On the website of the New York Times at this hour:

ROSCOE, Ill. — The original tombstone of Lee Harvey Oswald may not rest here in peace much longer.

Not that it has rested anywhere for very long.

In the nearly 50 years since Mr. Oswald, the presumed assassin of President John F. Kennedy, was buried in Texas, the grave marker has been stolen from a cemetery, recovered by the police, hidden away for safekeeping, and passed around among distant relatives of the family that bought the home of Mr. Oswald’s mother after she died.

Lee Harvey Oswald, the presumed assassin?  After nearly five decades in which the evidence has been examined, sifted, scoured, and subjected to computer enhancement, and no even remotely credible evidence of any assassin other than Oswald has ever emerged?

Even as it remains utterly smug, the Times's journalistic standards continue their collapse.  The grey lady, a paranoid conspiracy monger.  Astounding.

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tabula rasa
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tabula rasa

They get all their information on this issue from Oliver Stone.

Edited on April 11, 2012 at 6:13pm

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Viator

This doesn't, of course,  keep the American nomenklatura from reading it religiously and basing their world upon the NYT's world view.

EJHill
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EJHill

Peter, I'm not sure too much has changed... It was 100 years ago this week...

Titanic
Roberto
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Roberto
Peter Robinson: Lee Harvey Oswald, the presumed assassin?  After nearly five decades in which the evidence has been examined, sifted, scoured, and subjected to computer enhancement, and no even remotely credible evidence of any assassin other than Oswald has ever emerged?· 16 minutes ago

Of course you would say that Mr. Robinson, but I've long suspected a multiple tie switcher such as yourself would be in on the conspiracy.

Basil Fawlty
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Basil Fawlty
EJHill: Peter, I'm not sure too much has changed... It was 100 years ago this week... · 6 minutes ago

That should be "allegedly hitting white iceberg."

Misthiocracy
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Misthiocracy

<devil's advocate mode = on>

Lee Harvey Oswald was never officially convicted of the crime in a court of law.  As such, one could argue it's appropriate to use modifiers like "presumed" or "alleged" or "accused".

Did the Warren Commission report have the same legal weight as a criminal conviction?

<devil's advocate mode = off>

Fredösphere
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Fredösphere

"Titanic Sinks; Iceberg Hardest Hit"

Albert Arthur
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Albert Arthur
EJHill: Peter, I'm not sure too much has changed... It was 100 years ago this week... · 24 minutes ago

Great image, EJ! Isn't it 100 years tonight? I could look it up on Wikipedia, but isn't it more fun, from time to time, to try to rely on one's own memory, vaguely recalled from history class?

Or from the movie, for some:

vynW8
EJHill
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EJHill
Albert Arthur Isn't it 100 years tonight?
Winslet

Sunday, the 15th will be the 100th anniversary of the sinking. I was going to ruminate on the movie in a post but what could I add that hasn't already be said? Eleven Oscars and none for acting... the epitome of the modern film.

Troy Senik, Ed.

"On the grassy knoll" indeed. To this day, if you visit the site of the JFK assassination in Dallas, you will find conspiracy theorists hanging out at the grassy knoll, eager to evangelize to whatever curious tourists come their way.

It doesn't help that the museum located on the floor of the former Texas School Book Depository from which Oswald shot has encased the window from which he fired in glass and stacked crates in front of it (to recreate its appearance on the day of the assassination). You can't walk through the place without hearing people murmuring, "Of course they don't want you to see the angle. He could never have pulled off the shot."

Edited on April 11, 2012 at 7:29pm
raycon and lindacon
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raycon

Misthiocracy: <devil's advocate mode = on>

Lee Harvey Oswald was never officially convicted of the crime in a court of law.  As such, one could argue it's appropriate to use modifiers like "presumed" or "alleged" or "accused".

Did the Warren Commission report have the same legal weight as a criminal conviction?

<devil's advocate mode = off> · 38 minutes ago

Was John Wilkes Booth, the alleged assassin of Abraham Lincoln, convicted in a court of law?

Israel P.
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Israel Pickholtz

Did the NYT use "alleged" when speaking of the Duke lacrosse team? (Going out so don't have time to look it up.)

Erik Larsen
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Erik Larsen

Presumed moon landing

Misthiocracy
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Misthiocracy

raycon

Misthiocracy: <devil's advocate mode = on>

Lee Harvey Oswald was never officially convicted of the crime in a court of law.  As such, one could argue it's appropriate to use modifiers like "presumed" or "alleged" or "accused".

Did the Warren Commission report have the same legal weight as a criminal conviction?

<devil's advocate mode = off> 

Was John Wilkes Booth, the alleged assassin of Abraham Lincoln, convicted in a court of law?

No, but his co-conspirators were.

Screaming "death to tyrants" before shooting the President in the head from close range in front of hundreds of eyewitnesses helps.

Still, you have a fair point.

Edited on April 11, 2012 at 9:17pm
Maggie Somavilla
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Maggie Somavilla

Was this the same New York Times that in the Alger Hiss obituary remarked that some people still thought he was guilty of espionage?

Misthiocracy
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Misthiocracy
Israel Pickholtz: Did the NYT use "alleged" when speaking of the Duke lacrosse team? (Going out so don't have time to look it up.)

The NYT probably did use the word "alleged" in that case.

However, remember that when the accused are villains of the left "alleged" means "guilty".  When the accused are friends of the left "alleged" means "innocent".

Instugator
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Instugator

This is allegedly from the same NYT that tells us "the science is settled" on Global Warming.

Mollie Hemingway, Ed.

Last week, the Associated Press wrote the following:

Al-Qaida has been blamed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, which destroyed the World Trade Center and killed thousands of people.

Has been blamed? Come again?

tabula rasa
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tabula rasa

Mollie Hemingway, Ed.: Last week, the Associated Press wrote the following:

Al-Qaida has been blamed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, which destroyed the World Trade Center and killed thousands of people.

Has been blamed? Come again? · 2 minutes ago

Others blamed:  Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld, Israel, the Israel Lobby, the CIA, the American Military, Seal Team 6,  Pope John Paul II, the Humane Society, Mormons, Lutherans, a cabal of Christians and Jews, a cabal of Christians, Jews, and Hindus,  ad nauseum. [I made a few up for dramatic purposes].

Is the earth still allegedly round?  Any person can see it's flat.

Edited on April 11, 2012 at 9:33pm
TucsonSean
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TucsonSean

Is their whole world-view that no cirminal act is true unless proven in a court oif law by a jury conviction?  If that is true, they should nevr question a death penalty conviction by a jury again -- because clearly the convict was the killer.

If they are afraid of a defamation claim -- someone needs to tell them both that truth is a defense and that a dead man has no reputation.  Besides, didn't the Warren Commission essentially make an official government finding which has at least as much conclusiveness as a jury conviction?

What's next -- "Adolf Hitler, the presumed killer of 6 million jews"?


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