flownover · Aug 10, 2011 at 4:29pm

Edward Murrow narrated the fires in London years ago, as the fascist attacked our allies. Now the anarchists are attacking, from within, with victimhood instead of Messerschmitts. Class warfare?

Where is the legendary resolve and grit of the Londoners who survived 300 sorties a night from the Luftwaffe? Where is the Queen in the garden of Buckingham Palace surveying the damage ?

When will they demand that their police crack the heads of the arsonist mobs? When will they shut down the twitter bullhorns to violent action ? 

How does one help an ally in distress ? 

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David Williamson
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David Williamson

All good questions.

I dunno.

Gird your loins for this in the US - the pitchforks of class envy.

Edited on Aug 9, 2011 at 4:53pm
River
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River

Oh the humanity! The endless ennui and boredom!

But seriously, generations of socialist 'persuasion' has sapped the youth and their parents of all drive and ambition. Not to mention the inculcated belief that they have almost nothing to be proud of in all their history.

Edited on Aug 9, 2011 at 6:14pm
flownover
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flownover

No kidding , for myself , the accomplishments of Albion exceed all other nations through history . Just spawning America is proof of that .

~Paules
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~Paules

How does one help an ally in distress?  I suppose there's no lend-lease when it comes to morality especially when we have a short supply at home.  Britain will either deal with it on her own or succumb to civilizational collapse.     

Southern Pessimist
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Southern Pessimist

I hope Great Britain acts wisely and we learn from them. We will need all the guidance we can get.

~Paules
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~Paules
Southern Pessimist: I hope Great Britain acts wisely and we learn from them. We will need all the guidance we can get. · Aug 10 at 6:48am

You announce a curfew and warn rioters that they will be shot on sight.  It puts an instant end to these shenanigans.  There comes a time when society is justified in using lethal force to protect life and property.  Britain has crossed that line.  We'll soon see if they have the intestinal fortitude to carry through.  The alternative is to live in a permanent state of siege.   

Robert McKay
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Robert McKay

There are Britons standing up for themselves.

Seeing those Sikhs standing in front of their temple with swords is extremely heartening. Reading further down the difference between what citizens and police are saying about protecting their homes is extremely disheartening:

'We've had enough of the police just standing there... while people are looting and ruining the whole area ...Everybody here pays tax and we've all had enough of it. We're sickened by the police doing absolutely nothing... They're not policing our streets, we have to police them." vs. "That needs to stop."

Poll on the side of the article says 1/3 Britons supports shooting rioters with live ammunition, 9/10 say turn the water cannons on them, 77% think the army should be called in to help restore order.

The government has failed in its duty to protect the lives and property of the citizenry so they are taking it into their own hands...and the government is telling them to stop. I'm sure that we'll soon see a few "vigilantes" being prosecuted for protecting themselves while 99% of the rioters aren't even arrested.

Yeah...ok.
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Yeah...ok.

We already sent them an I-pod with all of Obama's speeches, what more do they need?

Southern Pessimist
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Southern Pessimist

I have thought about this a good bit today. Daniel Hannan posted today at the Daily Telegraph that part of the solution is an elected sheriff who has narrowly defined responsibilities to be responsive to the citizens and who can follow through with appropriate sentencing for vandals. That sort of gets back to Giuliani's approach to fixing broken windows to get back control of the city. Developing respect for the law within a community must be the focus of every aspect of law enforcement and should override any concern for sensitivity to those who might feel oppressed or neglected. Who do you think feels neglected in London tonight?

Edited on Aug 10, 2011 at 5:07pm
Charles Mark
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Charles Mark

Are both allies not in distress to some degree? From here in between them it certainly feels that way.As it happens,my own Isle is also in some distress.I'd say the days of cosy assumptions are over.For everyone.  

Stuart Creque
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Stuart Creque

 Here is a first-person account by someone who was mugged, beaten and robbed in these riots in London:

London riots: 'Bleeding, I called 999. A tired man told me to go home'

Mark Wilson
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Mark Wilson

"Many of those who gathered in the late night public patrols had done so after becoming frustrated by the lack of police response to the riots."

Exhibit A:

More then 700 men, some in their 80s, took to the streets to protect the homes, businesses and places of worship in Southall, West London.

The residents rallied together in a show of unity against looters echoed in other parts of the country as ordinary Britons attempted to reclaim the streets.

Exhibit B:

"Why shouldn’t we defend our homes, businesses and places of worship? This is our area. There’s lots of talk about it kicking off here. But we’re ready for them."

Exhibit C:

Turkish shopkeepers who stood guard outside their businesses and chased off looters on Monday night have been hailed as heroes.

When the gangs of youngsters arrived to wreak havoc in Dalston, East London, on Monday night, the men, armed with baseball bats, snooker cues and even chair legs, sent them packing.

Why do I bring this up? See Amendment II, United States Constitution.

Edited on Aug 10, 2011 at 5:49pm
Cobalt Blue
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Cobalt Blue
flownover: How does one help an ally in distress ?

Of all the words I've read about the situation in England, these are among the most poignant and thought provoking.

Edited on Aug 10, 2011 at 6:05pm
Mel Foil
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etoiledunord

Jerusalem - Last night of the Proms 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTVwFgL8Y7w


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Margaret Ball

I hear Amazon UK is selling out of aluminum baseball bats.

M1919A4
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M1919A4

Here is an article by MAX HASTINGS, a noted British historian, about the situation.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2024284/UK-riots-2011-Liberal-dogma-spawned-generation-brutalised-youths.html

and another by THEODORE DALRYMPLE http://www.city-journal.org/2011/eon0810td.html.

Both are well worth reading.

There is nothing that we can do for Britain.  We need to spend our time and resources preparing for our own similar days of trial..

Conservative Episcopalian
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Conservative Episcopalian

To tell the truth, considering that England outlawed self-defense long ago, I'm mostly surprised to learn that the British police are allowing the shop keepers and regular citizens to use force to defend themselves. The British are reaping what they've sown as far as I'm concerned. I just hope it's not too late for us.

dogsbody
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dogsbody

If only we could do this again (from 1940):

Send a Gun to Defend a British Home

Wylee Coyote
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Wylee Coyote
Margaret Ball: I hear Amazon UK is selling out of aluminum baseball bats. · Aug 10 at 7:10pm

We have plenty here.  A new Lend-Lease Program, I say!


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