We Gotta Get Right With Hispanics
It makes many conservatives angry to hear that ... and that anger proves my point.
Hispanics are the fastest growing demographic. If the GOP continues to lose Hispanics 75/25, we will become a permanent minority party.
If the GOP can't win with the planets lined up in our favor as much as they were this year, then the GOP will never win . . . unless it is willing to re-evaluate the way it has unnecessarily alienated Hispanics.
We don't have to win 100% of them. We just need to get to 35% or 40%. If we had reached that number, Mitt Romney would have won easily last night. Thus, we need to be careful that we don't talk about immigration in a way that alienates 75% of Hispanics. We have shot ourselves in the foot on immigration, and it has gotten us nowhere.
We can start getting right with Hispanics by purging camera clowns like Sheriff Joe Arpaio.
Ask yourself this question: would you rather have a GOP president who is mushy on immigration or Barack Obama?
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May '12
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So the answer is to pander to illegal aliens and expand the welfare state? If that is what it takes to win an election in our nation it isn't a nation worth leading.
Oct '12
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Good analysis. Most Hispanics are socially conservative. Clearly a big potential is there. Time to support something like the Dream Act or face many more evenings like tonight.
Sep '10
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why stop there? Let's pander to single white females and African Americans. That's the ticket.
Sep '12
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If the Hispanic vote is our last, best hope, then it's over. Turn out the lights. I am no Atlas, but *shrug*.
May '10
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I'm sure you have what's best for Republicans in mind, Pig Man.
Edited on November 7, 2012 at 6:15amNov '11
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Don't pander. Just don't go around insulting Hispanics needlessly by painting them all with the same disrepectful brush.
Don't pander. It's not pandering to appeal to people's better angels.
We need to acknowledge clearly that many Hispanics, no, most Hispanics, are hardworking decent religious people. We need to acknowledge that in our society many Hispanics are doing some of the hardest, nastiest, most backbreaking work, that they build our houses, pave our roads, and clean the filthy commodes in our office buildings. We need to acknowledge that we respect their work. We need make sure they know that they are welcome in mainstream America, that their hard wok will get them moving up the ladder of success. Instead, we've sent Hispanics a different message.
Hispanics feel that the GOP does not respect them. There is, unfortunately, some truth in that perception. We've left them to fall into the web of Obama style dependency.
Nov '11
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That's exactly the sort of disrespectful attitude that has needlessly alienated Hispanics.
May '10
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We have let them fall into dependency? Explain that.
Nov '11
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Yes, the Dream Act makes sense. Rubio and Romney supported similar measures. But as soon as they hinted that they would support anything like a Dream Act, the knee-jerk Sheriff Arpaio-lovers start screaming.
By alienating Hispanics we are doing a slow motion political suicide.
It's also morally wrong to let Hispanics fall into, or push them into, the clutches of liberal dependency the way blacks have. We have a moral duty to prevent Hispanics from falling into the dependency trap of the welfare state. That also happens to be good politics.
We need to ask why we lose Hispanics 75/25. We need to fix our problem with Hispanics before it's too late.
May '10
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How do we "let' someone fall into dependency? How is my saying "We should have a wall to stop people from just walking into the country" pushing someone into dependency? How do I keep someone else out of the welfare state?
You don't want to be poor? Don't have babies out of wedlock. It is really easy not to do that. The same rules apply to all races.
May '10
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I'm all for Hispanics, and for getting the Hispanic vote, especially on the social issues. I'm a bit Hispanic myself.
But so many people seem to think we have to pander to them on illegal immigration to get their vote. If that's true, no can do.
One of the principles this country was founded on was the rule of law. If we have to compromise our principles to win votes, I consider that a loss not only for the party but for the country and ultimately even for the Hispanics who come here seeking a better place. We teach them to disrespect our laws and our country by the standards we set.
Nov '11
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By alienating them, our disrespect has allowed the left to win the battle for their hearts and minds by default.
The left offers goodies. We offer insults and disrespect.
We should be appealing to Hispanics to join the quest to fulfill the American Dream.
By making it impossible for 11 million illegal immigrants (de facto permanent residents) to enter the mainstream, we have ensured that their children will be raised in the underclass. And then we shout down a law, the Dream Act, that would make it possible for their children to enter the mainstream. We ignore reality, and lose the game "on principle."
May '10
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Astonishing
That's exactlythe sort of disrespectful attitude that has needlessly alienated Hispanics. · 15 minutes ago
Yes, it comes across that way, but give etherwalker the chance to explain himself. If it's Hispanics he's objecting to, I agree with you. If it's pandering he's objecting to, I'd agree with him.
May '10
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Yes, Astonishing, agreed. I don't get why we don't just make it so easy for regular people seeking the American dream to immigrate that only the criminals would try to come in illegally. Then we could get serious about border security without the moral issues and human tragedy. And, Brent, don't illegals already get welfare? I thought they did. Plus education, health care etc... As it is, it's all benefits and no responsibility. All the deport them and send them to the back of the line because they broke the law stuff is ridiculous. Our President "did a little blow" for pete's sake. Yes, deport the criminals and keep them out, but the rest, let them come! Not only would we gain Latino votes, we would improve national security by making it clear no "good guy" would try to come in illegally.
Edited on November 7, 2012 at 6:23amMay '10
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I would posit that "getting right" with Hispanics also means doing the right thing.
We should pursue their vote, like that of any other person. We should find ways to make their lives better here-- if they are here legally-- in the same way we seek to make the lives of all of our citizens better.
We should not further teach them that we are a system you can just exploit for goodies. If we do that, we become the Democrats, and then there is nothing worthwhile in the Republican party (on this issue at least) worth voting for. Instead we should go out of our way to help them understand true American values and how to succeed the right way in our country.
Jun '10
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Karl Rove was right.
If Bush had been able to pass comprehensive immigration reform in his 2nd term, if conservatives hadn't revolted and killed the deal, the GOP would be in a much, much stronger position today.
Nov '11
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Chris Deleon: I'm all for Hispanics, and for getting the Hispanic vote, especially on the social issues. I'm a bit Hispanic myself.
. . . people seem to think we have to pander to them on illegal immigration to get their vote. If that's true, no can do. . .
We don't have to pander. But talking about illegal immigrants as if they are the world's worst criminals is unnecessarily insulting.
Most illegal immigrants' only "crime" is that they risked their lives to get to this country looking for a better life for themselves and their families. Other than that courageous act, the vast majority of illegals are decent, hardworking people. They are here, many of them will stay here, and have children here. We need to deal with that reality.
Yes, they broke the law. But that law preventing free movement of labor is a bad law, contrary to basic free market principles. Free markets allow free movements of good, capital, and labor across borders.
A "kick them all out, close the borders" hardline policy is wrong. We should repair our immigration law to legalize immigrants, because the law that kept them out was wrong in the first place.
May '10
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Astonishing
We should repair our immigration law to legalize immigrants, because the law that kept them out was wrong in the first place. · 2 minutes ago
And there is the problem. What you are really saying is that anyone should be able to walk into the country and instantly have all the rights of the people born here. Just open the border up, and those of us that want the Nation to control its boarders are being "mean".
Not only no, but Hell no.
Jun '10
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Bryan G. Stephens
And there is the problem. What you are really saying is that anyone should be able to walk into the country and instantly have all the rights of the people born here. Just open the border up, and those of us that want the Nation to control its boarders are being "mean".
Not only no, but Hell no.
A lot of them are better Americans, harder workers and more appreciative of freedom, than the lazy entitled generation of young birthright citizens who just voted overwhelmingly to reelect O.
Sep '10
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Astounding,
Your hyberblic language is pretty pathetic and only diminishes your argument. GOP and Conservatives are not talking about immigrants being the world's worst criminals.
Citizenship matters and you cannot have virtually unfettered access to social welfare AND illegal immigration. You can choose one or the other.