The Hinderaker-Ward Experience
Episode 40: Off The Cliff

Guests: NR's Kevin Williamson and Ricochet member Jeff Petraska
Jan 5, 2013
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This week on the The Hinderaker-Ward Experience, Powerline’s John Hinderaker and Fraters Libertas Brian Ward discuss the fiscal cliff negotiations, Al Gore becomes Al-Jezeera, NR’s Kevin William Williamson stops by talk about the economy and where the Republican party should go from here, and Ricochet member Jeff Petraska reveals next week’s secret phrase. 

Leave this week’s secret phrase in the comments of this post and YOU could be our next member to appear on HWX. 

  1. Sean

    Fiscal cliff, I guess

  2. Edward Smith

    The Fiscal Cliff, I guess, is the last thing I want to either think about to talk about right now.

    So, Sean, have fun on the show.  I look forward to hearing the sound of your voice.  I am heard more than often enough on the AMU’s.

    Mazel Tov, Sean.

  3. Jeff Petraska

    I’m sorry about that choice of phrase, guys.  I had completely forgotten about that part of my responsibility, and the request for the next secret phrase caught me completely unprepared.  All I could come up with were the two words that have been burned into my brain over the last two months.  I thought the guys adding my tentative “I guess…” to the official secret phrase was a nice touch, though.

  4. Yeah...ok.

    I generally enjoy “Kevin William Williamson” but this interview was off-putting; He sounded like a republican politician rather than a conservative pundit.

    He suggested that a high skilled immigrant, taking a job that might be available to an existing citizen, would be a net gain because the immigrant would be performing high skilled production – apparently at an efficiency unattainable by the existing citizen…

    Sorry – I’m still bitter. I thought Obama would lose to anyone with a pulse.

  5. katievs

    I thought Kevin made some great points, especially about our needing to realize that huge blocs of voters are risk averse and resentful about income inequality and the way the system seems to be rigged to favor the clever, unscrupulous and already-rich.  

    But he lost me on immigration.  While he’s talking about the need for Republicans to understand liberals, he should keep in mind the need for libertarian-types to understand social cons.  Because if they don’t, they’ll lose that crucial part of the base.

    To speak of persons as “productive assets” and to draw a line between “highly skilled and productive” people and “uneducated, unproductive” is really repulsive to social cons, as well as to liberals.

    Persons shouldn’t be treated or spoken of as economic units whose worth is tied to their economic productivity.  It’s de-personalizing and inhumane and it explains why no matter how inarguably beneficially our economic ideas and proposals may be, we will come across as the party who care more about money than people.  Which will drive away a key chuck of the base.

  6. Sean

    Unless you believe in a scenario of zero immigration, legal & illegal, the optimal scenario is one with a balance tilted heavily towards highly skilled productive immigrants and away from the stereotypical illiterate, unskilled, uneducated ones, is it not?

    Yeah…ok.: I generally enjoy “Kevin William Williamson” but this interview was off-putting; He sounded like a republican politician rather than a conservative pundit.

    He suggested that a high skilled immigrant, taking a job that might be available to an existing citizen, would be a net gain because the immigrant would be performing high skilled production – apparently at an efficiency unattainable by the existing citizen…

    Sorry – I’m still bitter. I thought Obama would lose to anyone with a pulse. · 23 minutes ago

  7. Sean
    katievs:

    Persons shouldn’t be treated or spoken of as economic units whose worth is tied to their economic productivity.  It’s de-personalizing and inhumane and it explains why no matter how inarguably beneficially our economic ideas and proposals may be, we will come across as the party who care more about money than people.  Which will drive away a key chuck of the base. · 2 hours ago

    It is also basic economics – the supply & demand for units of labor.

  8. katievs
    Sean

    katievs:

    Persons shouldn’t be treated or spoken of as economic units whose worth is tied to their economic productivity.  It’s de-personalizing and inhumane and it explains why no matter how inarguably beneficially our economic ideas and proposals may be, we will come across as the party who care more about money than people.  Which will drive away a key chuck of the base. · 2 hours ago

    It is also basic economics – the supply & demand for units of labor. 

    I know it’s basic economics.  The problem is reducing people to economic units.  Economics is made for man and not man for economics.

  9. Last Outpost on the Right

    Fiscal Cliff, I guess!

    Like katievs, I found the bit on the risk averse population eye-opening. Those that have grown up poor have a tendency to gravitate towards what seems like a sure thing, even if the facts say otherwise.

  10. Speed Gibson

    I wish I could be as optimistic as your guest was, at least nationally.  Can there be any doubt that Low Information Voters now outnumber the rest of us?  Even if reality later bites them, they won’t know how to channel their anger, muttering something about the Fiscal Cliff, I guess.

    Here in Minnesota, maybe there is a silver lining in total DFL control.  I see no adults in the Dayton-Bakk-Thissen room, all more chippy than thoughtful.  If the budget stays below $45 billion, there’s bound to be many unhappy Democrats by summer.   But the Strib (Mpls paper) is already painting this as “productive friction” not the usual “partisan” “on the backs of…” “…phobic” labels pasted on Republicans.

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