Lance · October 29, 2012 at 2:48pm

My disgust over the story coming out of Jennifer Griffin's Friday reporting on Benghazi left me with three questions.

1. Under the rule that the simplest answer tends to be the correct one, is it possible that the White House's malfeasance could have been driven by not wanting to be accused of beating the war drums just before the election -- and on 9/11 no less? This is no less damning in its implications than the scenario where the casualties owe to the Administration's desire to perpetuate the narrative of a defeated Al Qaeda. But it's plausible nonetheless.

2. Which drone attack killed the terrorist that might have been able to tip us off to the pending attack? 

3.  Will the fallen CIA operatives/former Navy SEALs get their Stars at Langley? Theirs is a story I will tell my children about what it means to do the right thing. 

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Mitch Noyes

On question no. 1, I heard people speculate over the weekend that Obama was probably more worried about a botched rescue mission a la Carter and the helicopters in the desert of Iran. That sounds right to me.

KC Mulville
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KC Mulville

I'm not sure whether I'm leaning more to incompetence or politics. I can understand why Obama would issue a political order to cover his behind, but I can't understand how so many of the mid-level commanders in the military, intelligence, and State would all (a) go along with the order and (b) not come out with outrage and accusations against such a nakedly selfish order.

So I'm leaning toward incompetence being the more likely explanation, But that's as of 10am; I'm willing to change my mind in a heartbeat.


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Barbara Kidder

Whatever their thinking/reasons, we know this;  that Obama 'massaged' the information that the State Dept. and his press secretary released to the world after these murders, to do as little damage to his election chances as possible!

Not just our allies but our foreign service people must be in mortal fear until November 7!


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At The Rubicon

It is my hope that as soon as President Romney is inaugurated he arranges for the US Navy to reinstate Woods and Doherty (the two former Navy SEALS who died so heroically ) back into active duty for one day - the day they were killed. Then awards them both the Congressional Medal of Honor.


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Mimi

General Carter Ham, head of Africom, was relieved of duty.  Sec of Def Leon Panetta has named him in various versions of what happened 9/11/12, claiming he was part of the decision on how to handle the situation.  It is unclear why, but General Ham has been forced out.  It is known that General Ham was close to Ambassador Stevens.  I am curious to see how this ties in with the story Obama has given the American people about Benghazi.  (Benhoozi, as Mark Steyn says!)

I am also curious about the ouster of Admiral Charles M. Gaouette.  Is this related to the larger story?  It is all so unusual.  

Leon Panetta couldn't be too popular, or Obama.  Last March, troops in Afghanistan were asked to attend Panetta's visit, unarmed.  Doesn't the WH trust the military to have weapons?

Republic of Texas
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Republic of Texas

Tyrone Woods will never get to meet his newborn son.  But I hope that all of his children (and all Americans) can learn from this clear example of Honor by Woods and Doherty versus the disgusting dishonor of our leadership.

Lance - I would agree that the "no decision" to act was due to cowardice rather than a cool political calculation.  A crisis reveals character (or the lack thereof) and if ANYONE in the country didn't understand what kind of man Barack Obama is they should understand now.

flownover
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flownover

Just read that Woods and Doherty killed 60 of the attackers . 60 !

alamo
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Arahant
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Arahant
At The Rubicon: It is my hope that as soon as President Romney is inaugurated he arranges for the US Navy to reinstate Woods and Doherty (the two former Navy SEALS who died so heroically ) back into active duty for one day - the day they were killed. Then awards them both the Congressional Medal of Honor.

There's a reason it is called the Congressional Medal of Honor.  It is not the President's to award.

Republic of Texas
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Republic of Texas

Read this and try not to cry - or scream in anger:

http://scottoncapecod.wordpress.com/2012/10/25/navy-seals-always/

DocJay
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DocJay

flownover: Just read that Woods and Doherty killed 60 of the attackers . 60 ! · 4 minutes ago

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Desperately laser targeting  the mortar that killed them.  So damn sad.

Macsen
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Macsen
Mitch Noyes: On question no. 1, I heard people speculate over the weekend that Obama was probably more worried about a botched rescue mission a la Carter and the helicopters in the desert of Iran. That sounds right to me. · 1 hour ago

I don't buy it.  We've come a long way since 1979.  If we had one or two drones in the air providing video of the ongoing events, a rescue mission wouldn't have been going in blind.  

DocJay
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DocJay

Is it too gauche to hope for a commercial that has Obama refusing to help these men?  Men who perhaps one cell of their body is better than the entirety of slime assembled in the white house.

Red Feline
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Red Feline

flownover: Just read that Woods and Doherty killed 60 of the attackers . 60 ! · 40 minutes ago

Edited 35 minutes ago

Tweeted, facebooked, and emailed!

Red Feline
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Red Feline

If what is suspected by Republicans is true about Benghazi, and the Middle East foreign policy of Obama, can't something other than an election be done about it?

What if this regime win again? It doesn't bear thinking about!


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Mitch Noyes
Macsen I don't buy it.  We've come a long way since 1979.  If we had one or two drones in the air providing video of the ongoing events, a rescue mission wouldn't have been going in blind. 

I'm not saying that we couldn't have done a rescue mission or that we shouldn't have. I'm saying that I believe Obama and co. are just that feckless that even with better technology and tactics, they still were afraid of another Carter style disaster. Obama killed the Osama raid a few times before finally pulling the trigger on that, don't forget.

Geoffrey Leach
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Geoffrey Leach

Here's an analysis that connects 9/11/2001, Afganistan and Bengazi that strikes me a very persuasive. http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/why-our-forces-were-told-to-stand-down-in-benghazi/


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liberal jim

The thing that made the lax security before the attack so serious is because aid would not be readily available should an attack occur.  I don't give to much credence to reports of aid not be given once the attack occurred.   

Sen McCain was interviewed over the weekend and he said on his visit to Libya Amb. Stevens in formed the him that he was extremely concerned about the security at the embassy.     Now that Stevens is dead McCain is sharing this with the American.  

Benghazi demonstrates the corruptness and incompetence of Obama, but also is a negative commentary on the political class in general. 

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Devereaux

"2. Which drone attack killed the terrorist that might have been able to tip us off to the pending attack? "

You guys are missing THE point in the above. We all know that the administration was cowardly. Probably Valerie Jarrett nixed it.

But the above point - that is HUGE. ?Just what intel have we missed, and how many times will we be hit before we make up for it.

Stuart Creque
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Stuart Creque

We didn't need a captured terrorist to tip us to the pending attack.  Apparently there was plenty of "chatter" among Al-Qaeda types talking about the need to avenge the death of their guy Al-Libi (which means "the Libyan").  Anyone paying attention with one ear and one eye would have figured that a terrorist attack in Libya on 9/11/12 would be likely.

By the way, a rescue operation DID get sent into Benghazi, comprised mainly of Libyans.  It arrived way too late to save the guys on the roof of the annex.  The question wasn't whether to send a rescue operation from Italy into Benghazi, but whether to provide CLOSE AIR SUPPORT to the people taking mortar fire.  All they needed was one laser-guided munition to take out the mortars and give them the breathing space to wait for the Libyan rescuers.  And the fact that they were actively painting the mortar position with a laser indicates that they thought that someone was sending an aircraft their way to drop that munition.  I wonder what gave them that idea, and why it never arrived.

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Nanda Panjandrum

With you, Lance!


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