Uncommon Knowledge Special Audio Edition: Rick Santorum
Blue Yeti ·
March 31, 2012 at 2:12am
This afternoon, Peter Robinson had the opportunity to do a quick interview with Rick Santorum as the candidate was traveling between campaign events in Wisconsin. They discuss why he's still in the race, the rights of the unborn, the Santorum tax plan, how Santorum plans to expand his appeal, the core differences between himself and Mitt Romney, and a up-to-the-minute state of the primary race from the candidate himself.
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Nov '10
Re: Uncommon Knowledge Special Audio Edition: Rick Santorum
Somehow....this seems a little too litte too late.
I wept a few tears last night and today when I saw a couple of my favorite conservatives “endorse” Romney. So now I feel that old adage.... ‘You can’t fire me. I quit.’ I am done with the Republicans.
Unless something dramatically changes... I don’t see how Romney can beat Obama. I will not vote for Romney in my PA primary. They don’t get a dime. I will support candidates I choose. Individually.
I feel sort of sick about this.
Maybe a cooler head can talk me down and nail my fingers to the ledge.
ugh.
May '10
Re: Uncommon Knowledge Special Audio Edition: Rick Santorum
Dreamlarge: Step back from the ledge and go read the transcript of Hugh Hewitt's interview with Ryan from earlier tonight (I'd link but I'm on a Nook). If you respect Ryan, the chat might make you feel better, since it's clear that a) Romney has been Ryan's guy for some time and b) the two have been active together behind the scenes for months. In short, you can remove the scare quotes from "endorse".
Aug '10
Re: Uncommon Knowledge Special Audio Edition: Rick Santorum
Holy cow! Ricochet must be the only site still paying any attention to Rick Santorum.
It's over. Give it up!
Mar '11
Re: Uncommon Knowledge Special Audio Edition: Rick Santorum
Seems a few important questions were left out of this interview: 1) you trumpet how well you are doing being outspent so greatly, isn't financial support simply another form of voting and another measure of one's popularity? 2) you state that Romney is not conservative and has no conviction yet you endorsed him strongly in 2008 as having both, long after the details of Romneycare were known. If he has moved anywhere since it has been to the right. How do you square your 2008 acclaim with your 2012 scorn?
May '10
Re: Uncommon Knowledge Special Audio Edition: Rick Santorum
Santorum is now more reliably negative than Romney -- from his fundraising literature, to his ads, to every interview. At this late stage, he's sounding and looking petty.
May '10
Re: Uncommon Knowledge Special Audio Edition: Rick Santorum
There are a lot more like dreamlarge than you think. After all, Romney still can't break above 40% in the RCP averages.
If even 5% of the base who otherwise would vote stays home in swing states on election night, Romney loses.
And the problem is actually a lot worse than that. For every conservative who decides to sit it out, there are probably going to be at least 5 who will still hold their noses and vote for the guy but will otherwise disengage. No activism, no volunteering, no donations. Embarrassed silence at the water cooler and family gatherings. Romney will be stuck with going back to the same rich donors he's had to hit up time and time again already, while Obama has a proven track record of pulling in donations of all sizes, and an already existing network of many small and large donors.
Get ready for 4 more years of Obama.
Edited on March 31, 2012 at 5:19pmMay '10
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Well, then, I guess a rich guy's vote is worth 100 times mine.
Or to put it another way, more apt for the situation, a few rich people's votes matter more than those of the base of the party.
Edited on March 31, 2012 at 5:22pmFeb '11
Re: Uncommon Knowledge Special Audio Edition: Rick Santorum
Indeed, I think Rick should hang it up now, same with Newt and Paul...however, this is the last time I vote for a Republican unless the party steps up to the plate and starts pushing back on entitlements, debt, and social liberalism. Messers Delingpole and Steyn are prophets for our time. Holding the fort for this one run is more important than losing alla Goldwater, but we must push hard or die.
Agreed, Santorum has major flaws, and like Newt when he minimized them through fresh ideas, good rhetoric, and avoiding his worst instincts he did well, he has turned into a sour-puss, sore loser, with too many unanswered questions.
Frozen Chosen: Holy cow! Ricochet must be the only site still paying any attention to Rick Santorum.
It's over. Give it up! · 10 hours ago
One major reason why I've had such a hard time liking Romney.
Apr '11
Re: Uncommon Knowledge Special Audio Edition: Rick Santorum
St. Salieri
Indeed, I think Rick should hang it up now, same with Newt and Paul...however, this is the last time I vote for a Republican unless the party steps up to the plate and starts pushing back on entitlements, debt, and social liberalism. Messers Delingpole and Steyn are prophets for our time. Holding the fort for this one run is more important than losing alla Goldwater, but we must push hard or die.
Which entitlement do you want reformed that Romney isn't advocating reforming? Romney's somewhat more aggressive on entitlement reform than Ryan is (Romney raises retirement ages, for instance). It's a far more aggressive attack on the New Deal and Great Society than we've seen in a manifesto since, well, Goldwater.
May '10
Re: Uncommon Knowledge Special Audio Edition: Rick Santorum
James Of England
Which entitlement do you want reformed that Romney isn't advocating reforming? Romney's somewhat more aggressive on entitlement reform than Ryan is (Romney raises retirement ages, for instance). It's a far more aggressive attack on the New Deal and Great Society than we've seen in a manifesto since, well, Goldwater.
These claims that Romney is so ultra-severely conservative are ridiculous. That's all Etch-A-Sketch, remember. He's just saying whatever he thinks will get him the nomination. Once he gets the nomination, he'll run to the center. And once he gets into office, he'll readjust once again. Being the establishment's pick, I really doubt he'll rock the boat much. If he even gets the Presidency, which does not look likely.
Apr '11
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Chris Deleon
These claims that Romney is so ultra-severely conservative are ridiculous. That's all Etch-A-Sketch, remember. He's just saying whatever he thinks will get him the nomination. Once he gets the nomination, he'll run to the center. And once he gets into office, he'll readjust once again. Being the establishment's pick, I really doubt he'll rock the boat much. If he even gets the Presidency, which does not look likely.
Right. Assuming everything Romney says is a lie, it makes total sense to assume whatever you want of him.
Trouble is, he has a long history of saying what he's going to do and then doing it. He fulfilled most of his campaign promises, and pushed hard on those he failed at. He accomplished what he promised with the Olympics. He was selected to return to take over Bain from Bain Capital because he was uniquely trusted by both senior and junior partners, because he follows through on his word.
I get that when you're facing bitter defeat, your opponent's aide saying a dumb thing offers some emotional release, but it's not a good substitute for analysis.
Apr '11
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Continued: The chief Democrat charge against Romney is that he's flip flopped. Romney went to great lengths to put his plans on paper, on the record, in his jobs document and in innumerable speeches. If he shifted on the substance, rather than the tone, of his positions for the general, he'd be mauled. Not only does he know that, but he knew that when he chose, without particular pressure (none of the other candidates have put out as detailed a manifesto, and no one had even a moderately detailed manifesto at the time), to set out his positions at the beginning of the primary.
May '10
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A bit of humor (don't take it too seriously-- it's the New York Times after all-- but there's an element of truth to it): A Quantum Theory of Mitt Romney.
And if you think what the aide said is just a dumb thing and doesn't have any basis in reality, you're really also in quite a Romney bubble of your own.
May '11
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I'm fine with Santorum staying in to promote himself or his ideas. But attacks on Romney are attacks on our nominee at t his point. Attacks on our nominee effectively help Obama get reelected.
These news shows seem ready and willing to give Santorum the airtime he desperately needs so he can attack our nominee. That serves no positive purpose (don't tell me it toughens Romney up or something).
Feb '11
Re: Uncommon Knowledge Special Audio Edition: Rick Santorum
Please note that I said Republican, and I want more vigor across the board in pushing back the ES. I'm worried about Romney buckling under the pressure of Washington, the media, and his own lack of a core set of principals if he beats Obama. I think his predisposition based on his speeches, his subordinates, and his governance in the past shows us a man who wants to manage things, but not change them fundamentally. That is the problem. There are some excellent points in his plan, he has some excellant qualities as a person, and possibly as a leader, but he is not committed to anything more than bromides, getting elected, and making things better. It is too late in the game for that. That is not enough. If that is all that's politically viable right now, then we'll have to take it and try to make it work, but that doesn't mean he's some combo of St. Francis and Ronald Reagan.
We need more than that to combat the slide into socialism and the collapse of Republican government.
James Of England
Which entitlement do you want reformed that Romney isn't advocating reforming?
Feb '11
Re: Uncommon Knowledge Special Audio Edition: Rick Santorum
I think Ryan's plan is as politically viable as is possible at this point, but in many ways yields the premise that the entitlement state is the natural order of government. Romney, his vision is not animated by first principals, but by a managerial concern for efficiency. That means that in the give and take of Washington he is liable to make bad compromises in office, but I except that those may be all that is possible with the state of the electorate and would be better than Obama.
In my view he's just a lousy politician I don't like, but I will support as the lesser of two evils, but the whole lesser of two evils model of governance is what got us here in the first place, and we need as a movement and party to develop something better, like the superior choice and a champion for liberty, reform, and renewal.
Feb '11
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I'm done with the lesser of two evils model, and if it doesn't turn around soon, it WONT MATTER any more, because the socialist state will be all that there is on the ground in this country.
That isn't good enough for the long term health of this nation, Romney will either prove to be the beginning of the end of the entitlement states (best case and I think unlikely due to the nature of the problems and his philosophical shortcomings) or the end of the beginning of our glorious Socialist future (worst case and sadly if unintentionally likely due to those same predispositions).
Romney's plans do not go far enough, fast enough, or for the right reasons, though they are better than losing to Obama. Why does the impending crisis seem so real to some of us and just another round of golf to others.
May '10
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The U.S. is bankrupt. Yes, in money, but even more in values. It is the strong values and strong families that lead to strength in every other area, such as foreign policy, the military, and the economy.
It's pretty apparent to most of us that Romney is not a transformational figure in these areas where it is needed. He may be able to stave off the day of reckoning a few years, but I've been of the opinion for some time that doing so may only make the eventual day of reckoning more severe and more inevitable.
I get that Santorum and his values are too polarizing to many. Maybe that just means we are already beyond the point of no return. By the standards of today's establishment and values, most of our founding fathers would be considered outright theocrats.
May '10
Re: Uncommon Knowledge Special Audio Edition: Rick Santorum
James Of England
I get that when you're facing bitter defeat, your opponent's aide saying a dumb thing offers some emotional release, but it's not a good substitute for analysis.
The Etch-A-Sketch comment wasn't dumb at all. It was brilliant. It expressed very succinctly what our own analysis of Romney had already pointed us to. Romney is not very conservative, and he's just making conservative noises for the primary. In effect, he says whatever he thinks the voters want to hear at the time, and he probably half believes it himself at the time. But he's too malleable and doesn't depend enough on core values.
Edited on April 2, 2012 at 4:35pmApr '11
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St. Salieri: I'm done with the lesser of two evils model, and if it doesn't turn around soon, it WONT MATTER any more, because the socialist state will be all that there is on the ground in this country.
That isn't good enough for the long term health of this nation, Romney will either prove to be the beginning of the end of the entitlement states (best case and I think unlikely due to the nature of the problems and his philosophical shortcomings) or the end of the beginning of our glorious Socialist future (worst case and sadly if unintentionally likely due to those same predispositions).
What time frame are you talking about? By 2040, the Ryan plan has us back on sound financial footing. Add in Ryan's rosier than the CBO growth assumptions (based on tax cut impact) and it gets there faster. Assume that things are significantly worse than even the CBO projects, but add in Romney's retirement age raising and you're back to 2040.
It's true that 2050 is a long way off, but the alternative is a total meltdown in about a decade.
Continued.
Edited on April 2, 2012 at 10:34pm