Need To Know with Mona Charen and Jay Nordlinger
Episode 40: Evil Race Baiting

National Review's Mona Charen and Jay Nordlinger
Jul 19, 2013
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Well, that’s where Jay and Mona begin this week’s Need To Know. But they also take a detour into the related disaster called Detroit, are agree that the kind of politics practiced by Sharpton, MSNBC, and the rest is really quite indistinguishable from the disastrous path Coleman Young and others took. The result is destruction. 

They also discuss the Walmart controversy in DC, where there’s a glimmer of good news, recall the sequestration debate of a few months ago and reflect on the total collapse of Obama’s argument. Mona reveals the moment when she was tempted to become a Catholic, and we close with the royal family of Great Britain. Listen in!

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  1. Daniel Sattelberger

    Mona, Jay, I can only partially agree with you on white Hispanic.  The NYT didn’t, so far as I know, make up the term out of whole cloth, though they did misuse it, and I suspect you’re correct about their motives.

    The first thing to understand is that Hispanic isn’t a racial category – though it’s used alongside actual racial categories like black and white – it’s cultural, and all races can fit in it.

    Just as blacks and whites in America, at least from a distance, pretty recognizably belong to an American culture, in Latin America there are descendants of white settlers from Spain and Portugal, descendants of black slaves from Africa, and descendants of the Natives, but they all have a recognizably similar culture.

    Historically in Latin America, there have been pretty stark racial divides, so the concept, at least, of white, Indian, and black Hispanics definitely exists, though I’m not sure the terms themselves are that widely used.

    As I understand it, the term would correctly refer to someone from Latin America of European descent, not someone with one Anglo parent and one Hispanic parent like Zimmerman.

  2. Sabrdance

    Elaborating on Dan -”Hispanic” is an ethnicity, not a race.  Depending on the definition you are using, anyone with an Iberian (or specifically Spanish) surname in the family tree qualifies, but these days it’s usually restricted to people from Spanish speaking Latin America (ie: Brazilians aren’t Hispanic, they speak Portugese, but again, it depends on the definition.)  You can even have Asian-Hispanics (Alberto Fujiori probably being the most famous one).

  3. Yeah...ok.

    If Trayvon was the son of Barry would Obama advised him that he should not bring a knife to a gun fight. In fact, the WSJ photos of Tray date back to this quote.

    Why isn’t Holder investigating why Trayvon’s crimes were whitewashed to improve crime stats?

    All this race hustling only pushes white people away from black people. That doesn’t help anyone.

  4. Umbra Fractus
    Dan:

    As I understand it, the term would correctly refer to someone from Latin America of European descent, not someone with one Anglo parent and one Hispanic parent like Zimmerman. · 15 hours ago

    As I understand it, even if they had used the term correctly, it still wouldn’t apply to Zimmerman, whose Hispanic ancestry is mostly indigenous.

  5. Nick Stuart

    Imagine racial tensions are a guitar string. Every day politicians (Obama, Holder), hustlers (Sharpton, Jackson), and media (Matthews) tighten it a little bit.

    The modus operandi of the Left is to push, push, push, and push some more. Sooner or later, there will be a serious pushback. Eventually the string will snap. When it does it won’t be pretty.

    Stoking racial tensions will be a major theme of 2014. Quoting Andrew McCarthy:

    What we saw from Holder and Sebelius this week is the ugly start of a wickedly divisive enterprise.

  6. Skarv

    Good show but Mona and Jay need segway training from James. 

  7. Mona Charen
    C

    Skarv, I wouldn’t presume to compete with James on elegant segways or segues. Re “Hispanic” I agree that it has very little meaning. It’s certainly not a racial category, and hardly an ethnicity since it embraces so many disparate groups. Frankly, I think we ‘re oversold on race as a category too. What’s black? Is it having one black parent? How about one black grandparent (in which case I believe George Zimmerman would qualify)? All of this racial quantifying smacks of fascism to me. Didn’t we conclude, along about 1970, that the “one drop” rule was the ultimate racist offense? Now it’s policy? 

  8. Hartmann von Aue
    Mona Charen: Skarv, I wouldn’t presume to compete with James on elegant segways or segues. Re “Hispanic” I agree that it has very little meaning. It’s certainly not a racial category, and hardly an ethnicity since it embraces so many disparate groups. Frankly, I think we ‘re oversold on race as a category too. What’s black? Is it having one black parent? How about one black grandparent (in which case I believe George Zimmerman would qualify)? All of this racial quantifying smacks of fascism to me. Didn’t we concluce, along about 1970, that the “one drop” rule was the ultimate racist offense? Now it’s policy?  · 6 minutes ago

    It’s the American left’s version of the Nuremberg Laws. 

  9. Speed Gibson

    Mona and Jay’s analysis of the Zimmerman trial and Detroit amazing lucid, so good I’m burning a CD for my far left pastor.  One of the best Ricochet podcasts ever.

  10. CygnusA81

    Mona and Jay

    I would have to disagree with your view of DC. Personally Mona, you should know better since you live in the area. DC has a lot of bad policies, but the lack of entrepreneurship isn’t one of them.

    Now DC is a tale of two two towns, the creative class and the working class. Now the former is mostly white and the latter is mostly black. DC is booming in the high end services while working people are suffering in the city. Wal-Mart would have served the Wards where gentrification is limited to non-existent. The problem, like usual are Liberal Whites who hate Wal-Mart. They would rather have poor people on the government dole then have jobs or buy stuff at low prices because they believe most people (not them of course) buy too much stuff.

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