this! I will be working it in to future posts as well as my podcast (Somethingburger Podcast.)

     

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  16. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Mikayla Goetz (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    Technology can be smothering or liberating. What it took hundreds of thousands of dollars to do just a few short years ago can now be done relatively cheaply. I have more video power in my cell phone than the first television station I worked at.

    Consequently, just about anyone can put out a passable professional product. That means less dependence on monied backers.

    Ms. Love (real name Tracey Lynn Livermore) has, according to her Wikipedia page, an entrepreneurial spirit. We may not approve of porn as a business, but being in business makes a lot of people conservative. And at age 48, she’s probably looking more in the rear view at her performing career.

     

    After spending time on her twitter it doesn’t seem she plans to retire soon. She passionately stands for pornography as a morale good, a Christian calling even. She seems bent on alienating those with traditional values by saying things like “Low T white nationalists religious zealots.” It’s not that she just wants to be accepted, she wants to become the gatekeeper of the movement herself.

    What do you think?

    For me, I don’t think we should celebrate porn.

    Then again, I heard lots of conservatives go on and on about Game of Thrones. 

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  17. Mikayla Goetz Member
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    Dave of Barsham (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    (SNIP)

    Except that he did appeal to religious conservatives. Don’t you remember the hubbub around here about evangelicals being hypocritical for supporting Trump? You’re right that he didn’t position himself as a holy roller, but he positioned himself as someone who takes holy rollers and their issues seriously, particularly as folded into the cancel culture and left shift.

    Ironically, I think the fact that he didn’t just dismiss them out of hand or put them up for ridicule was the real appeal to them. Thinking back to the McCain-Palin ticket. She was brought on as the appeal to them and was treated like crap by both parties from the start. One doesn’t have to like her to see that a lot of voters would take that disdain and ridicule personally. I don’t disagree with the idea that a large tent that doesn’t sound like a bunch of SNL church ladies is a good idea, but as much as I like James, it’s a bit ridiculous to think that you can jettison a third or more of your voting base and replace them with…what exactly? People with an Only Fans and those that pay to see them? I’m always surprised to find that many Republicans, especially in the pundit class, didn’t seem to learn anything about a large swath of conservative voters during Trump’s presidency.

    Get in a time machine and go back to 2004, and at the Republican national convention tell the crowd that by 2016 Evangelical voters would enthusiastically be voting for Donald J. Trump. What reaction do you think you would get? You’d be laughed out of the building (and then thrown in a psych ward for claiming to be a time traveler). Ok, now jump to 2016 and soak in the Trump rallies, and enthusiasm. What changed, did every single one of those voters decide that none of the things they cared about mattered anymore? Of course not. What happened is that those voter’s spent 8 years being told by their party that they were reason Obama won, all while sending their sons to die in a war that suddenly disappeared from the news. They watched as their own party told them that the “culture war” didn’t matter and to sit down and shut up about it. They then watched the culture devolve before their eyes where now they have to deal with worrying about boys in their daughter’s locker room and the threat in some places of having your kids taken from you if you don’t let your kid take hormone blockers and “transition.” If you want people to vote for you, you have to actually give a crap about their concerns. People aren’t just numbers on a spreadsheet. It’s absolutely true that facts don’t care about your feelings, but voters do.

    A good friend of mine in the communication world says, “Sure facts don’t care about your feelings but feelings also don’t care about your facts.” 

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  18. Mikayla Goetz Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Good luck winning without the votes and energy of pro life people. Nice acceptance of the left’s accusation that they’re the bluenose no-fun brigade. The moderates controlled the Illinois Republican Party for most of the three decades I lived there. We had big government Jim Thomson, Jim Edgar and lying George Ryan as governors for 28 years in a row. Conservatives were told to vote for moderates whereas moderates felt no compunction to vote for conservatives. Now the IL GOP is a shell. Perhaps it’s as much demographics as anything else but the Chamber of Commerce Republicans are happy with open borders which result in these changing demographics. VDH describes in detail what has happened in California as a consequence of such policies. Good luck as a political consultant if you think you grow by spitting on 30%-40% of your base.

    Yes, I think one of the major flaws in the libertarian way of thinking is it accepts the premise that social conservatives (I might prefer the term American traditionalists) hate the sinner, not just the sin. That because we prefer not to change the (organic, pre-government) definition of marriage and family, we hate homosexuals. That because we’d prefer women not kill their babies in the womb, we hate women who’ve had abortions. That because we’re opposed to the degradation of people making and watching pornography, we hate the pornographers and those who consume their product. Nothing could be further from the truth. It’s almost as if people living on the remnants of Judeo-Christian America are unable to connect their heritage of liberty to those self-same religious values.

    I’m “conservative” (a Catholic American traditionalist) because I believe those values lead to human flourishing. It’s because I will the good of my fellow man (the definition of love) that I hold these truths to be self-evident and eternal: marriage is in its telos the union of a man and a woman directed toward the unity of the couple and the procreation and formation of children (family); human life begins at conception and is directed toward eternal union with God in heaven — no one has the “right” to intentionally destroy it; human sexuality is sacred and the marital act is reserved for marital, one-flesh unions open to new life.

    We should probably define what we mean by “freedom.”

    Freedom does not mean that right to do whatever we please,
    but rather to do as we ought. The right to do whatever we
    please reduces freedom to a physical power and
    forgets that freedom is a moral power.

    Fulton J. Sheen

    Very important to remember the connection to love and human flourishing. Yes, we need to win elections, but we also need a movement that is truly compassionate for our fellow citizens–that is movement worth rallying behind much more than “beat the democrats.” I think the younger generations are seeking movements that offer them more purpose, this is perhaps where the conservative movement has failed to tell our story well. 

     

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  19. Mikayla Goetz Member
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Dave of Barsham (View Comment):
    Get in a time machine and go back to 2004, and at the Republican national convention tell the crowd that by 2016 Evangelical voters would enthusiastically be voting for Donald J. Trump. What reaction do you think you would get? You’d be laughed out of the building (and then thrown in a psych ward for claiming to be a time traveler). Ok, now jump to 2016 and soak in the Trump rallies, and enthusiasm. What changed, did every single one of those voters decide that none of the things they cared about mattered anymore? Of course not. What happened is that those voter’s spent 8 years being told by their party that they were reason Obama won, all while sending their sons to die in a war that suddenly disappeared from the news. They watched as their own party told them that the “culture war” didn’t matter and to sit down and shut up about it. They then watched the culture devolve before their eyes where now they have to deal with worrying about boys in their daughter’s locker room and the threat in some places of having your kids taken from you if you don’t let your kid take hormone blockers and “transition.” If you want people to vote for you, you have to actually give a crap about their concerns. People aren’t just numbers on a spreadsheet. It’s absolutely true that facts don’t care about your feelings, but voters do.

    The bolded section above goes far to explain it. It’s not quite the passive “Leave me lone and I’ll leave you alone” thing. It’s more active than that: the culture war needs to be fought and Trump was fighting it in a way I want it fought!

    Fiscally conservative and socially liberal is the opposite of that. Socons might still have gone along with that strategy as team players if anyone had ever actually delivered on any of that fiscal conservatism, but no one ever has. At some point all we’re left with is the repeated mantra “this is not the hill to die on”, “once we win back the house…”. Screw that – let’s throw down now… while we still can.

     

    I do think we may benefit from metaphorically dying on more hills. It will give more consistency to what we do. We actually stand for what we say we believe. 

     

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  20. Mikayla Goetz Member
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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    Welcome to Ricochet, Mikayla!

    Great first post. I especially liked this part:

    Mikayla Goetz:

    If conservatism doesn’t stand for the American family–an institution proven over and over again to benefit us and our neighbors, then why have a movement?

    If conservatism can’t stand for the sacredness of human sexuality, then why have a movement?

    You wrote these as two separate bullet points, but I suspect you know that they are inextricably linked.

    I have long had libertarian sympathies, but I also understand that libertarian ideals were established from moral and ethical standards that came before them. Libertarian ideals cannot stand alone. Which is why I am a conservative. It is my belief that one cannot be conservative without social conservatism–anything less has no answer to the destruction of American society.

    I believe it is also true that fiscal conservatism and free market conservatism are necessary for American society. Splitting conservatism into social, fiscal, and free market factions is a tool of the left aimed at weakening their opposition.

    It may be that conservatism cannot win elections this way. If so, the cause is truly already lost.

    Thank you! I am happy to be here.

     

    I think we can win elections that way. People root for the David who stands his ground for what is right.  

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  21. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western Chauvinist
    @WesternChauvinist

    Mikayla Goetz (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    The question arises, is there a viable conservative movement that precludes social conservatism?

    It’s the only viable model, if you want to expand the base and win. A lot of would-be allies are reluctant to join up with the bluenose no-fun brigade, as they see it. Let them into the movement for non-social issues, then understand the positions on their own. The left is constantly pressing the issues of social leftism, mandating endless purity tests and codes of behavior – let the right be a haven from the censors and new puritans, and see how many people give it a new look. It’s really an opportunity. The Left is now what they decried: they’re The Man. Rub it in their faces.

    I understand this sentiment, but Brandi encourages pornography as a morale good. The younger generations (especially men) are being eaten alive by it. There was a popular campaign called “Porn Kills Love” because the pornography industry has caused a rift in real life relations between men and women. This disrupts the family as well, which is a cornerstone of the conservative movement.

    It’s a huge issue. I know of young faithful Catholic women who meet young faithful Catholic men at daily Mass and find out in short order (looking at their social media profiles and then talking to them directly) that they’re addicted to porn.

    I believe it was JPII who said, “abortion is the human rights issue of our time.” It’s still at the top, imo (we can’t keep killing people to solve our problems and expect to have a civilized society), but porn addiction has rapidly, with technology, ascended to the #2 spot. My brother living and working near the Amish says he even sees Amish children gathered around watching porn on their phones (yes, they have phones).

    And like marijuana, it’s a vice that has gotten more potent and much more toxic in recent years. This isn’t like having to go down to the 7-11 and ask for the Playboy behind the counter while showing your ID. This is carried around in your pocket and “movies” are available wherever there’s internet access. People are being exploited, including children, and sometimes even murdered. It’s a grave evil for which I have zero libertarian sympathies. A scourge upon humanity.

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  22. Mikayla Goetz Member
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    @Mikayla Goetz

    Columbo (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    navyjag (View Comment):

    What the frig is a “white nationalist”? I thought they were in South Africa in 1976. And then went away. Never saw or heard of any in the U.S.

    Dishonest conflation of nationalist who happen to be white and white supremacists that occurred in most mainstream conservative publications in 2015-2018.

    The Bush II administration furthered the permission for this farce with their need to water down conservatism with their preferred adjective of “compassionate” in front of it.

    The same Bush II admin thought the populace were too icky to associate too closely with. Guess what, spineless RINOs, Conservatism is compassionate even if you think it too icky by itself.

    I do think “compassionate” as a description of conservative will be very important for messaging to political “middle.”  As you said, the movement is already compassionate–but to connect those two words together is still brilliant for reaching new people!

     

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  23. Mikayla Goetz Member
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    @Mikayla Goetz

    kedavis (View Comment):

    GlennAmurgis (View Comment):

    Instugator (View Comment):

    Mikayla Goetz: If freedom itself is the aim, then it feels disingenuous to exclude Brandi Love from the TPUSA event.

    This is true.

    Alternatively, if the goal was to

    Restore human decency, order, and alignment with creation?

    Then the TPUSA folks missed the opportunity to witness to a sinner. A person desperately in need of a savior.

    In either event, I think they choose poorly.

     

     

     

    – there are a number of ex porn “stars” who gave up the business and written about how bad it is for the women who get in it. TPUSA could have had a forum about the industry between Love and one or more of these women about the harm of those who engage in it.

     

    Maybe they could have arranged that, if they’d known about her plans in advance.

    It would be a moving forum, no doubt.

     

     

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  24. Mikayla Goetz Member
    Mikayla Goetz
    @Mikayla Goetz

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):
    The question arises, is there a viable conservative movement that precludes social conservatism?

    Sure, because we need more tranny story hours. Let’s get ahead of the Left and normalize pedophilia too. Or
    https://amgreatness.com/2021/07/19/the-conservative-case-for-hardcore-porn/

    Just kidding!

    Conservatism is progressivism driving the speed limit.
    — Michael Malice

    I think that is how most people view conservatism–which may account for it’s unpopularity.

     

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  25. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Mikayla Goetz (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Fiscally conservative and socially liberal is the opposite of that. Socons might still have gone along with that strategy as team players if anyone had ever actually delivered on any of that fiscal conservatism, but no one ever has. At some point all we’re left with is the repeated mantra “this is not the hill to die on”, “once we win back the house…”. Screw that – let’s throw down now… while we still can.

    I do think we may benefit from metaphorically dying on more hills. It will give more consistency to what we do. We actually stand for what we say we believe.

    Not going to be easy influencing the culture from this metaphorical deathbed.

    EDIT: Sorry, I misread the context completely. And instead I will say “YES!” It’s time to claim more hills. (Because I don’t actually believe those hills will be our metaphorical graves.)

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  26. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western Chauvinist
    @WesternChauvinist

    Mikayla Goetz (View Comment):
    I do think “compassionate” as a description of conservative will be very important for messaging to political “middle.”  As you said, the movement is already compassionate–but to connect those two words together is still brilliant for reaching new people!

    Disagree. “Compassionate” conservatism accepts the premise that regular conservatism is uncompassionate. It’s bad messaging, like telling vaccinated people to wear masks while simultaneously trying to convince more people to be vaccinated. 

    Anytime a modifier is added it weakens the subject: “social justice” is really socialism injustice. There’s justice (giving people what they’re due (according to natural rights)) and then there everything else. Others could probably come up with more examples. 

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  27. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    Mikayla Goetz (View Comment):

    I do think “compassionate” as a description of conservative will be very important for messaging to political “middle.”  As you said, the movement is already compassionate–but to connect those two words together is still brilliant for reaching new people!

     

    I’m not certain it is. The question should be asked, compassionate to WHO?

    Political and national leaders being “compassionate” to illegal immigrants is not compassionate to their constituents.

    I would rather ditch the word. It is far to loaded against the actual people voting and does more to scratch a virtuous itch in those it would attract.

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  28. Stina Member
    Stina
    @CM

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Stina (View Comment):

    NT has had full run of the party since HW with complete and unquestioning Evangelical support. But the moment evangelicals assert their position, because neoconnery wasn’t working for them after 20 years, they bolted.

    So who, exactly, wasn’t willing to play with their team? The people who gave the other part full control for 20 years and supported every offering? Or the ones who bolted as soon as they didn’t get their way?

    Who bolted though? I think the SoCons have been bolting since McCain blamed Palin for his dismal performance, and given how the GOP treats them as if they own the SoCon vote (“Who else are you going to vote for? Democrats!”) I’m not surprised. This is why the GOP still can’t understand how SoCons went to Trump — perhaps reluctantly in 2016, but enthusiastically in 2020.

     

    Did evangelicals abandon McCain? There were issues, but I thought they were still trying to be supportive.

    NT jumped ship when Trump was nominated.

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  29. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    I am all over the place in this thread, and no longer sure who I’m agreeing with. : D

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  30. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Stina (View Comment):

    Did evangelicals abandon McCain? There were issues, but I thought they were still trying to be supportive.

    NT jumped ship when Trump was nominated.

    I think that was the start of an awakening among evangelicals that the GOP talks like they’re fighting for us, but they never really do anything. They just want the votes and the donor cash. They considered us a captured demographic. And I think they were (and still are) horrified that we threw in with Donald Trump. The anti-Trump evangelicals (like David French to name one notorious example, but there are many more) instantly began their attempts to shame evangelicals for how they voted. “You’re destroying your Christian witness by supporting President Trump!” They never understood why we voted for him and never really wanted to understand. All they wanted to do was shame us back onto the GOPe plantation.

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