This video is very funny. (Funny, as Homer Simpson would say, because it's true). It is also, technically speaking, racist. Unless, of course, you're one of those people who think racism is something of which only white people can be capable. But I doubt that's likely. This is Ricochet, not HuffPo, after all

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Mel Foil
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etoiledunord

I found it disrespectful to the voluntarily ignorant among us, but kind of true, and certainly not racist.

flownover
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Aug '10
flownover

Maybe this kind of racism is more easily comprehended.

When it is vociferously defended by this guy

ericholder

, then surely you can comprehend what is going on. 

So much for the insitutional side of things. Now for the favorite racist videos ....

http://youtu.be/Onov-nMMvlA

SEIU Beating Down Kenneth Gladney, and the City fired his brother from his job the day before Christmas.

Guess the Government is the biggest racist in America. John Conyers called the State of Michigan racist when they suggested an emergency manager should run Detroit after years of black governance at the city level has resulted in virtual bankruptcy, scandal, multiple indictments of officials (Conyer's wife included), and even the mysterious shooting of a stripper who once performed in the official Mayoral mansion for the Mayor (also indicted). 

Racism ? They  have lost track of racism in a fog of victimhood and kleptocracy.

Edited on Jan 5 at 8:03am
Aaron Miller
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Aaron Miller

Stereotypes are not the same as racism. Racism is believing any person of a race must have particular psychological features. A stereotype simply acknowledges common patterns. It acknowledges likelihood of certain features based on race combined with how a person dresses, moves and talks.

This video isn't racist. Every nation has subcultures which often follow racial lines, due to cultural ancestry.

Anyway, pretty funny.

Another funny one is Chris Rock's "Black People vs [plural of the N word].". Blacks make fun of "white" cultures all the time, so I have no sympathy.

[Editor's note: the actual title of the routine falls outside of Ricochet's CoC]

Edited on Jan 5 at 9:34am

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Anon

Aaron Miller: Stereotypes are not the same as racism.

Surely, you joke.  Try removing stereotype from a racist comment.


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Guruforhire

 I think someone did a montage of the accusations of racism against bush's 2001 attempts to reform fanny and freddy.

Rex Mottram
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Rex Mottram

Anon

Aaron Miller: Stereotypes are not the same as racism.

Surely, you joke.  Try removing stereotype from a racist comment.

Jan 5 at 7:34am

I can stereotype Southerners, investment bankers, children, etc.  None of this has anything to do with race. 

KarlUB
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Dec '10
KarlUB

I actually didn't think it was very funny.

The alleged humor is predicated on the assumption that the things these white girls "say" are somehow inappropriate. Otherwise it would not be allegedly funny. But for the most part I did not think any of those things were remotely inappropriate. Hence the video isn't funny. To me.

In fact, to assume any of those things were inappropriate is to implicitly criticize these fictional white girls for being frank, polite, and tolerant about race. Which is what the PC factions tell those white girls they are supposed to do.

The real takeaway, here, is that the comic has never run into something genuinely racist that she could plausibly write into this sketch and mine for laughs. Also, almost anything a white person does in the PC minefield can be interpreted as racist if the audience elects to deem it so. It is a variation on Derb's anarcho-tyranny.

For the record: I love almost all ethnic humor. This was pretend, PC ethnic humor. It sounded to me like the comic was, actually, terrified of saying anything that actually could be construed as racist.

James Delingpole

Actually, you know what @karlUB? I kind of agree with you that it's not funny. Not in a laugh out loud way, that is. I think rather what I like about it is that she's very, very good at being blonde and that this is nicely done observational comedy. I don't read into anything much deeper than that. And if I were a blonde American girl I wouldn't feel like I was being got at, particularly.

Aaron Miller
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Aaron Miller

It's not what she says, but how she says it. The "blonde" voice and mannerisms.

Tommy De Seno

I found some of the things she was saying, which she intended to be racist, to not be racist. 

Related:   Whoopie Golberg does her "dumb white girl" routine frequently.    Yet she quite seriously claims Black people may use the n word but White people may not; not even in the sentence, "The word [n] is a hurtful term."

When she is on that topic, I would love to see someone tell her that she is never allowed to parody white girl stereotypes again, but white comedians are.  It's precisely her logic.

[Programming note: in other venues I would actually type the full n word since I'm obviously not using it as a racist tag, but I don't know Ricochet's position on that]

thelonious
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thelonious

KarlUB: I actually didn't think it was very funny.

The alleged humor is predicated on the assumption that the things these white girls "say" are somehow inappropriate. Otherwise it would not be allegedly funny. But for the most part I did not think any of those things were remotely inappropriate. Hence the video isn't funny. To me.

In fact, to assume any of those things were inappropriate is to implicitly criticize these fictional white girls for being frank, polite, and tolerant about race. Which is what the PC factions tell those white girls they are supposed to do.

So telling a black person that their hair feels like a brillo pad isn't inappropriate?  Common decency isn't a form of political correctness. I also find it cringe worthy when white people try to act black around black people. 

Keith Preston
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Keith Preston

thelonious

So telling a black person that their hair feels like a brillo pad isn't inappropriate?  Common decency isn't a form of political correctness. I also find it cringe worthy when white people try to act black around black people.  · Jan 5 at 8:07am

Sometimes, it's hard to tell the difference.  Could Gene Wilder's hilarious attempt to pass as "black" in Silver Streak, (with Richard Pryor's deft coaching)...be racist?

Edited on Jan 5 at 8:38am
Give Me Liberty
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Give Me Liberty

thelonious 

So telling a black person that their hair feels like a brillo pad isn't inappropriate?  Common decency isn't a form of political correctness. I also find it cringe worthy when white people try to act black around black people.  · Jan 5 at 8:07am

Is trying to act Black racist?  Is it racist to acknowledge that there is a Black way of acting?  Is using the term Black to describe a group of people racist?  I have had high school students tell me it is.  Is it racist to say that Black people are good at basketball but not racist to say that Asians are good at math?

I prefer to follow MLK's focus on the content of one's character not the color of one's skin but that doesn't seem to be as much fun for race-baiting comedians, or profitable for the race hustlers.  And I am now a racist according to the left's definition for pointing that out.

Edited on Jan 5 at 8:38am
thelonious
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thelonious

Keith Preston

thelonious

So telling a black person that their hair feels like a brillo pad isn't inappropriate?  Common decency isn't a form of political correctness. I also find it cringe worthy when white people try to act black around black people.  · Jan 5 at 8:07am

Sometimes, it's hard to tell the difference.  Could Gene Wilder's hilarious attempt to pass as "black" in Silver Streak, (with Richard Pryor's deft coaching)...be racist? · Jan 5 at 8:33am

Edited on Jan 05 at 08:38 am

In a weird way when a white person acts "black" it's often times an admiration of black culture.  Unfortunatly it comes across as awkwardly as Gene Wilder in Silver Streak.  Unfortunatly not as funny.

Tommy De Seno

thelonious

 

In a weird way when a white person acts "black" it's often times an admiration of black culture.  Unfortunatly it comes across as awkwardly as Gene Wilder in Silver Streak.  Unfortunatly not as funny. · Jan 5 at 8:58am

I grew up in a predominately Black neighborhood.   Acting "Black" is often a method of assimilation when in that position (I never did, but other Whites and Puerto Ricans in our school certainly did).

Also, I've maintained that Blacks do lead in much of American Pop Culture, particularly in music and slang (going all the way back to jazz).  Whites follow.

Particularly with slang. I've noticed that Black people come up with it and it's cool.  White people start saying it, making it inauthentic and therefore un-cool, and Blacks then have the burden of coming up with something else.

George Jefferson was funny when he said "Jive Turkey."  "Jive" became rather nerdy when we started using it.

See also:  "Oh no you di'int"   "girlfriend" and various shakes of the head with accompanying finger snaps.

 

Give Me Liberty
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Give Me Liberty
Michael
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Michael

thelonious

 

In a weird way when a white person acts "black" it's often times an admiration of black culture...

In A Renegade History of the United States, Russell argues that one reason why jazz music and "Negro imitators" were so popular in the 1930s was that Whites envied the ability of Blacks to enjoy life, notwithstanding their hardships.  Any validity to this?

KarlUB
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KarlUB

thelonious

So telling a black person that their hair feels like a brillo pad isn't inappropriate?  Common decency isn't a form of political correctness. I also find it cringe worthy when white people try to act black around black people.  · Jan 5 at 8:07a

If that person's hair indeed feels like a brillo pad, it is not racist. Is it impolite? Maybe. But it isn't inappropriate enough to serve as a sturdy peg for humor.

As for mirroring one's audience, I think I understand what you're saying. But when I find myself in Minnesota, I do find my vowels broadening. And our President and Secretary of State certainly don't mind mirroring-- intentionally, in contrast to me and the Minnesotans-- what they suspect to be the patois of their audiences. So I am not sure this phenomenon is intentionally hurtful in any way, and I don't much have time for people who find offense where clearly none is intended.

By and large, though, I am making a performance point, here: This montage is not funny because it isn't racist. Or, at least, not racist enough to be funny.

R. Craigen
Joined
Nov '10
R. Craigen

You shouldn't talk about the gangstas carrying ghetto blasters.

Because, as everyone knows, "ghetto blaster" is a stereo type.


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BThompson
Tommy De Seno I've noticed that Black people come up with it and it's cool.  White people start saying it, making it inauthentic and therefore un-cool, and Blacks then have the burden of coming up with something else.

Will we never stop oppressing them?!  ;)


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