Longtime American Enterprise Institute fellow Charles Murray discusses his controversial new book, Coming Apart, about what American was, is, and will become. He also reveals his personal score on his now famous "bubble quiz."

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R.J. Moeller
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R.J. Moeller

Home-run as usual, boys! I thoroughly enjoyed this interview and wish that I had seen it before I chatted with Dr. Murray myself last week. I could've hijacked some of Peter's questions!

I know Charles Murray is fairly well-known, but there are guys like him and Thomas Sowell that I feel personally compelled to do what I can to see that they become household names.

Uncommon Knowledge is the thing I most anticipate a new release from. Keep up the great work!

Ethan Safron
Bradley University
Ethan Safron

When Peter said "The Bell Curve" at about a minute into this thing, I was surprised the Imperial March from Star Wars didn't play.

Albert Arthur
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Albert Arthur

I love the screen grab for the Youtube video. Peter's doing jazz hands or something.

Big John
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Big John

Am I too late to share my bubble quiz score?

Peter Robinson

R.J. Moeller: Home-run as usual, boys!

Uncommon Knowledge is the thing I most anticipate a new release from. Keep up the great work! · 3 hours ago

Thanks, RJ.  Since you're a pro, your kind words mean a lot.

Peter Robinson
Albert Arthur: I love the screen grab for the Youtube video. Peter's doing jazz hands or something. · 2 hours ago

Screen grabs.  The bane of 21st-century existence.

Ben Domenech

A brilliant interview. Murray's recommended approach is not one I entirely agree with but he has certainly identified a problem, and a real one.

Mel Foil
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etoiledunord

One reason that Victorian England worked is, the rich and the poor occupied the same physical space. One as master, one as servant, but the same space. They entertained each other with their human foibles, as we all need to be entertained. The best relationships grow out of loving a third thing that's greater than yourself. That can be a platoon, or a sports team, or even a workplace. But if there's no mixing, there's no love. The missing piece is always love.

Capt. Aubrey
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Capt. Aubrey

Great interview. I found myself wondering about the mobility that exists between the two societies. It seems to me that he does not treat of this subject enough. I believe people rise and fall in and out of belmont and fishtown alot more than he gives credit for but I have not yet read the book only this interview and some reviews. Maybe that mobility is threatened by the bifurcation along IQ lines but hasn't happened yet in my experience.

Valiuth
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Valiuth
etoiledunord: One reason that Victorian England worked is, the rich and the poor occupied the same physical space. One as master, one as servant, but the same space. They entertained each other with their human foibles, as we all need to be entertained. The best relationships grow out of loving a third thing that's greater than yourself. That can be a platoon, or a sports team, or even a workplace. But if there's no mixing, there's no love. The missing piece is always love. · 4 hours ago

I agree. I live in Chicago which is an incredibly segregated city both racially and economically. Neighborhoods are divided by both race and income, leading to neighborhoods so destitute that it is hard to imagine how they will ever uplift themselves economically.  Having mixed income and race neighborhoods to me would seem a good way to try to lower the growing distinctions between Fishtown and Belmont. 

~Paules
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~Paules

Apropos to this thread, I'd like to link the post I wrote in November of 2010 called The Neighborhood.  Ed., can I get some help?  If I remember correctly, it was the first post promoted from the member's page to the main page almost a year and a half ago.    

[Editor: Do you mean this post? Your wish, my command, and all that.]

Edited on April 12, 2012 at 4:47pm
~Paules
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~Paules

Thank you.

Tom Lindholtz
Joined
May '10
Tom Lindholtz

Great interview, Peter.  Very interesting.  I wanted to suggest a follow-up.  In this interview you left us with a bit of a downer: How will we ever manage to resolve this.  The follow-up I'd suggest is to interview William Strauss and Neil Howe about their Generational Theory.  Their first book, 'Generations', and their book, 'The Fourth Turning', both suggest the answer to that dilemma you leave us with is that we've been here before and this, too, shall pass.  Even better, have a conversation with both Strauss and Howe as well as Charles Murray.

Tom Lindholtz
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Tom Lindholtz
Valiuth  .... I live in Chicago which is an incredibly segregated city both racially and economically. Neighborhoods are divided by both race and income, leading to neighborhoods so destitute that it is hard to imagine how they will ever uplift themselves economically.  Having mixed income and race neighborhoods to me would seem a good way to try to lower the growing distinctions between Fishtown and Belmont. 

What you suggest is a truly liberal, Democrat idea.  I've lived in places that have tried that; forcing developers to build a mix of housing, with low-income housing mixed in with up-scale housing.  Operative word is 'forcing', because no one will build that willingly.  And they don't work very well.  The rich have options, so they won't spend their money to buy a house with a duplex next door.  And the poor, who had no options because they couldn't afford to live in the nicer places, would find the neighborhoods uninviting.

The keystone of the solution is a common culture; a culture taught by parents, schools, churches, government, and the press.  And, contra post-modern relativism, not just any culture will do.  Some cultures actually are better than others.

Tom Lindholtz
Joined
May '10
Tom Lindholtz

~Paules: Apropos to this thread, I'd like to link the post I wrote in November of 2010 calledThe Neighborhood.  Ed., can I get some help?  If I remember correctly, it was the first post promoted from the member's page to the main page almost a year and a half ago.    

[Editor: Do you mean this post? Your wish, my command, and all that.] · 8 hours ago

Edited 8 hours ago

Wonderful description, Paules.  I have just one question: Can you give me a phonetic pronunciation guide for 'Czyszczon'?  I couldn't even hazard a guess.


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