GLoP Culture with Goldberg, Long, and Podhoretz
Episode 9: Central Casting Mayors

Jonah Goldberg, Rob Long, and John Podhoretz
Feb 8, 2013
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The three musketeers of media politics return. This week, they discuss the passing of Ed Koch, chain stores on the Upper West Side, Barnes and Noble as the bad guy, the changing business model of show biz, conservatives on cable, billionaires who buy studios, conservative movies, and of course — Oscar picks!

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Thanks to Hizzoner EJHill.

  1. RightinChicago

    Hey EJHill…  Did you photoshop young Howie Mandel, with a wig, on the far right, or is that a real person?

  2. EJHill

    No Howie… It’s just the 70s were a *cough* wonderful time…

  3. kylez

    i didn’t get that romney joke from the Al Smith dinner. what does Obama have to watch out for?

  4. Belt

    If you insist on calling it GLoP, I won’t object.  But how about something like ‘GoLoPo’ – at least that has a hint of romance about it…

  5. jeffp

    Why wouldn’t the winning business model for CNN be to aim to revive Crossfire but infuse it with the tone of NPR? (Okay, a notch less effete.) Recruit the strongest commentators available, conservative and liberal alike, and put them in vigorous but civil conversation with each other. Sell the network as the place you go for healthy, open debate where the facts decide; the honest broker that lets strong advocates for both sides have their say but where conversations don’t routinely descend into shouting matches. You’d cede the people who just tune in to see their side victorious to Fox (where the conservative Globetrotters nightly score points against Fox’s liberal Washington Generals) and MSNBC (where panels of liberals declare all conservatives insane racists night after night). But you’d capture an audience of people who enjoy vigorous, substantive, civil debate. If anyone at CNN sees the promise in this, you can contact me through Ricochet. :-)

  6. Mr Tall

    Great episode — the more you three can get down into the sea changes that drive the ephemeral waves on the beach, the more this podcast gains an identity as something special. 

  7. CitizenOfTheRepublic

    No one….noooooo one can use more words to say less than JPod.

    Jonah is brilliant, as always.

  8. Wylee Coyote

    What happened to calling it “Two and a Half Mensches”? I always loved that.

  9. Owl of Minerva

    I enjoyed this last bit you guys did on conservative media. It seems lots of folks who want “conservative” programming really do want what you called “agitprop,” or movies proclaiming from on high the principles of conservatism. I’m a bit of squish like Rob, and what I would like to see are movies (if we have to stick with one format) that speak to deeper questions of life from a conservative perspective.

    The most famous example recently was the Christopher Nolan Dark Knight series on confronting radical evil after conventional legal measure fail. The Lord of the Rings trilogy did a great job bringing ideas of personal sacrifice and the glamor of evil to the forefront. Seth Rogen likes to joke that Judd Apatow (40 Year Old Virgin, Knocked Up) makes right-wing movies with left-wing comedy. On TV, Downton Abbey is not the old BBC class war of the corrupt upstairs and virtuous, hardworking downstairs. Plenty of conservative-leaning popular novels and histories do well.

    Only by the measure that doctrinaire conservatism (whatever that is) does not appear to be directly translated to film and stays in the top 5 for months does conservatism appear to fail.

  10. Mr Tall

    Here’s my theory on why ‘conservative’ movies and other cultural productions so often don’t work.

    The left controls such vast swathes of the public square that they can afford to be cavalier with their ‘agitprop’: a seemingly throwaway line in a movie; a ‘very special episode’ of a sitcom that causes no great cultural stir, but many kids watch and remember; newscast after newscast about news that might be pro-conservative or that would hurt the liberal cause that simply never air . . . .

    So when conservatives try to counteract this great creeping swamp of liberal bias, they feel too much urgency: this movie can’t just have one line that makes our point — we’ve got to lay out our whole vision! Otherwise people might miss it! This is our one chance this year . . . . and so ‘agitprop’ is born.

    In sum, conservatives often overstate (not always — but often) because they feel the urgency of having so much catching up to do.

  11. Sean
    Belt: If you insist on calling it GLoP, I won’t object.  But how about something like ‘GoLoPo’ – at least that has a hint of romance about it… · 16 hours ago

    I still like GoldPoLo

  12. Butters

    Mr Tall is right, the left is able to insert their ideology casually into the culture, which is far more effective.

    As Breitbart would say, this has made liberalism the default position. If you’ve never thought about the issues, you default to the left. You have to be intellectually curious and contrarian to be conservative.

  13. Butters

    The flaw in Podhoretz’s “don’t push people out” argument is the only politicians capable of persuading voters to vote GOP are conservative.

    Romney couldn’t make the argument, while Paul/Cruz/Rubio/Ryan/Walker/Jindal/Reagan can.

    The problem with Lugar wasn’t his voting record per se, it was that he actively undermined our side’s arguments and was annointed by the media to represent our side (as all RINOs are).

  14. EJHill

    OK… if everybody on Ricochet sends me 15¢ every month…

  15. Rob Long
    C
    Mr Tall: Here’s my theory on why ‘conservative’ movies and other cultural productions so often don’t work.

    The left controls such vast swathes of the public square that they can afford to be cavalier with their ‘agitprop’: a seemingly throwaway line in a movie; a ‘very special episode’ of a sitcom that causes no great cultural stir, but many kids watch and remember; newscast after newscast about news that might be pro-conservative or that would hurt the liberal cause that simply never air . . . .

    So when conservatives try to counteract this great creeping swamp of liberal bias, they feel too much urgency: this movie can’t just have one line that makes our point — we’ve got to lay out our whole vision! Otherwise people might miss it! This is our one chance this year . . . . and so ‘agitprop’ is born.

    In sum, conservatives often overstate (not always — but often) because they feel the urgency of having so much catching up to do. · 14 hours ago

    Edited 14 hours ago

    I think this is exactly it.  It reminds me of what Erick Erickson said on our podcast Wednesday: we need to relearn how to laugh and mock the left. 

  16. Duane Oyen
    Sean

    Belt: If you insist on calling it GLoP, I won’t object.  But how about something like ‘GoLoPo’ – at least that has a hint of romance about it… · 16 hours ago

    I still like GoldPoLo · 1 hour ago

    Knock it off!  Stop ruining my favorite Glop name!  Glop glop glop it shall ever be!

  17. Frederick Key
    Blue Yeti: Frederick, 

    I see the episode in iTunes (see below). Not sure why you’re not. Perhaps try unsubscribing and then re-subscribing? · 17 minutes ago

    Frederick Key: Still looking for this to come up in iTunes. Has Apple been snowed out? · 4 minutes ago

    Edited 14 minutes ago

    Thanks, Yeti — it comes up if you subscribe, but if you’re just looking at the files available, “Trillion Dollar Coins” is still the most recent one listed.

  18. EJHill
    Blue Yeti: Don’t think so. We were using that name  internally for weeks before the show launched (and Rob hated it then too) .

    Dishing backstage secrets!
  19. It often takes Apple a few days to update that page. We have no control over that, unfortunately. 

    Frederick Key

    Blue Yeti: Frederick, 

    I see the episode in iTunes (see below). Not sure why you’re not. Perhaps try unsubscribing and then re-subscribing? · 17 minutes ago

    Frederick Key: Still looking for this to come up in iTunes. Has Apple been snowed out? · 4 minutes ago

    Edited 14 minutes ago

    Thanks, Yeti — it comes up if you subscribe, but if you’re just looking at the files available, “Trillion Dollar Coins” is still the most recent one listed. · 29 minutes ago

  20. That is awesome. I wish I could share the chain of emails that go on between myself, Senik, Epstein, and Yoo to schedule the next show and discussing potential topics. They are legendary. 

    EJHill

    Blue Yeti: Don’t think so. We were using that name  internally for weeks before the show launched (and Rob hated it then too) .

    Dishing backstage secrets! · 26 minutes ago

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