The Fogels, cont'd
Bill McGurn ·
Mar 15, 2011 at 12:31pm
Earlier Claire linked to some of the gruesome photos of the bodies of the murdered Fogel family. Here is a link to a video that puts the photos with a story and a timeline, only 3 minutes or so long. I read on this website that this video was removed from YouTube and Facebook; I have no idea whether that is true. It does seem to me of a piece with much in life today, where in our culture we can show everything but the h ard truth.
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May '10
Re: The Fogels, cont'd
I cannot express my thoughts on the Itamar massacre on Ricochet without violating the Code of Conduct. Also, I cannot think about this atrocity in any way that does not violate the teachings of my Church.
I will say this, only to be honest: at this moment, I hate the Arabs. I am trying not to but, I cannot feel anything towards them except vicious rage.
May '10
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It would, as Harry Shearer would say, disrupt the "narrative."
May '10
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I'm just stunned and sick to my stomach. There's nothing that disturbs the soul like witnessing true evil. This makes me so sad to think of what these same evil people have done to that soldier Mollie posted about, Gilad Shalit. It's pure, pure evil and it exists. People should see it with their own eyes.
Feb '11
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Only the lowest of the low commit and celebrate the murder of a family. The killers and those celebrating may have human forms but they evil incarnate, hate filled,feral and savage.
May '10
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Thanks for the link. I hate being babied by news media.
May '10
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Has the old-skool newz even carried this?
Aug '10
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http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Editorials/Article.aspx?id=212306 Consider this editorial from the Jerusalem Post about the use of photos of the victims. I think they have a point.
May '10
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If it wasn't for the internet, most Americans would never see stuff like this.
I agree that such pictures should not be the norm in news coverage. But modern Americans are too sheltered from the world. It's difficult to understand how exceptional our lives are relative to the rest of the world. Voters indirectly affect foreign policy, and the brutality of our enemies cannot be fully comprehended by words alone.
And the writer of the article is wrong if he believes our enemies only use graphic pictures as propoganda in smear campaigns. They share videos of beheadings they themselves committed... and their compatriots cheer in support.
Feb '11
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I was just on vacation, and while gone experienced cable news for several hours each day, unlike at home where I do not have cable TV. On the plane today (go JetBlue!), I watched Fox news and CNN, and the stories being covered during my 2plus-hour flight were Japan/tsunami, our coming nuclear holocaust, Libya, and those poor schoolchildren in Wisconsin whose educators will cause them to stay after school to make up time. This is why I do not want cable. They all cover the same stories, all day, all the time. My father in law, with whom I was vacationing, purchased for my husband and me a New York Times, which we read on the drive from the airport (I like to read out loud to him while we drive). I saw no mention at all about the Fogel family. I did hear a CNN host asking the eyewitness to the earthquake/tsunami whether or not he had seen any bodies or dead people he could tell the viewers about. Nice, huh? Dead bodies from natural disaster, the newsies salivate. Dead Jewish babies from Islamic wackjobs, nothing to see here...
Aug '10
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Hi Aaron, I agree with the decision to use the pictures on this occasion, in particular when the media are swamped with Japan and briefly to a lesser extent, Lybia. But before I read the JPost piece I had my own troubling images of bescarved parents thrusting their children's bodies at the nearest camera,which may be part of their culture (and entitled to some respect as such) but is not part of ours( if I may be so presumptuous). What I would really like to see are pictures of the Gazan celebrations- the equivalent images from 9/11 are burned into my brain.
May '10
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Agreed. Those pictures are reminders that the problem is not merely some evil person but a corrupt culture.
Feb '11
Re: The Fogels, cont'd
Aaron Miller
Agreed. Those pictures are reminders that the problem is not merely some evil person but a corrupt culture. · Mar 15 at 7:28pm
You'd have to see them in very clear, defined context. Otherwise they could be celebrating soccer or identifying with Lybians. How would you know the difference?
The Fogel photographs, on the other hand, cannot possibly be misunderstood.
Edited on Mar 16, 2011 at 1:23amMar '11
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Last lines of the article by Caroline Glick (senior Middle East Fellow at the Center for Security Policy in Washington, DC and the deputy managing editor of The Jerusalem Post, www.carolineglick.com )
From the BBC to CNN the Fogels were not described as Israelis. They were a "settler family." Their murderers were "alleged terrorists."As far as the opinion makers of Europe and much of America are concerned, the Yoavs and Hadases and Elads of Israel have no right to live if they live in "a settlement."So too, they believe that Palestinians have a right to murder Israelis who serve in the IDF and who believe that Jews should be able to live freely wherever we want because this land belongs to us.Until these genteel Jew haters learn to think otherwise, Israel should neither seek nor care if they condemn this or any other act of Palestinian genocide. We shouldn't care about them at all.