When Notre Dame Joins The Catholics, It's Either The End Times, Or The End Of Obama
Pew Research says Catholic support for Obama fell recently from 53 to 45%. Of course I'm always wondering why it isn't 0%.
On Monday, however, even Notre Dame joined the lawsuit against the Obama administration's healthcare mandates. Is this the result of our prayers and fasting? Or am I dreaming?
The university's leader, the Rev. John Jenkins, hosted President Barack Obama as the school's commencement speaker in May 2009 despite criticism over Mr. Obama's support of abortion rights. Father Jenkins initially applauded the administration's proposal in February.
But on Monday, he said talks with the administration on how to enact that proposal hadn't been encouraging, and that there was no firm timeline to resolve religious employers' lingering concerns. He said that left the school unable to change its health plans around the requirement in time to meet the August 2013 deadline.
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May '12
Re: When Notre Dame Joins The Catholics, It's Either The End Times, Or The End Of Obama
Is it the answer to our prayers - remains to be seen.
It is a good start, but it begs the question - where was Notre Dame, the Catholic church et al when the healthcare legislation was being railroaded into law? Perhaps they were challenging it and just being ignored.
If they stop with just opposing the contraception mandate I think it will be a shame. If this energizes a Catholic grass roots movement for change toward ending big government intrusion into many more areas then it is much more positive.
Jun '10
Re: When Notre Dame Joins The Catholics, It's Either The End Times, Or The End Of Obama
From Catholic institutions all the way to Notre Dame. That's quite a range of opposition.
Feb '12
Re: When Notre Dame Joins The Catholics, It's Either The End Times, Or The End Of Obama
The three words most often heard when discussing this with other Catholics yesterday were "even Notre Dame".
May '11
Re: When Notre Dame Joins The Catholics, It's Either The End Times, Or The End Of Obama
Seeing as how Notre Dame is almost the only Catholic university of note left in this country, it seems odd that you pretend that they are not Catholic. What is the basis for this slur?
Jun '10
Re: When Notre Dame Joins The Catholics, It's Either The End Times, Or The End Of Obama
It depends what you consider "of note."
If "Catholic" is the important criteria, then:
Ave Maria University
Christendom College
Franciscan University of Steubenville
Mount St. Mary’s University
Thomas Aquinas College
Wyoming Catholic College
to name a few.
If instant recognition is the criteria, then that's different.
Edited on May 22, 2012 at 8:19pmNov '11
Re: When Notre Dame Joins The Catholics, It's Either The End Times, Or The End Of Obama
etoiledunord
It depends what you consider "of note."
If "Catholic" is the important criteria, then:
Ave Maria University
Christendom College
Franciscan University of Steubenville
Mount St. Mary’s University
Thomas Aquinas College
Wyoming Catholic College
to name a few.
If instant recognition is the criteria, then that's different. · 1 minute ago
Edited 0 minutes ago
Don't forget the University of Dallas - my favorite Catholic university because it sounds like a city university but isn't.
May '12
Re: When Notre Dame Joins The Catholics, It's Either The End Times, Or The End Of Obama
I would add Boston College to the list of notables (interviewing a High School intern she listed as on of the eleite colleges to which she was applying). Why isn't it zero, consider that Massachusetts is the most Catholic state in the union on a percentage basis.
Feb '12
Re: When Notre Dame Joins The Catholics, It's Either The End Times, Or The End Of Obama
Little late to the rescue, seeing as the Supreme Court and various legislatures have been riding roughshod over religion for the last fifty years or more.
Better late than never, I suppose.
But they're really late.
Edited on May 22, 2012 at 9:35pmRe: When Notre Dame Joins The Catholics, It's Either The End Times, Or The End Of Obama
It seems odd that I have to write this, but here goes. In the past, it has been common for Catholic academic institutions to ignore the current administration's anti-life positions. Now, however, EVEN NOTRE DAME is going against the President's policies. If this is an odd statement, I've missed everything, which is possible. I'm prone to dum-dum-ism. But this time, I think I got it right.
May '11
Re: When Notre Dame Joins The Catholics, It's Either The End Times, Or The End Of Obama
Joe, Notre Dame has always been against abortion. They haven't been forced to go to court over it until now. The church rightfully has seen that freedom of religion is best promoted by staying out of politics.
So, Notre Dame, and every other Catholic institution preaches about its beliefs but doesn't engage legislators about it. They haven't ignored this administration's positions. They've stayed out of every administration's positions. There are exceptions to the rule, but as long as I've been watching, they've been this way. Inviting the sitting president to a commencement address is a tradition that goes back decades and is not a sign that the university is pro-abortion.
I don't understand your hostility to the most prestigious Catholic university in the country. I think some people see "liberals" everywhere.
So, again I ask, what is the basis for your slurs? Repeating them is hardly a proper basis.
May '12
Re: When Notre Dame Joins The Catholics, It's Either The End Times, Or The End Of Obama
How can we Catholics be reassured by this action on the part of Notre Dame if,as stated in the post, Rev. Jenkins, who originally applauded the action by Obama, was later dissuaded by administators presumably on the basis of difficulty with carrying out the mandate ? Where is the faith and conviction in this action?
Mar '12
Re: When Notre Dame Joins The Catholics, It's Either The End Times, Or The End Of Obama
Skylar,
Given the historic efforts of Notre Dame to be anything but Catholic, one of the Catholic professors at that institution stated that Notre Dame is "something like a public school in a Catholic neighborhood." The individual responsible for that quote is Charles Rice. There is an effort to be intellectually rigorous which does not include being rigorously Catholic. Hence inviting pro-abortion speakers to campus; holding the Vagina Monologues; and not being Catholic when it counts.
Famous? Yes. Catholic? Not so much.
Edited on May 22, 2012 at 11:10pmRe: When Notre Dame Joins The Catholics, It's Either The End Times, Or The End Of Obama
Skyler: Joe, Notre Dame has always been against abortion. They haven't been forced to go to court over it until now. The church rightfully has seen that freedom of religion is best promoted by staying out of politics.
So, Notre Dame, and every other Catholic institution preaches about its beliefs but doesn't engage legislators about it. They haven't ignored this administration's positions. They've stayed out of every administration's positions. There are exceptions to the rule, but as long as I've been watching, they've been this way. Inviting the sitting president to a commencement address is a tradition that goes back decades and is not a sign that the university is pro-abortion.
I don't understand your hostility to the most prestigious Catholic university in the country. I think some people see "liberals" everywhere.
So, again I ask, what is the basis for your slurs? Repeating them is hardly a proper basis. · 25 minutes ago
Do you remember when Notre Dame conferred an honorary law degree on a former law professor who, as a legislator, had defended partial birth abortion? I do. So do the bishops who spoke up against the act.
May '11
Re: When Notre Dame Joins The Catholics, It's Either The End Times, Or The End Of Obama
Donald, you're delusional. ND is renowned for its Catholic integrity. Joe, inviting the sitting president to speak at the commencement is a long standing tradition at ND. I'm completely flabbergasted by the insults being tossed about as this conclusion were universally accepted as common wisdom. If you say ND is a poor example of Catholicism, then you don't understand either Catholicism or ND.
Mar '12
Re: When Notre Dame Joins The Catholics, It's Either The End Times, Or The End Of Obama
Skylar,
I do understand an insult. Being called delusional is an insult.
The Rice quote is exact.
You might consider reading What Happened to Notre Dame (St Augustine's Press, 2009).
You might want to consider whether inviting pro-abortion political leaders might lead to a question the "Catholic" identity of ND.
You might want to consider whether the Vagina Monologues are fit material to be presented at a "Catholic" institution.
ND decided in favor of the pro-abortion politician, even when the local bishop called them on it. ND decided in favor of the monologues even though they view women much differently than the Catholic Church does.
I understand Catholicism like a convert who counted the cost. I have long understood that ND held other things as more important than Catholicism, as their practices clearly display.
That is not an insult. That is discernment, a Catholic virtue.
Jun '10
Re: When Notre Dame Joins The Catholics, It's Either The End Times, Or The End Of Obama
You need a reality check, my friend.
For a start:
Real Catholic TV (May 31, 2011): The Notre Dame 88
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEOMijcnHBM
(note: the guy speaking here is from Notre Dame's class of '83)
May '11
Re: When Notre Dame Joins The Catholics, It's Either The End Times, Or The End Of Obama
Okay, I bit. I watched the ranting video. He might sound convincing until he declared that Notre Dame is in fact "a practical atheist school."
As an atheist, I can only roll my eyes. That guy is a crank. There were plenty of cranks when I was there too.
That Notre Dame has various religions among its faculty of theology is a good thing. It has a reputation for great scholarship in theology and though it is decidedly dominated by Catholicism, it is tempered by direct exposure to other religions as well.
I don't know how anyone can visit the place and call it an atheist school, let alone after having studied there.
Notre Dame is the premier defender of Catholicism among universities in the world, and especially in the United States. That it has people of other religions among its faculty does not detract from its core of being thoroughly religious and Catholic. The Catholic church does not require that its followers never listen to other ideas.
Edited on May 23, 2012 at 3:09amApr '11
Re: When Notre Dame Joins The Catholics, It's Either The End Times, Or The End Of Obama
For what it's worth, Massachusetts is the third most Catholic state at 44%, closer to New Jersey (39%), California (37%), and New York (36%) than Pennsylvania (53%) or Rhode Island (63%). I've seen some stats with lower figures for Pennsylvania, but Rhode Island has been America's papist hotspot for a long time.
Dec '10
Re: When Notre Dame Joins The Catholics, It's Either The End Times, Or The End Of Obama
I don't know who "Skyler" is, but it's obvious this person does not understand the disintigration of the Notre Dame Catholic culture over the last 20-30 years. It has chosen the world over God, although its motto is "God, Country, Notre Dame." ND clings to it's Catholic identity primarily as a public relations tool. The principles of the Catholic faith live only in a marginal way on campus today. To maintain its image it had to join other Catholic institutions in this lawsuit. Believe me, this was the last thing Fr. Jenkins wanted to do. For PR and economic reasons there was no other choice.
Nov '11
Re: When Notre Dame Joins The Catholics, It's Either The End Times, Or The End Of Obama
Paul A. Rahe
Do you remember when Notre Dame conferred an honorary law degree on a former law professor who, as a legislator, had defended partial birth abortion? I do. So do the bishops who spoke up against the act. · 5 hours ago
I personally find Obama's opposition to Illinois' BAIPA even more offensive than his opposition to the partial birth abortion ban.