That was a barely-noticed moment of the debate for most of you, wasn't it?

Well, for everyone who's concerned about accuracy, the US provides almost no aid to Turkey. It used to provide a great deal, but now the numbers are nugatory. If Turkey's human-rights record were the sole criteria by which it was included in NATO, it would have been expelled long ago. The statistic on the murder of women? It's ridiculous. The streets would be littered with corpses if that were true. The Turkey to which Perry refers--the Turkey of the 1970s--invaded Cyprus. It was hardly a high-water mark in Turkish-American relations.

Perry could have advanced a serious case. He might have noticed, for example, that Turkey's foreign minister maintains that Islamist terrorism doesn't exist. He might have made the case that his briefers subsequently made on his behalf. But he didn't. He either didn't remember it, or didn't care.

That's quite unimpressive.

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outstripp
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outstripp

I was thinking of you when Perry was talking.  None of what he said had the ring of truth, even though I know next to nothing about Turkey.

Paul A. Rahe

I like Perry. He has been a good governor. But his horizon is quite limited, and in the Presidential race he is completely out of his depth. He should not have allowed his wife to talk him into entering the race. He cannot see beyond the borders of Texas.


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Feb '11
Xennady

Someone please give Perry a pat on the head, a box of crayons, and a ticket back to Texas so he can study up on the rest of the world without making a fool of himself anymore.

Go away Rick. You blew it. Time to work on salvaging your career in Texas, if you can. 


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James Of England

My guess is that he spotted the opportunity to highlight his own foreign policy quasi-experience, having been posted to Turkey, and was thinking about that more than the briefings; he can't have been expecting a Turkey question to come up. And, while Turkey may have invaded Cyprus (and done a bunch of other terrible things) in the '70s, I can well believe that it was a fun place to be posted, and that they treated Perry well. I've met quite a number of ex-pats who judge the government of the country they live in/ lived in primarily on the way that it treats the westerners who live there, and think that quite a powerful bias.

This isn't to say that Perry's answer didn't have its awkwardness, but a: I think it's pretty understandable and b: I think it's probably a politically better answer than if he'd been accurate, as those watching were likely to find themselves agreeing. It's kind of the inverse of his unpopular but correct willingness to return to Iraq.

genferei
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genferei

For those looking for the source of these remarks, the relevant part of the transcript:

BAIR: Governor Perry, since the Islamist-oriented party took over in Turkey, the murder rate of women has increased 1,400 percent there. Press freedom has declined to the level of Russia. The prime minister of Turkey has embraced Hamas and Turkey has threatened military force against both Israel and Cypress. Given Turkey’s turn, do you believe Turkey still belongs in NATO?

PERRY: Well, obviously when you have a country that is being ruled by, what many would perceive to be Islamic terrorists, when you start seeing that type of activity against their own citizens, then yes. Not only is it time for us to have a conversation about whether or not they belong to be in NATO, but it’s time for the United States, when we look at their foreign aid, to go to zero with it.
(APPLAUSE)
PERRY: And you go to zero with foreign aid for all of those countries. And it doesn’t make any difference who they are. You go to zero with that foreign aid and then you have the conversation about, do they have America’s best interest in mind? And when you have countries like Turkey that are moving far away from the country that I lived in back in the 1970′s as a pilot in the United States Air Force that was our ally, that worked with us, but today we don’t see that.
Our — our — our president, has a foreign policy that makes our allies very nervous and emboldens our enemies. And we have to have a president of the United States that clearly sends the message, whether it’s to Israel, our friend and there should be no space between the United States and Israel, period.
(APPLAUSE)
PERRY: And we need to send a powerful message to countries like Iran, and Syria and Turkey that the United States is serious and that we’re going to have to be dealt with.

Edited on Jan 17 at 7:12am
Crow's Nest
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Mar '11
Crow's Nest

I thought he was talking about the turkeys he could see from his house.

Lt Colonel Don
Joined
Sep '10
Lt Colonel Don

Many of us fear for Turkey's future but who are the "many" who believe the AKP are terrorists?

I honestly don't see the difference between Perry and W. We'd all like to have a beer with them and neither should be controlling our nation's power.

Once again the audience distinguishes itself with the applause lines.

Can someone explain to me why there should be "no space" between Israel and America's foreign policy? Talk about a foriegn policy that emboldens our enemies. Is it only because we want to be on their side in Armageddon?

Crow's Nest
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Mar '11
Crow's Nest

Although, having now reconsidered after hearing Ron Paul's "Golden Rule" foreign policy.....

Kofola
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May '10
Kofola

You know, I kinda wish the moderators would ask random out of the blue questions about countries such as Slovakia and Romania so that I can have the opportunity to slam the candidates for not knowing as much about them as I do. I guess I just picked the wrong region to overspecialize in.

Lt Colonel Don
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Sep '10
Lt Colonel Don

K, you specialize in Eastern Europe! Turkey is right there and you should appreciate the perspectives. Turkey is again one of the most important natinos on earth and our failure to leverage our partnership is one of our biggest failures of the past decade.

Perry would have been fine if he didn't make such extreme characterizations about the AKP, lumped them with Syria and Iran, and distracted the audience with their nearly  nonexistent foreign aid.


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