Whoop! There It Is... Obama/Clinton 2012
Western Chauvinist ·
Aug 16, 2011 at 5:13pm
No need to be a soothsayer to see this one coming. The only mystery... will she say "yes"?
Hillary for VP: Obama's Best Hope for Re-election? by Richard Benedetto at RCP
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Sep '10
Re: Whoop! There It Is... Obama/Clinton 2012
I'm 99% sure Biden won't be on the ticket. Whether it will be Hillary is a more complicated prediction. Of course, Hillary having ruled out interest in a VP slot is meaningless. Whether Hillary wants to associate herself with Obama at this point and take the chance of going down losing is another factor. Does Obama want the Clinton clan that close to him?
Nov '10
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I think it's more likely that Clinton will threaten a Primary challenge and buy Obama out with an offer of the VP slot. It would make for one of the most interesting power inversions in Democrat policy.
Clinton is probably more viable than Obama in a race against a generic Republican, because (whether or not it is true) she has the optics of being more centrist. Her Voronoi Cell is larger.
In which case it would have made an interesting race to pit Clinton/Obama versus Palin/Cain. I'm just sayin'. In any case while objectively it would be the first race that could not arguably be about race or gender, I am 100% assured that the "progressives" would regressively decide that the presence of two women and two black men in the race actually means that it is completely about race and gender.
Night is day! Black is, er ... you get the idea.
Nov '10
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I'm no particular admirer of either Clinton, but my personal opinion is that not only has Hillary got larger cojones than Barack, she can even pronounce "cojones" correctly, which will serve her well with a big piece of the Dem constituency.
Dec '10
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I'm confused. After four years, shouldn't he be taking the training wheels off, instead of putting them on?
Jan '11
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Hillary knows a sinking ship when she sees it. No way she gets herself dragged down.
Jan '11
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Lady MacBeth wants to be the top of the ticket and she's cunning enough not to get this losers stink on her. With Obama getting 80+% of the black vote, there's no way she'd try it.
Nov '10
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Never underestimate the disdain and loathing most of the Democratic power brokers have for the Clintons. Read Heilemann and Halperin's Game Change for an eye-popping analysis of how and why Ted Kennedy and Harry Reid went out of their way to encourage and support BO in his run for the presidency.
Joe Biden is not the problem and everybody knows it.
Aug '11
Re: Whoop! There It Is... Obama/Clinton 2012
Knowing that Hillary is a consumate strategist, you have to know that she is mulling all options. If Obama replaces Biden with Hillary, it makes him look vulnerable (unless Biden uses an old trick and pleads illness or something similar) and unable to win a second term without bringing back women voters. If she does join the team, it positions Clinton for 2016. However, knowing that she got her er..ummm..hat handed to her in 2008 by Obama, she might let him go down in flames. In this election, all the old conventional wisdoms will not apply, and I believe that this particular election will be one for the record books and hopefully fun to watch.
Oct '10
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Does anyone recall that Hillary stated that her stint in the State Dept. would be her last involvement in politics ? To watch her recent performances do indicate burnout.
Then again, the current situation does present a myraid of possibilities.
What is amusing in a way, the statements made about those that challenged the policies of the Democratic Party were just Bitter Clingers...
Rather like the pot calling the kettle black...
Dec '10
Re: Whoop! There It Is... Obama/Clinton 2012
I'm guessing Hillary is very well aligned with Obama ideologically -- much less pragmatic and much further to the left than her husband. She wrote a senior thesis on Alinsky, did she not?
I also think she is either suffering the abused wife syndrome or she is unwilling to give up her presidential aspirations, because there is little else to explain why she has stuck with Obama despite all the humiliations she has suffered as Secretary of State. VDH has written frequently about how brilliantly Obama marginalized her in the position. I've never been a fan, but even I was embarrassed for her and wondered why she didn't quit.
I agree she has some very complicated calculus to consider. She doesn't want to be on the ticket with a loser. Will she have another chance in 2016 if Obama loses, or will she still have the fire in her belly if they win? Wouldn't she rather have a Supreme Court nomination? Maybe if she helps get Obama re-elected, she can leverage an SC nod. Interesting - no?
One thing I know... unless he drops out himself, Obama will ask her to run as VP.
Edited on Apr 22 at 6:19amDec '10
Re: Whoop! There It Is... Obama/Clinton 2012
I would have thought the same, until she stayed loyal to Obama through all the humiliations. Now, I think there's something else going on. Not sure what.
Aug '10
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Dudes, in a time where Democrats are comparing Obama to Carter and Republicans are saying that isn't fair to Carter anything can happen. Even Hillary as VP.
I even argued that there are 3 things that have to happen for Hillary to mount a primary challenge to Obama, but I now realize that isn't likely to happen. The only case where a sitting president faced a primary challenge and that challenger went on to win the White House was when Ronald Reagan challenged Gerald Ford (and lost) then went on to win the White House against Pres Carter (who defeated a challenge by Edward Moore Kennedy)
Nov '10
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WC, this is very much beside the point! She (and her sorry excuse for a husband) are disliked intensely by their fellow "brethren."
Apr '11
Re: Whoop! There It Is... Obama/Clinton 2012
The thought of Clinton running for president with Obama as her running mate also crossed my mind. I don't think it very likely; but I'm also not going to rule it out as a possibility. It would certainly make for a very interesting campaign.
Edited on Aug 17, 2011 at 12:30amSep '10
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Can't really see this happening - inviting the Clintons into his Administration would be the ultimate sign of weakness (remember, it will NEVER look like you're just hiring one of them), and I sense a certain degree of genuine disdain between both camps.
Much more likely he chooses a guy like Ed Rendell, who was very popular and hails from a swing state that will likely be very close in 2012. Oh yea, and he can, you know, actually connect with people...
I still think we're going to win in a landslide, but an Obama / Rendell ticket does give me pause (provided, of course, someone like Gov. Rendell doesn't primary the guy).
Jun '10
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Hillary Clinton is not Mr. Obama's best hope for re-election. His best hope is the faint hope that somehow his Republican opponent self-destructs. In fact, it's Obama's only hope at this point.
Dec '10
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OK - but, maybe his second-best hope? My mother, a life-long Catholic and FDR Democrat, rationalized her vote for Obama as a vote against "that woman" Sarah Palin. I could easily see her rationalizing another vote for Obama as retribution for Hillary's 2008 primary loss. I know... "rational" thinking isn't really involved here, but Hillary brings a certain portion of the electorate as the wronged-woman. And she brings all that "reset" foreign policy gravitas (snicker).
Jan '11
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