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Cobalt Blue
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Jul '11
Cobalt Blue

Unfortunately, this probably comes as a surprise to no one, although it is sobering to see how blatant is the attempt to re-write history. We've been hearing for more than a year now how Romney understands that the Massachusetts plan would not be viable for the country as a whole, but apparently he didn't feel that way until the abomination of Obamacare was passed. We just don't need this level of duplicity in this cycle.

Larry Koler
Joined
Jun '10
Larry Koler

It's too bad he just didn't fess up a long time ago on this subject. But to "fess up" one must actually come to Jesus.

Pseudodionysius
Joined
Sep '10
Pseudodionysius

Help Wanted:

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The King Prawn
Joined
Dec '10
The King Prawn

 Personally I'd like to see the sniping stop. Lay your record out honestly and let us evaluate your worth. We're a pretty smart bunch, we don't need you to explain things to us.

Erik Larsen
Joined
Jan '11
Erik Larsen

 Meh, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but this vid lost me at less than 30 seconds

ParisParamus
Joined
May '10
ParisParamus

Meh^2.  Is this all Perry's got?  This looks like the first "draft" of an ad that needs lots of work.

Perhaps it doesn't take much to become a somewhat conservative governor in a state of largely conservative voters.  Perhaps it doesn't take much to move from Lt. Gov to Gov. when the Gov you served under became President.  Perhaps  Rick Perry was dealt four aces, and played that hand and didn't screw it up.  Maybe five aces?

Well, that's what it now looks like.  When does this guy start putting Romney in his place; his socialist place?

Edited on Sep 26, 2011 at 11:21pm
Stuart Creque
Joined
Dec '10
Stuart Creque

Perry could make quite a few ads on this theme. Mitt has reversed himself on several issues of substance over the years. And we've seen that this line of attack can be quite effective against tall politicians from Massachusetts: Perry may start saying that Mitt was for ObamaCare before he was against it....

Andrew
Joined
Sep '10
Andrew

Check out Thomas Sowell' thoughtful article at. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/09/27/superman_vs_warm_body_111483.html .We all like TS don't we?

Todd
Joined
Oct '10
Todd

Awful. He's not exactly breaking new ground here.  Everyone knows that Romney will say anything and reverse his positions at will.  

Edited on Sep 27, 2011 at 5:01am
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iWc
Joined
Mar '11
iWc

Todd: Awful. He's not exactly breaking new ground here.  Everyone knows that Romney will say anything and reverse his positions at will.   · Sep 27 at 5:00am

Edited on Sep 27 at 05:01 am

If everyone knew it. Romney would not be considered a top-two candidate.

K T Cat
Joined
Sep '10
K T Cat

This is grade school finger pointing and tattling.  I'd expect it of Romney, who I think is a rancid weasel, but coming from Perry, it's disheartening.  Perry's state totally dominated the rest of the country in job creation and he makes an ad pointing out a sentence retraction by Romney?  Sad.

Freeven
Joined
Dec '10
Freeven

Stephen Hayes recently observed that Perry's problem is not so much that his actions were indefensible, but rather that he hasn't defended them, choosing instead to suggest that those who disagree are racist and heartless. Just as conservatives are right to challenge Perry on his record, they are right to be put off when he resorts to insult rather that reason to defend it. Many of us are actively pulling for Perry, wanting to cut him some slack, looking for reasons to get on board. He's just making it too difficult.

To my mind, Romney's record is even weaker, and his explanations have been equally unsatisfactory. For several reasons, Romney hasn't taken as big a hit for this. First, because he hasn't hasn't been challenged as directly and relentlessly as Perry (partly because Perry has been as feckless at challenging Romney's record as he has been at defending his own). Second, because many of us long ago concluded that Romney is not a conservative, and so we were never expecting a satisfactory explanation. And finally, Romney has had the savvy to avoid dismissing his detractors as heartless racists.

Paul A. Rahe

I think that the advertisement serves a real purpose. It poses a simple question. Is Romney for or against the individual mandate? He was and is for it in Massachusetts. He was once for it nationally. Where does he stand now? And, if he has changed his mind, on what grounds did he change it? To adjust to public sentiment? Because he had a real change of heart? So far, in the debates, he has gotten a free pass. Perry's advertisement is not impressive, alas. Nor was he impressive in the debates. But the question is serious, and it comes down to this: Is Romney opposed on principle to forcing people to buy something they do not want? In other words, is he a social engineer out to run our lives for our betterment? Or is he a principled conservative, dedicated to limited government -- i.e., to government that is vigorous in its proper sphere and absent where it does not belong? Is he Obama-lite? And should we settle for Obama-lite? It sure beats Obama-heavy.

K T Cat
Joined
Sep '10
K T Cat

You know what this ad makes me think?  Just this: Herman Cain for president.

Larry Koler
Joined
Jun '10
Larry Koler
Paul A. Rahe: ... It poses a simple question. Is Romney for or against the individual mandate? He was and is for it in Massachusetts. He was once for it nationally. Where does he stand now? And, if he has changed his mind, on what grounds did he change it? To adjust to public sentiment? Because he had a real change of heart? So far, in the debates, he has gotten a free pass. Perry's advertisement is not impressive, alas. Nor was he impressive in the debates. But the question is serious, and it comes down to this: Is Romney opposed on principle to forcing people to buy something they do not want? In other words, is he a social engineer out to run our lives for our betterment? Or is he a principled conservative, dedicated to limited government -- i.e., to government that is vigorous in its proper sphere and absent where it does not belong? ...

Thanks, Paul, for defining what "coming to Jesus" actually means. 

This is the problem: He needs to explain his present state of mind clearly and show his rationale. He needs to show remorse if he wants to be forgiven. This worries me.

concerned citizen
Joined
May '10
concerned citizen

So Romney is being held to account for instituting a state-wide universal health care program in a deep blue state where the voters wanted it.

And Perry is being held to account for his soft, liberal, immigration policies in a border state with lots of Hispanic voters who wanted them.

I am not excusing either governor.  These are big concerns, and valid criticisms.  They both need to stand up and defend their records.  But I would suggest that the two governors aren't so different after all.

Stuart Creque
Joined
Dec '10
Stuart Creque

Paul, the ad also addresses Romney's character. Romney's specific choice to say, "Words have meanings," was an attempt to wrap himself in the mantle of rock-ribbed integrity. By accusing Perry of lying about the change in Romney's book, Mitt invited this ad that shows that he was lying and Perry was telling the truth. Perry could have scored a big debate point by responding to Romney's indignant denial with a quiet, "Governor, right after this debate, I will show the American people the proof of what I said about your book. They will then know which one of us tells the truth and stands by his words."

James Gawron
Joined
Dec '10
James Gawron

concerned citizen: So Romney is being held to account for instituting a state-wide universal health care program in a deep blue state where the voters wanted it.

And Perry is being held to account for his soft, liberal, immigration policies in a border state with lots of Hispanic voters who wanted them.

I am not excusing either governor.  These are big concerns, and valid criticisms.  They both need to stand up and defend their records.  But I would suggest that the two governors aren't so different after all. · Sep 27 at 8:57am

Your observation is correct.  No experienced Governer of any State is going to have a perfect track record.  After a period of adjustment (while Herman Cain takes a bite out of Obama) Perry should come back out into the fray.  He must differentiate himself on his problem issue and make it clear that he does not support what Obama supports or anything close.  That is how Romney handled RomneyCare.  I think Gd will be forgiving. Forgiveness is not purely logical from the human point of view.  It is part our actions and the rest up to Gd.  I'm glad you became concerned.


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