I’m Flying Over Tucson And I Can See Downtown LA

 

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The Lockheed SR-71, one of Lockheed’s greatest achievements,  no longer flies and has found a home in air museums instead.

The F-22 Raptor, and the F-35 Lightning, The F-117 Stealth Fighter, although it is more of a bomber, when written about are not usually prefaced with the Lockheed name. When the SR-71 is written about it more often than not it is prefaced with “Lockheed”.

The Lockheed SR-71 looks impressive parked in a museum, but it was more impressive in the air. The video of a former SR-71 pilot speaking about a flight across the US is an entertaining humorous story, but if you listen carefully the story contains some information about just how impressive this aircraft was in the air.

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  1. Phil Turmel Inactive
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    I love that story.

     

    Love that plane, too.

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  2. Phil Turmel Inactive
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    I like this longer and a bit more professionally-made clip of one of Brian Shul’s presentations:

     

     

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  3. DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) Coolidge
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    Great story.

    Speaking of F35, how did we spend $1.5T on that?    I would think you could buy a Death Star for that much money.

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  4. Doug Watt Member
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    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    Great story.

    Speaking of F35, how did we spend $1.5T on that? I would think you could buy a Death Star for that much money.

    You left out a few facts from the link you provided:

    With a total cost as high as $1.508 trillion dollars, the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter program would be the largest single military contract in history. However, a few things need to be put in perspective—and the truth is this fifth-generation fighter offers a lot of bang for the buck and will be flying for decades to come.

    First, the total cost has been estimated in 2070 dollars, when the lifecycle of the F-35 will likely come to an end. That means those fighters rolling off the assembly line could be flying when today’s toddlers are middle aged.

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    Small correction:  the Stealth Fighter is F-117.

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  6. Doug Watt Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Small correction: the Stealth Fighter is F-117.

    Corrected, thank you.

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  7. Doug Watt Member
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    There are some things to remember about cost concerning the F-35:

    In Desert Storm it took 19 non-stealth aircraft to accomplish the same effects as one stealth F-117. The Department of Defense needs to start measuring value in this context, not simply using unitary cost comparisons of one type aircraft to another. If two F-35s can accomplish what it takes 20 last generation aircraft, then F-35s need to be allocated a 10 to 1 unit cost advantage along with comparisons of total aircraft costs per flying hour. – Forbes

    News is also on a positive vector from a price perspective. The F-35A is currently tracking to cost $77.9M by lot 14. By contrast, the F-15EX fighter, a design that has been in production since the 1970s, is set to cost $87.7M.

    That is over $10M more for an aircraft that lacks the key attribute of stealth, which means it has a very limited, if any, ability to execute missions amidst advanced enemy defenses. Even where it can successfully engage, survival will require large defensive mission formations of aircraft focused on keeping the F-15EXs alive. More money for less capability is a bad investment trajectory and certainly highlights the value afforded by the newer, far more capable F-35.- Forbes

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  8. Mark Alexander Inactive
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    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    Great story.

    Speaking of F35, how did we spend $1.5T on that? I would think you could buy a Death Star for that much money.

    How can we spend $300 on a simple wrench? Black ops money has to be accounted for. As well as kickbacks.

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  9. Doug Watt Member
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    More on the F-35 from Motley Fool investing:

    Here’s how the math works: $5.58 billion in spending to acquire 74 F-35s works out to an average price of just $75.4 million per fighter. That’s even cheaper than the $80 million unit price that was mooted last month. It’s also cheaper than the $79 million unit price that Boeing floated as the likely cost of its new Advanced Super Hornet earlier this year.

    Even more amazing, more than one third of the F-35s the Pentagon will be buying are of the -B and -C variants — which at last report each cost roughly 30% more than an F-35A. This suggests either that F-35Bs and -Cs are now approaching the lower cost of cheaper F-35As — or that the F-35A itself may now cost even less than $75.4 million.

     

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  10. Tex929rr Coolidge
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    It’s easy to forget how quickly combat aircraft improve.  The now 49 year old A10 can carry twice the bomb load of a B17, with one crewman on board versus 10.  Granted, different missions .  The A1 Skyraider, Viet Nam ground attack workhorse (closest predecessor to an A10) could carry half of the bomb load of the A10 (and no apocalyptic 30mm rotary cannon), and virtually the same bomb load as a B17 less than 20 years after the time when the B17 was new technology. 

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  11. Percival Thatcher
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    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    Great story.

    Speaking of F35, how did we spend $1.5T on that? I would think you could buy a Death Star for that much money.

    I was pretty skeptical, despite working on parts of it, but I keep seeing things like this:

    During the intense exercise, aggressor aircraft blinded many of the “blue” fourth-generation aircraft using electronic attack capabilities, such as those advanced adversaries might employ in battle. “Even in this extremely challenging environment, the F-35 didn’t have many difficulties doing its job,” Col. Joshua Wood, 388th Operations Group commander, explained in a U.S. Air Force statement summarizing the exercise results.

    Novice F-35 pilots were able to step in and save more experienced friendly fourth-generation fighter pilots while racking up kills.

    “My wingman was a brand new F-35A pilot, seven or eight flights out of training,” Wood said, recounting his experiences. “He gets on the radio and tells an experienced 3,000-hour pilot in a very capable fourth-generation aircraft. ‘Hey bud, you need to turn around. You’re about to die. There’s a threat off your nose.’”

     

    That young pilot took out the enemy aircraft and then went on to pick up three more “kills” during the mission, which lasted for an hour. “I’ve never seen anything like it before,” Wood added.

    My emphasis added.

    Seven or eight flights. Four kills.

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  12. Stad Coolidge
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    What impressed me the most about the SR-71 was how the engineers designed a plane that could accomodate how much it stretched due to the heat at top speed.  I say bring it back . . .

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  13. kedavis Coolidge
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    From the movie Space Cowboys:

     

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  14. Percival Thatcher
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    As to the post, I knew to whom it was referring just from the title.

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  15. Percival Thatcher
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    Stad (View Comment):

    What impressed me the most about the SR-71 was how the engineers designed a plane that could accomodate how much it stretched due to the heat at top speed. I say bring it back . . .

    A consequence of that was that it leaked like a sieve when it was sitting on the ground. They would gas it up, take off, then find the tanker to top off the tanks.

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  16. Tex929rr Coolidge
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    And the YF-12 program was an interceptor based on the SR71 platform (that didn’t work out).  Back in the early 80’s I was TDY to Wright-Patterson and my AF student pilot wife was visiting for the weekend.  Security was light and we drove onto one of the annexes and discovered a trove of aircraft awaiting cleanup to be displays.  We crawled all over the dusty YF12 prototype that was sitting in the midst of a mini boneyard. 

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  17. Kozak Member
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    I was at an air show At Wright Patterson in Dayton Ohio in the 80’s.  The highlight was going to be a rare supersonic pass from an SR 71.  I remember the announcer telling us, “the Blackbird is now taking off from Beale AFB (Ca) and should be overhead in 45 minutes”.  45 minutes. California to Ohio.

    Unfortunately they  had trouble hooking up to the tanker and had to cancel so I never got to see that supersonic fly by.

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  18. Tex929rr Coolidge
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    I was at an air show At Wright Patterson in Dayton Ohio in the 80’s. The highlight was going to be a rare supersonic pass from an SR 71. I remember the announcer telling us, “the Blackbird is now taking off from Beale AFB (Ca) and should be overhead in 45 minutes”. 45 minutes. California to Ohio.

    Unfortunately they had trouble hooking up to the tanker and had to cancel so I never got to see that supersonic fly by.

    When I was a radar tech at Wilder, Idaho (78-79) the refueling route for Beale based SR-71’s went close enough to watch.  IIRC, they had a special gel fuel and special tankers to deliver it.  When I was a 2LT at Grand Forks (82-84) one flying by had an engine failure and made an emergency landing (giant SAC runway).  The debris actually closed the runway for a while (big deal at an active SAC base during the Cold War).  They had to jury rig a tow boom to get it off of the runway and flew in a 135 full of parts and technicians to repair it the next day,  

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  19. philo Member
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    Doug Watt: The F-22 Raptor, and the F-35 Lightning, The F-117 Stealth Fighter, although it is more of a bomber, when written about are not usually prefaced with the Lockheed name.

    Occasionally I will hear reference to the Lockheed Martin F-16 or see one with the company name on it…and it just feels wrong. It is, and will forever be, the General Dynamics F-16.

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  20. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    There are a number of videos on the SR 71, A New Zealand girl reacts to them:

    She also has reactions to the LA Speed Story, and Buzz the Tower…

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  21. kedavis Coolidge
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    There are a number of videos on the SR 71, A New Zealand girl reacts to them:

    She also has reactions to the LA Speed Story, and Buzz the Tower…

     

    Does a girl from New Zealand understand how far it is from California to Ohio, as in the earlier comment?

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  22. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    There are a number of videos on the SR 71, A New Zealand girl reacts to them:

    She also has reactions to the LA Speed Story, and Buzz the Tower…

     

    Does a girl from New Zealand understand how far it is from California to Ohio, as in the earlier comment?

    I think so. She does reaction videos to American sports and cultural things – because she was planning to move to America. Her plans had since changed.

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