Radio Free Delingpole
Episode 29: Stupid Liberal Things

Guest: Author/Columnist Douglas Murray
Feb 8, 2013
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Gay marriage was passed in Great Britain this week, and that can only mean one thing: a new episode of Radio Free Delingpole. This week, James and guest author/columnist Douglas Murray. They also cover James’ swanky lunch with Tim Rice, the problem with Karl Rove, reviews of Zero Dark 30 and Les Misérables, and an in depth discussion on liberal bias in England (of course, that’s on every show). 

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  1. Don Charleone

    Im afraid Douglas Murray is about the worst British conservative you could have had on to discuss gay marriage, as all his principles go right out the window when it comes to matters of sexuality. Gay marriage is the sine qua non of the “everything is up for grabs” positions he otherwise chastises the tories for adopting. Any political party that pursues the redefinition of not just society’s oldest and principal institution, but the English language itself, has no business calling itself conservative.

  2. Allan Trojan

    I always have admired James for his refreshing cynicism and never took him to be naive, so I was disappointed to hear him agree with Douglas about homosexual marriage.  If he thinks that the homosexual lobby will not now push to require the churches to marry same-sex couples, he is very naive indeed.

  3. J Climacus

    James wants the American right to give up on abortion and gay marriage (really, the social issues in general). He also mentioned Sandra Fluke while missing her significance, which was to demonstrate that the social, economic and political issues are not separate but really different sides to the same issues. Contraceptive rights means not just legal freedom to use them, but big government subsidies for their use by college students, as well as government coercion to force private institutions to subsidize them. Gay marriage is really just one front in the progressive war to erase the legal recognition of any natural differences between men and women (which is why it is related to allowing women in combat units). Ever bigger government and its coercive power are necessary to this project, as nature will always reassert itself unless it is continuely and actively suppressed. Traditional social arrangements are small government arrangements because they are natural; you don’t need government to make them happen. Conservatives who throw over nature should not be surprised that big government is the ”natural” consequence. 

  4. Leftists, even if they are only social leftists and not economic or environmental (no matter what they call themselves), never make long term sense. They don’t see that they are actually rooting for more regulation and less freedom. If they were serious they would be working on getting rid of the underlying bureaus and regs not instituting more. It is harder and seems impossible, but better than trying to ‘legislate their morality’. Some may quibble about using the term leftist however they emote over friends’ situations, but are for special interest group rights, ignoring overall principles and the logical outcome (unintended consequences?) of their positions- trees/forest. Also, lawyers tend to be into laws no matter what persuasion. 
  5. Edward Smith

    Hey Doug,

    Anyone ever tell you you look a bit like a younger, leaner Colin Baker?

  6. Frank Soto
    C

    The interplay between James and Douglas is priceless here.  

  7. Barkha Herman

    James – under the UK law, is a married UK citizen allowed to help a foreign born spouse gain citizenship to the UK?

    For whatever reason, when conservatives talk about having “all rights under law” comparisons between married and gay couple, they never consider the immigration part.

    Under U.S. laws, gay couple married in Massachusetts are not allowed to immigrate to the U.S. due to DOMA, even when married (legally) to an American Citizen.

    “All rights” are clearly not all rights. 

  8. Stephanie

    I find it a bit hypocritical for anyone to suggest that Republicans should downplay the abortion issue to win elections and yet, go into a rant expressing outrage over an assasination attempt of another journalist.  Dont get me wrong, I do find this horrid,  but I also find the murders of millions of babies a bit more upsetting.   It would seem that certain lives have more value than others? 

  9. Indaba

    As soon as tbe word abortion is mentioned, people seem to stop listening to what is being said.

    Just because Conservatives do not run on it, does not mean it should be delegated to the garbage heap.

    But, is a political campaign the right time to have old white males debating finer points that are familiar and loved by some on the right? Has that worked?

    In fact, that is what took the vote from Romney and I have heard it from right leaning American business men and women.

    At my finance club, there was a guest who worked with Romney on financial issues, very big in Washington. He said that the fear of contraception and abortion being forbidden dampened the vote.

    The abortion issue is important but if the way you are marketing the issue has not got through to those outside of religious groups, would it not make sense to change up the message?

    For example, why go for the female?

    Bill Clinton has made some young woman have an abortion.

    This recent march, why not make a poster child of Justin Bieber and why did the crowd not do a mass tweet to him?

    Choose LOVE.

  10. Indaba

    Stephanie, what the Right do not answer is their attitude about forcing women to have children and the, whoopsie, now you are on your own, honey. No, we do not want you to have food stamps, welfare or government housing.

    Off you go. Survive on your own budget, lady.

    You should have put an aspirin between your knees, and too bad if you were stupid enough to believe his words – how did Meatloaf put it….I’ll love you ’till the end of time. Get that man to marry you first. Even Beyonce gives you relationship tips Don’t you know if the guy likes it to put a ring on it?

    The right could do beachhead marketing for the politicians. Who is accessing abortion the most? Who speaks to those groups?

    Freakonomics says it is mostly black women. If that is so, the neurosurgeon who recently spoke at an event with Obama is a terrific spokesman and his wife. In his speech, he got in religion and many other topics, but in a positive, inspiring manner. The Right needs to pay attention to the difference between wagging your finger, no,no,no style to affect change.

  11. Group Captain Mandrake

    What a blessing to wake up on Saturday morning and listen to the marvellous interplay between Delingpole and Murray, two ex-Oxford chaps who remind me of how I survived three years in a college dominated by the left. 

    It’s refreshing to hear words like “condign”, “psephological” and “gnomic” and to learn about “pebbledash woman in the middle parts of the city of X”.   The total silence concerning the case of Lars Hedegaard is shocking.  

    It’s presented with the finest British humour and understatement (and a lot of wisdom).   If any of you haven’t listened to it, you’re missing a real treat.

  12. Indaba

    Group Captain Mandrake, I second your comment. So hard to speak up against the crowd. Gore’s book tour where even lefties are asking about the oil money purchase of his company. Gore is so large too. What happened? His own greed has overtaken him.

  13. Indaba

    Mask, don’t get me wrong, i am not agreeing with abortion but there is a communicatioon problem. It ain’t working and it is dragging down any election in the future.

    The right needs to know how to deal with what it knows will be asked in every election so the media can get their nasty sound bite. If you listen to the podcast, that is what is being said.

    We have had many discussions on abortion on Ricochet and it gets tiring when the only comment is, it’s a slop bucket of baby, the girl is a sinner. Go read Ricochet and that is too often the first comment out the gate.

    in comparison, there are stories told in a positive light where there is love and appreciation for life such as the Ricochet person who was adopted and the one who chose to have her baby but get it adopted.

    It is far too complex to leave to politicians discussing what seems obvious to them due to their religion, but not to many others who hVe not been exposed to the debate. The neurosurgeon, Dr, Carson, woukd talk about this in an inspiring way. Politicians, not so much.

  14. Stephanie

    Indaba, 

    You made the comment that some claim the vote was dampened due to fear that Conservatives were trying to forbid abortions/contraception.  The Supreme Court settled that long ago and without the Conservative party harping on the issue, most liberals would try, as they always do, to do away with any restrictions on abortion.   Most Dems have consistently tried to eliminate parent notification and the ban on late term abortions and yet, you suggest we should somehow put the issue on the back burner and not emphasize it so much???  I agree with Mask’s comments above that no matter how Conservatives address these issues, they will be twisted by the mainstream media.  In my opinion, they are the problem.  How can any election be fair when the coverage is not objective and honest. 

  15. mask

    James Delingpole pulls out the classic socially liberal, fiscally conservtive line: it’s clear society has moved on and issues like abortion are losers for conservatives and now they must stick to their guns on the winning issue of the economy. On what basis does James conclude we’ve moved left on abortion but haven’t on fiscal matters? If this latest election shows anything it’s that most Americans like the super state and massive deficits.

  16. Indaba

    Yes, the MSM does twist the abortion view very well and it infuriates me. I find it hard to believe my smart American women friends swallow it all.

    The vote was so close. The left did a great job distracting women by fear mongering. 

     Trying to market to a large audience does not work well. So who uses abortion in the USA?

    Freakonomics reports that is mostly black women? Why not take out a Superbowl ad to address that market?

    Or a Superbowl ad with this one blog I saw with a beautiful little child having a birthday and the mother wrote about how glad she was not to make the decision to abort. 

    White male politicians and elections are not the time to discuss it. Now is the time to do something.

    I still find Bill Clinton discussing abortion appalling – why don’t the right attack on that issue and use Bill as the punch line?

  17. mask

    Romney talked about abortion and birth control?The left talked about it the most to create a fake frenzy. Romney also didn’t pay taxes for 10 years and gave some guy’s wife cancer then cancelled their health insurance. Conservative politicians and GOP politicians don’t often talk about abortion at the national level and haven’t for years. Yet we’re constantly told to shut up about it. Even when the left rubs it in our faces.

  18. mask

    The right could approach the social issues in a more positive manner and message better but the left will always have a bigger megaphone and demagogue the issue and twist the right’s position. Indaba’s already demonstrated this in this thread. The right doesn’t want single mothers to twist in the wind but we think families and the local community are better at addressing their issues than a behemoth federal bureaucracy that fosters dependency (something Delingpole has mentioned numerous times).

  19. mask

    So Murray’s basic position is that the government should legally recognize marriage equality but leave churches (and other institutions?) free to have their own view on the matter. What’s the history of private institutions being allowed to keep their own views in opposition to the officially sanctioned super states view? Not good for private institutions. I don’t know about the UK but on this side of the pond pro-traditional marriage proponents are called bigots and pro gay marriage proponents use the legal system and power of the state to compel acceptance at every turn possible.

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